Class of 2023 PF Joseph "JP" Estrella (ME / Brewster) Offered

[SUOrangeSU]

I’ll assume you don’t know.

come on. you know I'm connected to the program

 

[SUOrangeSU]

Boeheim said in an interview that the 2022 recruits didn't really ask about NIL, but going forward NIL will have to be a major topic of discussion with recruits. I was surprised to hear the 2022 guys didn't focus on NIL. I suppose it really started boiling over really late in 2022 recruitment, and after many of them committed. Judah had a prime opportunity to be recruited on NIL due to the time in which he became available, but apparently that wasn't his focus. Obviously the transfer portal became a NIL circus. I'm sure 2023 guys are drilling down on NIL opportunities.

Also, Boeheim just talks.
If we think one of the most popular players SU has ever had with the biggest last name (Buddy), in his senior year, ONLY made $100k, that's not a good look.

 

[rrlbees]

come on. you know I'm connected to the program

So the article I posted with JW and the realities of the process our collective has gone through are all lies? And I know plenty of people connected to the program and the Athletic Dept.

 

[rrlbees]

Also, Boeheim just talks.
If we think one of the most popular players SU has ever had with the biggest last name (Buddy), in his senior year, ONLY made $100k, that's not a good look.

So why didn’t more people buck up? SU doesn’t want them to? Btw, outside of the few real big illegal deals, most players nil is driven by their social media followings.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

So why didn’t more people buck up? SU doesn’t want them to? Btw, outside of the few real big illegal deals, most players nil is driven by their social media followings.

so the #1 class in football for Texas A&M...the NIL deals for those players were primarily driven by social media followings???? So by your logic, they would have still got those if they went to other schools. My guy, cmon

 

[pearl31]

so the #1 class in football for Texas A&M...the NIL deals for those players were primarily driven by social media followings???? So by your logic, they would have still got those if they went to other schools. My guy, cmon

ah so SU basketball should go sec football, cool

 

[littlereg]

HHAHAHAHAHSHA got my comedy for the day.

 

[rrlbees]

so the #1 class in football for Texas A&M...the NIL deals for those players were primarily driven by social media followings???? So by your logic, they would have still got those if they went to other schools. My guy, cmon

No I didn’t say all and I didn’t say deals that are illegal. What is supposed to be NIL like buddy did.

 

[rrlbees]

so the #1 class in football for Texas A&M...the NIL deals for those players were primarily driven by social media followings???? So by your logic, they would have still got those if they went to other schools. My guy, cmon

And forget my sources and forget yours. Just read the article/interview with JW and tell me if he’s lying.

 

[JarHeadJim]

so the #1 class in football for Texas A&M...the NIL deals for those players were primarily driven by social media followings???? So by your logic, they would have still got those if they went to other schools. My guy, cmon

Texas A&M Literally has ATM on the side of their helmets!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

In general, people in the northeast don't care about college sports, and certainly not enough to pay kids hundreds of thousands to appear in commercials,etc., with negligible ROI. The big NIL is being driven by the jock sniffers with big bucks who no longer have to worry about the NCAA.

 

[pwong]

And forget my sources and forget yours. Just read the article/interview with JW and tell me if he’s lying.

It's a little less black and white than "did our AD lie in an article with the local newspaper". Syracuse is behind in NIL and Syracuse is looking to create collectives can both be true. However, until we see new NIL deals in place, any of the financials, and/or recruiting (HS and Portal) improves, public perception will be that Syracuse continues to be behind in the NIL space (even with all the marketing spin they try to put on it).

Our best player got $100k in a year, the 2nd highest reported was $30k. No name players are getting up to 4x the amount plus benefits. Right now, it doesn't matter if they are "legal" or "illegal" deals since there is no current enforcement outside of schools telling on themselves. Once there is actual enforcement, that will be a different story.

 

[DilemaCuse]

In general, people in the northeast don't care about college sports, and certainly not enough to pay kids hundreds of thousands to appear in commercials,etc., with negligible ROI. The big NIL is being driven by the jock sniffers with big bucks who no longer have to worry about the NCAA.

Exactly!, Alums of NE schools residing in the NE care more about NFL, MLB, NBA teams in their region

If Alums of schools in the northeast cared, the Ivy league schools would be a factor seeing how those alums would have big pockets

 

[SUOrangeSU]

ah so SU basketball should go sec football, cool

no no no. I'm just stating a point that...NIL is not "mostly" based on social media following. Boosters are clearly handing off/giving low hanging fruit deals to student athletes to come, not based on their social media following.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

It's a little less black and white than "did our AD lie in an article with the local newspaper". Syracuse is behind in NIL and Syracuse is looking to create collectives can both be true. However, until we see new NIL deals in place, any of the financials, and/or recruiting (HS and Portal) improves, public perception will be that Syracuse continues to be behind in the NIL space (even with all the marketing spin they try to put on it).

Our best player got $100k in a year, the 2nd highest reported was $30k. No name players are getting up to 4x the amount plus benefits. Right now, it doesn't matter if they are "legal" or "illegal" deals since there is no current enforcement outside of schools telling on themselves. Once there is actual enforcement, that will be a different story.

Bingo

 

[SUOrangeSU]

Texas A&M Literally has ATM on the side of their helmets!

Yes I understand that, hence with Alabama is all up in arms about being...gosh the #2 class...and comparing college football vs college bball is apples to oranges...probably a poor comparison on my end but I was just stating a point that it isn't based on social media following on the recruits for NIL deals.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

But back on JP, the Duke and KU offers...huge but the playing time...

 

[Niastri]

Dont disagree with what your saying but sometimes the staffs hands are tied by the compliance department.

I am reading that depending on the school, compliance departments are interpreting the vague rules differently from others.

Until I see enforcement, I don't see why you would have a strict compliance department for this new era of college sports.

Besides which, even blatant abuse of the loopholes in the rules will be treated with a clarification memo sent to all teams which will allow them to stop cheating prior to enforcement. There is no reason to be worrying about the NCAA until they actually tell you ahead of time that you can't do something.

 

[Niastri]

Yes I understand that, hence with Alabama is all up in arms about being...gosh the #2 class...and comparing college football vs college bball is apples to oranges...probably a poor comparison on my end but I was just stating a point that it isn't based on social media following on the recruits for NIL deals.

These poor kids are going to play four years in the SEC, get drafted by the NFL and then take pay cuts as they deal with the realities of a salary cap for the first time. So sad for them.

 

[rrlbees]

It's a little less black and white than "did our AD lie in an article with the local newspaper". Syracuse is behind in NIL and Syracuse is looking to create collectives can both be true. However, until we see new NIL deals in place, any of the financials, and/or recruiting (HS and Portal) improves, public perception will be that Syracuse continues to be behind in the NIL space (even with all the marketing spin they try to put on it).

Our best player got $100k in a year, the 2nd highest reported was $30k. No name players are getting up to 4x the amount plus benefits. Right now, it doesn't matter if they are "legal" or "illegal" deals since there is no current enforcement outside of schools telling on themselves. Once there is actual enforcement, that will be a different story.

You make it sound like all SU has to do is snap their fingers and people will suddenly throw around millions. You do realize you need the side of the equation that provides the millions. Capt Tuttle nailed it. If you offered up a million dollars for player NIL you think SU would say no thanks?

 

[rrlbees]

no no no. I'm just stating a point that...NIL is not "mostly" based on social media following. Boosters are clearly handing off/giving low hanging fruit deals to student athletes to come, not based on their social media following.

So your gonna jump on the social media comment? You’ve gone away from your original point and complaint. Good for you.

 

[pwong]

You make it sound like all SU has to do is snap their fingers and people will suddenly throw around millions. You do realize you need the side of the equation that provides the millions. Capt Tuttle nailed it. If you offered up a million dollars for player NIL you think SU would say no thanks?

In your eyes, who's responsibility is it find more NIL $$$ for SU athletes? Is it the school, is it the coaches, is it agents, or is it suppose to be just all come organically? I don't think it's snap your fingers and there will be $$$ but there needs to be work involved and a good product on the court.

 

[GooseMutt]

These poor kids are going to play four years in the SEC, get drafted by the NFL and then take pay cuts as they deal with the realities of a salary cap for the first time. So sad for them.

A few yes most of of course them no

 

[SUOrangeSU]

So your gonna jump on the social media comment? You’ve gone away from your original point and complaint. Good for you.

pwong nailed it above. You are getting caught up in the marketing spin that Syracuse is trying to portray to the outside world that they are "on top of it" and working this NIL angle and they really aren't. I'm not saying the School needs Adam W to sit outside visits with a bag but there's ALOT of things that other schools are doing including college bball programs that we aren't. It's coming from JB on down. He's not interested in the NIL side of the house, so it's not going to be a pressing thing until he's gone. Our big lacrosse recruit is going to be the biggest NIL earner from the school (maybe sans Tucker this year), think that's a good look for our bball program?

You said the social media comment, not me.

 

[rrlbees]

pwong nailed it above. You are getting caught up in the marketing spin that Syracuse is trying to portray to the outside world that they are "on top of it" and working this NIL angle and they really aren't. I'm not saying the School needs Adam W to sit outside visits with a bag but there's ALOT of things that other schools are doing including college bball programs that we aren't. It's coming from JB on down. He's not interested in the NIL side of the house, so it's not going to be a pressing thing until he's gone. Our big lacrosse recruit is going to be the biggest NIL earner from the school (maybe sans Tucker this year), think that's a good look for our bball program?

You said the social media comment, not me.

So what should SU be doing that they aren’t? Did you read the full article I posted? Marketing spin? Lol. I guess johns meetings with businesses and individuals didn’t happen. It’s not just words. And while we’re small potatoes SU gave us all the support we needed to compliantly get through the process. But it’s all marketing spin and didn’t happen. Have you thought about starting a collective? With your contacts you might be able to reach out to significant boosters. You don’t need anyones permission. You just have to be complainant and SU will help you with that. We’ll even give you suggestions we learned as we went through it.

And the social media comment is a real thing for many of not lost athletes. Is it a thing for the A&M kids? No. The $8m kid? No. The $3m transfer? No. The Ruiz kids in Miami? No. But those are the outliers. When NIL got passed and became a thing there was article after article about social media and the role it would play. The Alabama QB was identified as someone with a zillion followers. The Paige girl at UConn. Who’s a business gonna want come and sign autographs? The kid with 100 followers or 5,000? People tossing around millions don’t care about social media. They are doing it for different reasons.