Pete Thamel

[DilemaCuse]

Who?

I dont know? Anybody, anyone with a head coaching pulse

Give me Lon Kruger for Petes sake

 

[IthacaMatt]

100% right. This is shocking if true. Utterly shocking. JW needs to be called out for this level of absolute incompetence if this is the case. How do you not learn your lesson, or at least be cautious, after the Babers debacle?! ADJW might have just signed his own death sentence because this program will be dead by the time Autry get fired. God help us.

So many insiders have been saying roughly this for months.
5 year contract. Published reports said $2.5-3M per year. There is probably an escalator clause. We shouldn't be surprised, but it truly is about the worst contract ever.

 

[IthacaMatt]

So curious how much influence came from the BoT on Reds contract. I am a fan of what ADJW has done for the most part. I would be surprised if he was the guy who agreed to the guaranteed 5 years because for Reds experience, 5 years could not have been considered market. $3m yeah I can see that but 5 years guaranteed? That feels higher up in the food chain. Did the long term donors I have read about who back Red, were they influencing anything maybe? Seems off.

He's raised money, but he completely botched Boeheim's departure. He let Dino be mediocre and unengaged for a long time. And this Red hire is hot trash, if he gave him a 5 year contract.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

If fired then he’s owed money. Again all depends on how the contract is written. You can’t just verbally alter the terms if the contract language doesn’t allow for it.

We could fire for cause and do what UConn did to Ollie. Greasy yes but justified bc he's been so terrible.

 

[pwong]

We could fire for cause and do what UConn did to Ollie. Greasy yes but justified bc he's been so terrible.

Ollie won a lawsuit against Uconn for their “probable cause” firing

 

[IthacaMatt]

We could fire for cause and do what UConn did to Ollie. Greasy yes but justified bc he's been so terrible.

I thought they accused him of recruiting violations to get rid of him. Pretty risky strategy, and obviously was unsuccessful.

 

[orangecuse]

It’s not. But most people don’t listen

Well, it’s human nature, as ALL people hear what they want to hear, and see what they want to see.

 

[walsh2012]

Are we financially strong enough to bite that kind of bullet? Is it so impossible to believe the team could rebound next season?

 

[Janner]

So many insiders have been saying roughly this for months.
5 year contract. Published reports said $2.5-3M per year. There is probably an escalator clause. We shouldn't be surprised, but it truly is about the worst contract ever.

Giving a contract like that, to someone with no head coaching experience, is just dumb and poor business. Even Bobby Bonilla would be proud of what Red accomplished here

 

[Cusefan69]

He's raised money, but he completely botched Boeheim's departure. He let Dino be mediocre and unengaged for a long time. And this Red hire is hot trash, if he gave him a 5 year contract.

You are putting JB on Wildhack? I don't. Impossible situation and would bet JB has close friends in the BoT providing him "air support " for years. That was a unicorn situation with a Hall a famer who built it and almost burned it to the ground. In regards to Dino, 99% of the people on this board wanted him extended after the bowl game. The Red hire should have been a search. I don't like the contract but again I would wager BoT interests and other influences played a role in who got hired. Does ADJW have authority on certain things? Absolutely. You think he has control over things like Hall of Fame coaches with friends on the BoT and who then literally goes mental at the end? No way.

 

[Scooch]

So many insiders have been saying roughly this for months.
5 year contract. Published reports said $2.5-3M per year. There is probably an escalator clause. We shouldn't be surprised, but it truly is about the worst contract ever.

Actually, several people just today have said that the buyout is not nearly as big as some have suggested. I tend to believe them.

People love to claim that SU is cheap, and yet they’re eager to believe that they promised Red untold riches if he gets fired? Doesn’t add up, does it?

 

[Sherman20]

In theory, if the buyout this offseason is 9 million, does that mean the buyout next offseason is 6 million and we are supposed to believe that Syracuse will pay for that?

This is exactly what I was thinking. Utter malpractice if it’s true. Wildhack’s head needs to roll if he gave an unproven head coach a 5 year contract at $3 million per year. What a fool. I really hope this is just a bad rumor.

 

[Sherman20]

.

It’s not. But most people don’t listen

I hope you’re right.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Get rid of Wildhack

Can’t afford the buyout.
Not his fault. It’s NIL.
He just needs more talent.
Do Melo and Lala want him to stay?

 

[Newhouser]

You are putting JB on Wildhack? I don't. Impossible situation and would bet JB has close friends in the BoT providing him "air support " for years. That was a unicorn situation with a Hall a famer who built it and almost burned it to the ground. In regards to Dino, 99% of the people on this board wanted him extended after the bowl game. The Red hire should have been a search. I don't like the contract but again I would wager BoT interests and other influences played a role in who got hired. Does ADJW have authority on certain things? Absolutely. You think he has control over things like Hall of Fame coaches with friends on the BoT and who then literally goes mental at the end? No way.

So basically any decision that has worked out credit goes to Wildhack. Those that didn't, don't blame Wildhack, blame the BOT.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If fired then he’s owed money. Again all depends on how the contract is written. You can’t just verbally alter the terms if the contract language doesn’t allow for it.

If you don’t ever want to be a head coach again you can agree to the salary demands. If you believe in yourself you try to prove you can get the job done. If you get fired you’re done as a head coach at a power four conference.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I don't believe that for a second. I have to think if we could get out of this contract cheap right now, we would. Or at least be thinking about it. And we aren't hearing anything about anyone with any juice saying it is on the table.

Because outside of Red killing someone, they were never going to do that. JW was very clear with donors and anyone who would listen at beginning of season that he thought talent pool was empty when Red took over and he needed time. They thought he did a very good job last year. They’re high on the incoming class. And they know they needed to spend more on NIl.

So then do you change the goalposts and fire an alum for one bad portal (especially given all the Kiyan stuff). We got more buzz from alums and SU bball fans for that commitment than anything else in the past five years. I know that overlooks everything else we see in games but that is the reality.

I know it’s controversial but this isn’t a money decision. It’s a sticking by what we told Red and what the expectations were. We’re just not a program that flips on coaches like that.

The expectations next year are totally different.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

if we lose out on some of the great up and coming options to give one more year…

There are always up and comers.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

They raised a million yesterday alone from one person. I was called yesterday afternoon to donate myself.

Humble brag. Well done.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Because outside of Red killing someone, they were never going to do that. JW was very clear with donors and anyone who would listen at beginning of season that he thought talent pool was empty when Red took over and he needed time. They thought he did a very good job last year. They’re high on the incoming class. And they know they needed to spend more on NIl.

So then do you change the goalposts and fire an alum for one bad portal (especially given all the Kiyan stuff). We got more buzz from alums and SU bball fans for that commitment than anything else in the past five years. I know that overlooks everything else we see in games but that is the reality.

I know it’s controversial but this isn’t a money decision. It’s a sticking by what we told Red and what the expectations were. We’re just not a program that flips on coaches like that.

The expectations next year are totally different.

Saying the talent was dry is fine, but when you lose Edwards, Girard, Mintz, and Brown because we were told they all weren’t good enough to replace them with players with worse production fans lose patience quickly. Every replacement we have signed in the portal has been a step down from the previous guy.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Saying the talent was dry is fine, but when you lose Edwards, Girard, Mintz, and Brown because we were told they all weren’t good enough to replace them with players with worse production fans lose patience quickly. Every replacement we have signed in the portal has been a step down from the previous guy.

Right. I don’t disagree. The portal was awful. But that means firing him for one bad offseason. He knew he screwed that up and needed a GM type. He got one. If he screws up again, there’s no excuse and he’s gone.

 

[Fly Rodder]

JW was very clear with donors and anyone who would listen at beginning of season that he thought talent pool was empty when Red took over and he needed time. They thought he did a very good job last year. They’re high on the incoming class. And they know they needed to spend more on NIl.

Beginning of this season? That’s not what filtered down to gen pop. I don’t dispute what you’ve been told, I don’t buy it as excuse.

Last season was they’re not Red’s players. This season was. Still the blow out losses and strugglefest with lower D1 programs is not good. Two seasons with awful defenses. Commitments to players who aren’t good enough. There’s too much contradiction floating around to think this was all part of some plan, or at worst, expected bumps in the road. It’s been a mess for a long time.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Because outside of Red killing someone, they were never going to do that. JW was very clear with donors and anyone who would listen at beginning of season that he thought talent pool was empty when Red took over and he needed time. They thought he did a very good job last year. They’re high on the incoming class. And they know they needed to spend more on NIl.

So then do you change the goalposts and fire an alum for one bad portal (especially given all the Kiyan stuff). We got more buzz from alums and SU bball fans for that commitment than anything else in the past five years. I know that overlooks everything else we see in games but that is the reality.

I know it’s controversial but this isn’t a money decision. It’s a sticking by what we told Red and what the expectations were. We’re just not a program that flips on coaches like that.

The expectations next year are totally different.

I don't believe they thought the talent pool was empty when he took over in 23. He inherited JBs best recruiting class ever for their sophomore year. It was year 2 of the 2 year plan w them that includes not using the portal to recruit over them when they were freshman. Then add JJ, Chance, Mcloud, Cuffe. Losing Girard was thought no big deal, losing Edwards did sting a bit though.

 

[elimunelson]

I’m not challenging anyone, but I’m also very skeptical that there’s a buyout that high. It makes no sense.

Never underestimate the power of Syracuse narratives

We have a terrible HC. Good programs cut it off. We are a good program in search of a hard deciskon maker at the BOT and Ad

This is a bc move w Earl Grant. Bc will be in front of us for a coach. Since we are apparently broke and can’t hire top tier and can’t fire a guy WAYYYY over his head

 

[elimunelson]

The football team is packing the house and going to bowl games because of JW. His job is safer than most of ours.

Well President boeheim should
Be impeached if this was his decision.

I’m beyond angry at how laissez we are vs a Kentucky. Blue blood my @ss