Per Donna about Tyus

[hoopsupstate]

The real question for Tyus is not the NBA or come back to SU. Does he want to play in the G League next year. He will not be on an NBA roster if he’s drafted late first round or second. Top 10 picks usually make a roster, but the rest go to the G league. This is not a slap at Tyus, but just the way it works.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Dont know but if you find out why he left give me a holler. One of the great SU mysteries...

Here is my recollection: Dude had some issues about which the staff was well aware when recruited. (There was an telling quote by Troy Weaver, that Billy would either be Andre Miller or out of school.) Difficult stuff to deal with because part of the success of the medication can be thinking you don't need the medication. The staff tried to be humane about it, but NCAA beat the kid down at every turn.
Part of his "disappearing" was due to his illness.

 

[RandygoCuse]

Did she say why he wouldn't be interested in 'testing the waters?' What is there to lose? Is there a sense that if you do stick a toe in, and the response isn't 'consensus' toward going to the NBA, that you're actually hurting your stock or adding stigma? Like, if scouts deem you not quite ready, that impression would stick next year?

Haven't read the whole thread but I saw one article that yes, there may be a stigma that you can't get rid of if the scouts deem you not ready yet. Don't know if this is true, but my assumption is this is why he would be all in or out.

 

[Chip]

She was on axe and stated a few notable bullet points.

• She believes he’ll either be all in the draft or all out of the draft and won’t just test waters!
• He and his family value the potential to graduate in three years!!

• He will decide next week!!!

So what I’m hearing is that the hundy I dropped on the million to 1 odds of him staying 4 years isn’t going to pay out.

Onto the next retirement idea.

 

[Trueblue25]

Okay I'm gonna say 2 things that are both likely to be unpopular ... but what the heck.

I know people don't like to get their hopes up, but I know someone very close to the situation who has been telling me for a while now that Battle is definitely coming back.

It would be stupid to say anyone would turn down a 1st round NBA contract to play in college, and this person is not stupid, so I always took what he said to mean, Battle will definitely come back, if he's not a first round pick.

Its my own personal opinion that the closer NBA scouts look at Battle the more they will like him. So I have still been in the 60/40 Battle leaves, camp. Assuming he will be able to work his way into the 1st round.

If, however, Battle really isn't going to test the waters and submit himself to closer scrutiny. I'd say that's very good news for us fans. Its basically one less chance to move up the draft board.

Now, Battle doesnt need to test the waters to hear from NBA scouts. He may have been told something that makes him want to try his luck in the draft. But as of now Im switching my stance to the 60/40 he's staying camp.

The second thing people wont like to hear is that all this "SU keeps getting burned by players leaving early" talk is stupid as hell.

SU isnt getting burned by players leaving early, they are producing a lot of first round talent ... there's a HUGE difference. You're suppose to go to the NBA when you are good enough to be drafted in the first round.

Last year 140+ undergrads declared for the draft and only 20+ were first round pics (Im sure someone can look up the exact numbers). You know which schools are getting burned by players leaving early? The 100+ schools that had players leave who had no realistic shot of being drafted in round one. That never happens here.

Who in god’s name wouldnt be a fan of this post

 

[Cusefan0307]

Here is my recollection: Dude had some issues about which the staff was well aware when recruited. (There was an telling quote by Troy Weaver, that Billy would either be Andre Miller or out of school.) Difficult stuff to deal with because part of the success of the medication can be thinking you don't need the medication. The staff tried to be humane about it, but NCAA beat the kid down at every turn.
Part of his "disappearing" was due to his illness.

And they still tried to harass him after he entered the real world.

 

[RandygoCuse]

Not sure the age thing makes him go. If he's not a first round pick this year, than staying an extra year wouldn't really drop his stock. Now, he may want to decide he has a limited amount of time to make money and it's best to get started (a reasonable line of thought). But I don't think staying an extra year would hurt his draft status all that much.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The real question for Tyus is not the NBA or come back to SU. Does he want to play in the G League next year. He will not be on an NBA roster if he’s drafted late first round or second. Top 10 picks usually make a roster, but the rest go to the G league. This is not a slap at Tyus, but just the way it works.

Eh, I don't know about that. I think we're getting to the point where the majority of rookies are going to spend some time in the GLeague. It isn't the black mark people make it out to be here.

 

[Jasoncuse]

The graduating in three years plays a realllll big role imo since hes a fringe at best first rounder. In a perfect world he plays himself into a mid first round pick and graduates. Kill two birds with one stone. The all in and out tidbit is also in line with what cbs said

Perfect world indeed. Graduate in 3 years while also boosting his stock to solidify being a 1st rounder? That would be nice.

Unfortunately, he has so much to lose coming back, basketball-wise. Being a year older with no guarantee that his game will improve and become more efficient, while also being susceptible to injury is a tough possibility. Of course, the opposite holds true. He could come back, get that 3pt % back up, lead this team to a deep March run and find himself picked in the teens or early 20's. That's so risky, though.

I would hope an insurance policy that'd pay well in case of injury would be a huge part of coming back, too.

 

[Jasoncuse]

Depends on Golden

Golden isn't replacing Bazley's impact on the 2018-2019 team.

The better comparison would be 30+ minutes of Marek vs 30+ minutes of Bazley.

 

[OttoMets]

Did she say why he wouldn't be interested in 'testing the waters?' What is there to lose? Is there a sense that if you do stick a toe in, and the response isn't 'consensus' toward going to the NBA, that you're actually hurting your stock or adding stigma? Like, if scouts deem you not quite ready, that impression would stick next year?

Well if all that information is accurate, doing the draft evaluation thing this season if he's not all-in wouldn't further his family's goal of getting a degree in three years. Leaving campus periodically at this time of the semester for combine stuff is impossible to reconcile with coursework, especially in a real course of study like Tyus's.

But I think it's moot and he's all-in on the draft.

 

[Arangeman]

Other than injury which he would insure against in my opinion he doesnt have downside in coming back.

You can insure against a major injury. What if he gets a Moyer sprain and is at 75% all year and performs accordingly?

If not a first round pick, Battle seems like a perfect 2 way contract player. Gets some run in the NBA and spends some time in the G League learning the parent team’s system as he develops.

It used to be you went if you were lottery. It shifted to you go if you are guaranteed first round. Now it feels like if you’re even in the first round discussion, goodbye. It’s basically you go when you can.

 

[mayselc]

I think that Battle can improve in two major ways that will impress NBA scouts next year.
1) Work on his shooting stroke and raise his 3-point %
2) Rebound more, shooting guards in the NBA are expected to get boards. With less pressure to score, he should be able to get up to >5 boards per game vs. <3 least year.

I think he can still score 17+ per game but be more efficient and do more on the boards.

 

[br801]

It used to be you went if you were lottery. It shifted to you go if you are guaranteed first round. Now it feels like if you’re even in the first round discussion, goodbye. It’s basically you go when you can.

Yes, the playing field has shifted over the years. Yet many people continue to view the decisions these guys make as if it were 1992.

 

[orangepassion]

Golden isn't replacing Bazley's impact on the 2018-2019 team.

The better comparison would be 30+ minutes of Marek vs 30+ minutes of Bazley.

Not saying he's a better long-term prospect, but you could definitely make the argument that a bulked-up Dolezaj is better for us next year than Bazely.

 

[HOFCeluck]

The real question for Tyus is not the NBA or come back to SU. Does he want to play in the G League next year. He will not be on an NBA roster if he’s drafted late first round or second. Top 10 picks usually make a roster, but the rest go to the G league. This is not a slap at Tyus, but just the way it works.

If you’re drafted in the first round you get a guaranteed contract. Yeah you’re probably going to be spending time in the G League but I think this is only viewed as a disaster by message board posters.

 

[NineOneSeven]

If you’re drafted in the first round you get a guaranteed contract. Yeah you’re probably going to be spending time in the G League but I think this is only viewed as a disaster by message board posters.

Yes but think about this... a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BABY. Compare that to the G-league. Please.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Yes but think about this... a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BABY. Compare that to the G-league. Please.

Something something bus something something something Grand Rapids something something duke something national TV.

 

[OttoMets]

Did Edelin go AWOL in 04 and again in 05? Can't remember

As I remember it, he had a very good half-season in 2004 as a full-time starter but then he didn't show up for the home game against Virginia Tech. There was a lot of buzz that he'd be back for the road game at Providence a while later, and he did return off the bench. We lost and then he disappeared for the year.

Then he was, again going off an old memory, academically ineligible for the fall semester. He returned in January but was ineffective on the court. Then he pulled another no-show at the home game against St. John's and was sat out for the rest of the year, though he was on the bench through the Big East tournament. But he and the Wrights were suspended after that and didn't make the trip to Worcester. And then no more Billy.

Well that was a painful recap. But I guess we technically did carry over the Pace/McNamara/Forth/Nichols/Warrick starting lineup from 2004 to 2005. One more reason why that year was such a brutal gut-punch.

 

[cto]

As I remember it, he had a very good half-season in 2004 as a full-time starter but then he didn't show up for the home game against Virginia Tech. There was a lot of buzz that he'd be back for the road game at Providence a while later, and he did return off the bench. We lost and then he disappeared for the year.

Then he was, again going off an old memory, academically ineligible for the fall semester. He returned in January but was ineffective on the court. Then he pulled another no-show at the home game against St. John's and was sat out for the rest of the year, though he was on the bench through the Big East tournament. But he and the Wrights were suspended after that and didn't make the trip to Worcester. And then no more Billy.

Well that was a painful recap. But I guess we technically did carry over the Pace/McNamara/Forth/Nichols/Warrick starting lineup from 2004 to 2005. One more reason why that year was such a brutal gut-punch.

It is weird the things one remembers about that game in Worcester. Oddly, one thing I remember most clearly: on the night we lost to UVM (a 13th seed), Kansas lost to Bucknell (a 14th seed). Somehow that made me feel better because it meant we would not be called THE upset of the night.

 

[OttoMets]

It is weird the things one remembers about that game in Worcester. Oddly, one thing I remember most clearly: on the night we lost to UVM (a 13th seed), Kansas lost to Bucknell (a 14th seed). Somehow that made me feel better because it meant we would not be called THE upset of the night.

My whole winter had been spent waiting to go to St. Louis for the Final Four. I just remember sitting there catatonic while watching The Wedding Singer on TBS. Though the Bucknell news cheered me up a little bit.

 

[HOFCeluck]

It is weird the things one remembers about that game in Worcester. Oddly, one thing I remember most clearly: on the night we lost to UVM (a 13th seed), Kansas lost to Bucknell (a 14th seed). Somehow that made me feel better because it meant we would not be called THE upset of the night.

I remember thinking that as well at the time, and it may be my own bias, but I feel like it hasn’t played out that way.

 

[20Plus]

Golden isn't replacing Bazley's impact on the 2018-2019 team.

The better comparison would be 30+ minutes of Marek vs 30+ minutes of Bazley.

Not saying he was

I’m saying him and battle I would trade those two for Bazley

 

[orangecuse]

If you’re drafted in the first round you get a guaranteed contract. Yeah you’re probably going to be spending time in the G League but I think this is only viewed as a disaster by message board posters.

So, I guess JB posts here too? What makes the G league easy rationale, is the fact that the guys who get drafted anywhere in the 1st round get guaranteed coin. So, even if if the G league was a tavern, CYO type, one can easily rationalize that I'm making a couple or so mil when it's all said and done at worst, who wouldn't get on a bus for that.

 

[ORRange]

Not saying he's a better long-term prospect, but you could definitely make the argument that a bulked-up Dolezaj is better for us next year than Bazely.

I like Marek but I disagree. Marek is not better at any area of the game. Bazley is exactly what next years team needed. His ballhandling alone would have been HUGE.