Class of 2024 PF Donnie Freeman (MD / IMG) COMMITTED & SIGNED TO SYRACUSE (5/11/23)

[Cuse2023]

OK, here is a picture of Donnie from a year ago before he transferred to IMG. Look at his freaking calves, ok?

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Let's compare Kevin Durant. This picture of Kevin Durant shows him wearing protective padding on his legs. And look how damn skinny his calves are:

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Donnie is not any more of a 4 than Kevin Durant is. Yes, of course he's the tallest guy on his HS team, so they play him at center. He's not a center in college, and he's a small forward in the NBA. He will never be strong enough in his lower body to be an NBA 4 or 5.

Do any of you watch what players look like physically in the NBA? Devin Booker is a 6-7, 225 or so shooting guard. Very physical, talented player. Or think of Jayson Tatum of the Celtics, another 6-7 swingman who is a stud athlete. Booker outweighs Freeman by 30-40 pounds.

Freeman is a HS 5, College 4 evolving into a 3 (like Billy Owens did), and an NBA 3. That's his player development arc.

First off your comparing a junior in high school to NBA veterans. Next I would challenge you to actually watch an NBA game because you clearly do not. Let me know what you see from the PF position. You will not see two big men on the floor together. You don't need to be physically dominant to play the position in todays NBA. Donnie is 6-9, if you were to throw him out there with a guy who's 6-10 and a 7 footer they would get eaten alive by the guard play. Also just want to put it out there that you are absolutely out of your mind if you think that Devin Booker is 6-7.

 

[Cuse99&01]

First off your comparing a junior in high school to NBA veterans. Next I would challenge you to actually watch an NBA game because you clearly do not. Let me know what you see from the PF position. You will not see two big men on the floor together. You don't need to be physically dominant to play the position in todays NBA. Donnie is 6-9, if you were to throw him out there with a guy who's 6-10 and a 7 footer they would get eaten alive by the guard play. Also just want to put it out there that you are absolutely out of your mind if you think that Devin Booker is 6-7.

Booker is 6-6 at most. He also isn’t anywhere near 225lbs. Every reference has him around 205.

 

[orangefog]

OK, here is a picture of Donnie from a year ago before he transferred to IMG. Look at his freaking calves, ok?

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Let's compare Kevin Durant. This picture of Kevin Durant shows him wearing protective padding on his legs. And look how damn skinny his calves are:

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Donnie is not any more of a 4 than Kevin Durant is. Yes, of course he's the tallest guy on his HS team, so they play him at center. He's not a center in college, and he's a small forward in the NBA. He will never be strong enough in his lower body to be an NBA 4 or 5.

Do any of you watch what players look like physically in the NBA? Devin Booker is a 6-7, 225 or so shooting guard. Very physical, talented player. Or think of Jayson Tatum of the Celtics, another 6-7 swingman who is a stud athlete. Booker outweighs Freeman by 30-40 pounds.

Freeman is a HS 5, College 4 evolving into a 3 (like Billy Owens did), and an NBA 3. That's his player development arc.

I know people are going to come after you for the comparison regarding the legs, but it is valid. Donnie is definitely getting more strength and adding weight, moreso than Durant has, at least in the shoulders. But, he is likely to have thin legs for the duration of his career. But, especially in college, he can easily play the 4. NBA, he may be a 3 depending on his shooting stroke. We'll see what weight he comes in at. He went to the perfect school to develop his body. I am hoping he can come in at 220, he can compete at the 4 in college at that weight. Hopefully our strength program has improved and he can add weight while here, whether it is a year, 2 or 3.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You’re comparing a 17 year old to 25-28 year olds. I hope the 25-28 year old is bigger.

Freeman is going to be bigger than both those guys. He’s 6’9” and he’s playing the 4 here. That’s the plan.

Sorry, but I have never heard of a McDonald's AA in the last 20 years who expected to spend 4 years in college. I think he will be a very solid rotation forward next year - probably top 3 in minutes among the forwards. I think in year 2, his desire would be to be our starting SF, showing he can hit 3s and getting to the league.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I know people are going to come after you for the comparison regarding the legs, but it is valid. Donnie is definitely getting more strength and adding weight, moreso than Durant has, at least in the shoulders. But, he is likely to have thin legs for the duration of his career. But, especially in college, he can easily play the 4. NBA, he may be a 3 depending on his shooting stroke. We'll see what weight he comes in at. He went to the perfect school to develop his body. I am hoping he can come in at 220, he can compete at the 4 in college at that weight. Hopefully our strength program has improved and he can add weight while here, whether it is a year, 2 or 3.

Donnie only weighs 190 right now. Kevin Durant, as a 35 year old professional, with 15 years of NBA weight and fitness training, still only weighs 240. Donnie is not going to add 30 pounds in 1 year, or he's going to lose his speed and endurance. It's too much, too soon.

Billy Owens weighed 220. Carmelo was 190 in HS, but was 210 by the time he got on campus. We have to see how Donnie works on his body, but it's asking a lot for him to change it so much in so little time.

 

[SP_Gilbs]

Donnie only weighs 190 right now. Kevin Durant, as a 35 year old professional, with 15 years of NBA weight and fitness training, still only weighs 240. Donnie is not going to add 30 pounds in 1 year, or he's going to lose his speed and endurance. It's too much, too soon.

Billy Owens weighed 220. Carmelo was 190 in HS, but was 210 by the time he got on campus. We have to see how Donnie works on his body, but it's asking a lot for him to change it so much in so little time.

Donnie is up to 205 now. The 190 was prior to him arriving at IMG. He’s noticeably bigger in his upper body since the summer but his legs are still pretty skinny. Don’t think he’s ever gonna have a huge lower body but he should be fine at the college level if he gets to 215-220 by next year.

 

[Cuse99&01]

Donnie only weighs 190 right now. Kevin Durant, as a 35 year old professional, with 15 years of NBA weight and fitness training, still only weighs 240. Donnie is not going to add 30 pounds in 1 year, or he's going to lose his speed and endurance. It's too much, too soon.

Billy Owens weighed 220. Carmelo was 190 in HS, but was 210 by the time he got on campus. We have to see how Donnie works on his body, but it's asking a lot for him to change it so much in so little time.

If you believe Durant weighs 240lbs, I have a bridge to sell you. I know that some sites list him at 240 but I’m not believing it. No way he weighs the same as Giannis and is only 10lbs less than LeBron.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Sorry, but I have never heard of a McDonald's AA in the last 20 years who expected to spend 4 years in college. I think he will be a very solid rotation forward next year - probably top 3 in minutes among the forwards. I think in year 2, his desire would be to be our starting SF, showing he can hit 3s and getting to the league.

He is better than every forward we have on the roster.

 

[IthacaMatt]

If you believe Durant weighs 240lbs, I have a bridge to sell you. I know that some sites list him at 240 but I’m not believing it. No way he weighs the same as Giannis and is only 10lbs less than LeBron.

I agree, he looks more like 220, but guys of a certain age tend to add weight. Durant is 35 years old. LeBron probably weighs 240 by now, if not more.

 

[Cuse99&01]

He is better than every forward we have on the roster.

Agree. But if we aren’t including Brown in with the forwards that isn’t that hard to do.

 

[MSOrange]

Sorry, but I have never heard of a McDonald's AA in the last 20 years who expected to spend 4 years in college. I think he will be a very solid rotation forward next year - probably top 3 in minutes among the forwards. I think in year 2, his desire would be to be our starting SF, showing he can hit 3s and getting to the league.

The 4 as in power forward, not 4 years.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Im really excited about Donnie and Moore for that matter, but we need to temper expectations that these guys are gonna be saviors or Donnie being a 1 and done. We remember the Benny hype and can also look to USC this year that was thought to be a dark horse contender with adding Bronny and Isiah Collier who is #1 overall pick talent (aware that he is hurt right now). USC is 8-13 and 2-8 in conference.

There's no guarantees until we see them on the Dome floor and how all the parts fit. I attended Melo's first exhibition when he had 37, that told me they had something special with him but we really don't know until we see them in uniform in a game situation.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Im really excited about Donnie and Moore for that matter, but we need to temper expectations that these guys are gonna be saviors or Donnie being a 1 and done. We remember the Benny hype and can also look to USC this year that was thought to be a dark horse contender with adding Bronny and Isiah Collier who is #1 overall pick talent (aware that he is hurt right now). USC is 8-13 and 2-8 in conference.

There's no guarantees until we see them on the Dome floor and how all the parts fit. I attended Melo's first exhibition when he had 37, that told me they had something special with him but we really don't know until we see them in uniform in a game situation.

Donnie won't be a savior, but I think he'll probably play 25 minutes a game as part of a 3 or 4 man rotation at forward. How much Choppa Moore plays will depend on his 3 point shooting. He has some similarities in his game to how Judah plays.

 

[Giants1973]

If Judah is st

Donnie won't be a savior, but I think he'll probably play 25 minutes a game as part of a 3 or 4 man rotation at forward. How much Choppa Moore plays will depend on his 3 point shooting. He has some similarities in his game to how Judah plays.

Donnie won't be a savior, but I think he'll probably play 25 minutes a game as part of a 3 or 4 man rotation at forward. How much Choppa Moore plays will depend on his 3 point shooting. He has some similarities in his game to how Judah plays

 

[Giants1973]

If Judah is Still at Cuse.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Donnie won't be a savior, but I think he'll probably play 25 minutes a game as part of a 3 or 4 man rotation at forward. How much Choppa Moore plays will depend on his 3 point shooting. He has some similarities in his game to how Judah plays.

I don’t see much of a similarity at all. Sure, Moore attacks the basket, but he‘s also a great three point shooter and has a great mid range jumper off the bounce. We currently have no one, except maybe a little JJ that can do that.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don’t see much of a similarity at all. Sure, Moore attacks the basket, but he‘s also a great three point shooter and has a great mid range jumper off the bounce. We currently have no one, except maybe a little JJ that can do that.

Do you notice how they use a back-and-forth swaying kind of move to get the defender off balance before they drive? That aspect is very similar, if you ask me.

Chopper has shot better than Judah against a lower level of competition. There is usually a bit of a drop off as players move up a level and play against bigger, older defenders.

 

[orangefog]

Do you notice how they use a back-and-forth swaying kind of move to get the defender off balance before they drive? That aspect is very similar, if you ask me.

Chopper has shot better than Judah against a lower level of competition. There is usually a bit of a drop off as players move up a level and play against bigger, older defenders.

Moore has great form on his shot. I wouldn't be surprised if he is our best shooter next year, even as a freshman. Of course, that is dependent upon his form not changing. Somehow, we seem to have a way of screwing up player's shooting form.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Donnie won't be a savior, but I think he'll probably play 25 minutes a game as part of a 3 or 4 man rotation at forward. How much Choppa Moore plays will depend on his 3 point shooting. He has some similarities in his game to how Judah plays.

Thats a reasonable take for Freeman. Not sure on Moore being similar to Judah, Judah wants the ball in his hands and attacks the paint, I see more of scorer/shooter with Moore.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Moore has great form on his shot. I wouldn't be surprised if he is our best shooter next year, even as a freshman. Of course, that is dependent upon his form not changing. Somehow, we seem to have a way of screwing up player's shooting form.

Well, we seem to have fixed JJ's problem. GMac had pretty excellent form, and has tutored some very good shooters.

 

[orangefog]

Well, we seem to have fixed JJ's problem. GMac had pretty excellent form, and has tutored some very good shooters.

I don't think JJ is quite fixed. But, he's getting there. I think Copeland's form is getting better. But, whoever told JT that he should shoot from way over his head needs to smacked. Benny has always had a weird elbow thing. Judah needs quite a bit of work on his form.

 

[IthacaMatt]

First off your comparing a junior in high school to NBA veterans. Next I would challenge you to actually watch an NBA game because you clearly do not. Let me know what you see from the PF position. You will not see two big men on the floor together. You don't need to be physically dominant to play the position in todays NBA. Donnie is 6-9, if you were to throw him out there with a guy who's 6-10 and a 7 footer they would get eaten alive by the guard play. Also just want to put it out there that you are absolutely out of your mind if you think that Devin Booker is 6-7.

I watch the Knicks and the "game of the night" for at least 20-30 minutes every night. The Knicks play Hartenstein and Randle, 2 bigs. Boston plays Porzingas and Horford. The Bucks play Giannis and Middleton. The Timberwolves play Towns and Gobert. What are you talking about, that NBA teams don't play 2 big anymore?

OK, Booker is "only" 6-6, not 6-7, and weighs 205, not 220.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't think JJ is quite fixed. But, he's getting there. I think Copeland's form is getting better. But, whoever told JT that he should shoot from way over his head needs to smacked. Benny has always had a weird elbow thing. Judah needs quite a bit of work on his form.

Well, at least the hitch is gone, and he's been shooting close to 40% from three for the last month. That's great progress.

 

[Domedog84]

 

[littlereg]

Kevin Durant has averaged like 7-8 boards and 1-1.5 blocks a game his entire career i dont know why we’re acting like he’s some useless bum down there with the trees