I don't understand the grouping of those players. What unifies those players other than they were good (and some much better than others). Coleman is an extremely different player than Wes Johnson or Joseph, for example.
I already gave my criteria. Versatility is the key for both of us. Freeman fits that criteria. All of those guys are that. They can score in a variety of ways. And they can all create their own shot.
Coleman and Owens established the definition of classic SU forward. They were both do it all players. Others have followed in similar molds but not all to the same caliber as the first two. Probably only Melo lives up to that original standard with Wallace being close as a senior.
We've never had a player like DC or Melo ever again. Not even close. Not just in overall ability but skillset, play style, etc. Don't understand how they could be described as classic mold of Syracuse forwards for that reason
Differentiating between Coleman and Wes Johnson is splitting hairs? They are night and day different players.
You're confusing level of talent with style of play. We have had lots of forwards that have played inside and outside, rebounded, and played solid defense. If you haven't seen that in other guys, you weren't watching.
You're completely missing the point.
No brother. I'm not. You think DC's style of play is similar to Johnson, or Joseph, or Fair, or Melo? That's crazy -- DC was a completely different player
Versatility is the crux? That's such a nebulous term, we could compare whales to cats in such a manner. DC was not a similar player to Melo, nor were either similar to Wes Johnson, Joseph, etc
You're cherry picking players to compare and being too rigid when talking about style of play. The key characteristics are long versatile players. You keep mentioning DC and Melo, and even they had different styles but both fit the definition of typical Syracuse forward.
The point is the phrase “classic Syracuse forward” is meaningless.
Your list is so catch-all that it is basically useless other than as a list of 'these were good Syracuse forwards'. It doesn't describe a style of player whatsoever, other than in the vaguest of generalities. When I think 'classic Syracuse forward', I think 'style of forward that we often fielded'. And yes, in a general sense! I think it's appropriate to compare the style of Kris Joseph to cj fair. It's not appropriate to compare DC to Melo
Yep. Good Syracuse forwards with versatile skillsets. None of those guys were one trick ponies. Nobody was just a post up guy or just a spot up shooter or someone that couldn't handle the ball. So, yeah, that's the mold.
That is truly the kind of player Jim recruited starting with Louis Orr.
That's both contradictory and bizarre.
Coleman was hyped up bye Barkley and Karl Malone as a guy that could have been the best power forward ever if he had work ethic. Damn shame he didnt grab the league bye the balls. Still never forget the day he blocked a shot as a freshman and it looked as if he was grabbing a rebound. lol. It was amazing.
DC best player I’ve ever seen in Cuse uniform. Pearl most exciting, hand down. Melo won us a championship. Greatest one year ever. DC, best alla round player could do everything was a bball savant. I did not see Dave bing play. Just saw big Rosie the other day at Kendall HS I was reffing a bball game. Man he still looks good.
I know what you are saying. The typical Syracuse forward that the talking heads are referring to is a rangy, mobile (skinny!), versatile player with good height. They are not bangers. They aren't getting interest from the football team. They can cover a lot of ground on D, can often shoot it well for a player of their size and have great athleticism. I think CJ Fair, Demetris Nichols, Donte Greene, Kris Joseph, Wes Johnson.
