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Class of 2022 PG JJ Starling (Baldwinsville / La Lumiere) Offered

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This issue really is perplexing. It's a head scratcher to me why a kid wouldn't jump on the opportunity to be part of a solid team led by a hall of fame coach and be the focal point versus going to a school where he may have limited playing time and certainly not the first option. He has very little to risk with the first option but the second, who knows, could land him on the bench more than the court.

These are kids/young men we're talking about so is it ego? Is it validation that they've arrived and are one of the best in the country if they go to a blue blood? Is it the cash? Have they bought into the notion that going to a Duke or Kentucky sets them up for the NBA (which is bunk - it's their talent that sets them up). I really don't know.

I do think that getting an offer from Duke or Kentucky is as impressive as you can get. If you get an offer from Duke, that means you can essentially go to any school of your choosing (for the most part). If my son were at that level, I can see wanting to get an offer from one of these schools; however, I'm not so sure that's where he would go, particularly if that school is coached by some guy named Scheyer and playing time is very much unknown.
 
two3zone said:
Being the focal point here or playing 20 at a Duke or Kentucky doesn’t seem to matter when it comes to the draft.

Does Tyus Battle get drafted if he goes to Michigan? I don’t know, doesn’t seem like he blew his draft stock by his play here but playing here very well could have.

All I’m saying is the arguments of “he won’t play there” and he should come here is a loser attitude and it shows where we are.
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It’s been said hundreds of times. If a kid is meant for the NBA the league will find him whether it’s Duke, Cuse, or Buffalo. Obviously most kids want to go to a school that has national name recognition and will be on TV.

it’s not a loser attitude at all, I still don’t even get your point. It’s not just Duke - JJ likely gets more playing time (based on individual roster construction obviously) at 99% of schools in America than he would at Duke. He most likely gets more PT at UVA, or OSU, etc than he would at Duke. It has nothing to do with a “loser attitude”

What do you want us to do? Say no to him based on the fact he’d play less at Duke than he would here? That’s brilliant
 
jdubs30 said:
It’s been said hundreds of times. If a kid is meant for the NBA the league will find him whether it’s Duke, Cuse, or Buffalo. Obviously most kids want to go to a school that has national name recognition and will be on TV.

it’s not a loser attitude at all, I still don’t even get your point. It’s not just Duke - JJ likely gets more playing time (based on individual roster construction obviously) at 99% of schools in America than he would at Duke. He most likely gets more PT at UVA, or OSU, etc than he would at Duke. It has nothing to do with a “loser attitude”

What do you want us to do? Say no to him based on the fact he’d play less at Duke than he would here? That’s brilliant
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No, we should go after him and 90% of the people that comment on recruits should stop with their BS. When they go elsewhere (didn’t want him anyway), looking at a better school (he won’t play there), and the always wonderful (he’d be perfect here) like he would be crap elsewhere.

You said it yourself, no matter where they go if they’re talented they’ll get drafted, why does PT at Syracuse playing 35 minutes a game matter compared to a 20 at Duke? You say you don’t understand my point but you literally make it by saying that you can get drafted at Buffalo.
 
I agree with what you're both saying. If a kid is talented, he will get drafted no matter where he goes to school. However, PT does matter because if he doesn't get enough of it to show his talent, he won't be noticed. I don't think it probably matters with 35 versus 20, but if it's more like 35 versus 10, then yeah, I do think that matters.
 
Nicknack said:
I agree with what you're both saying. If a kid is talented, he will get drafted no matter where he goes to school. However, PT does matter because if he doesn't get enough of it to show his talent, he won't be noticed. I don't think it probably matters with 35 versus 20, but if it's more like 35 versus 10, then yeah, I do think that matters.
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That is fair, but then I think it goes back to if they’re getting 10 there then I probably don’t want him.
 
two3zone said:
No, we should go after him and 90% of the people that comment on recruits should stop with their BS. When they go elsewhere (didn’t want him anyway), looking at a better school (he won’t play there), and the always wonderful (he’d be perfect here) like he would be crap elsewhere.

You said it yourself, no matter where they go if they’re talented they’ll get drafted, why does PT at Syracuse playing 35 minutes a game matter compared to a 20 at Duke? You say you don’t understand my point but you literally make it by saying that you can get drafted at Buffalo.
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Ask JJ. Does he want to play 15 minutes less per game x 32 games a year? Kids want to play too lol.

Yes big picture wise no matter the PT, it most likely won’t effect his draft stock. And yes, Duke certainly has a recent history of guys they can point to they are in the league. But we are still a top 20 program nationally, and the hometown program - where he can get big time PT.
 
Nicknack said:
I agree with what you're both saying. If a kid is talented, he will get drafted no matter where he goes to school. However, PT does matter because if he doesn't get enough of it to show his talent, he won't be noticed. I don't think it probably matters with 35 versus 20, but if it's more like 35 versus 10, then yeah, I do think that matters.
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Yes the shorter PT does give the scouts way less tape. But let’s not forget that JJ wants to play too. I’m sure for him it’ll be a cost vs benefit. Duke has the recent NBA success and he will be practicing against 5 stars - but if he only gets 15mpg is that worth it for him? Or does he want 30mpg but may not get the pub of Duke
 
jdubs30 said:
Ask JJ. Does he want to play 15 minutes less per game x 32 games a year? Kids want to play too lol.

Yes big picture wise no matter the PT, it most likely won’t effect his draft stock. And yes, Duke certainly has a recent history of guys they can point to they are in the league. But we are still a top 20 program nationally, and the hometown program - where he can get big time PT.
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Top 20 according to whom? Not our recruiting classes, not our rankings, and not even perception by these 15-17 year old kids.

We have a great history, a hall of fame coach, great facilities (which seem to be getting passed by daily), but the SEC basketball teams are coming out of the woodwork with their facilities and recruiting and obviously bumping us. Kids would rather play at Alabama than us, that’s not good man.
 
jdubs30 said:
Yes the shorter PT does give the scouts way less tape. But let’s not forget that JJ wants to play too. I’m sure for him it’ll be a cost vs benefit. Duke has the recent NBA success and he will be practicing against 5 stars - but if he only gets 15mpg is that worth it for him? Or does he want 30mpg but may not get the pub of Duke
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Sometimes being run out for 35 minutes a game here doesn’t pan out well for guys. See Fair and Battle. I think both had some nba talent, especially Battle.
 
two3zone said:
Top 20 according to whom? Not our recruiting classes, not our rankings, and not even perception by these 15-17 year old kids.

We have a great history, a hall of fame coach, great facilities (which seem to be getting passed by daily), but the SEC basketball teams are coming out of the woodwork with their facilities and recruiting and obviously bumping us. Kids would rather play at Alabama than us, that’s not good man.
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were still a top 20 program anyone that says otherwise is just wrong. Non top 20 programs haven't been to a final 4 and three sweet 16s in the past 5 years
 
Scott11 said:
So you think they didn’t make the NBA because they played too much? Dude you are really having a bad day.
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Had to get a dig in at the end huh?

You don’t think players can get overexposed? You think fatigue over the course of the year doesn’t affect play?

Your refusal to think outside the box is lazy, simple and you’re missing a lot. You probably have many bad days and you don’t even realize it.
 
Cuse Countr said:
were still a top 20 program anyone that says otherwise is just wrong. Non top 20 programs haven't been to a final 4 and three sweet 16s in the past 5 years
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UConn has how many titles? Who cares right? Nobody gives a hoot about our final four outside of this base.

FYI, your numbers are wrong, may want to look it up again.
 
jdubs30 said:
Ask JJ. Does he want to play 15 minutes less per game x 32 games a year? Kids want to play too lol.

Yes big picture wise no matter the PT, it most likely won’t effect his draft stock. And yes, Duke certainly has a recent history of guys they can point to they are in the league. But we are still a top 20 program nationally, and the hometown program - where he can get big time PT.
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I think the age of the player plays a factor. We used to get 18 years old, now with high school recruits going to prep school we are getting 19 yr old going on 20 and once in awhile a 20 yr old going on 21. As the recruits get older, they feel they only one year or at most 2 before the window closes on going pro before they are viewed too old.
 
two3zone said:
Sometimes being run out for 35 minutes a game here doesn’t pan out well for guys. See Fair and Battle. I think both had some nba talent, especially Battle.
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Hahaah yeah tell the kids that. I bet Scheyer isn’t pitching to JJ “we will play you less here so you don’t get overexposed on tape” jeez
 
jdubs30 said:
Hahaah yeah tell the kids that. I bet Scheyer isn’t pitching to JJ “we will play you less here so you don’t get overexposed on tape” jeez
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Nobody is saying he’s saying that he is……..
 
I hope JJ and his advisers can see that at SU he gets to play a bigger role and shine. Even if he starts for Duke, with the talent they have he will be a role player who primarily has to get the ball to the 1st and 2nd options -- the big stars.
 
RF2044 said:
NIL may be playing a big factor in this decision.

That would favor the hometown team over the other programs in play.
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The dynamic of just how many nationwide offers kids can get through going to say Duke is going to be a story to watch with the NIL. Locally at some point there is only so much cheddar to go around. JJ is competing with his teammates in this regard at Duke.

Now if things get to where it's a buffet of opportunities on a much larger scale because you go to Duke, UK, UNC etc and it's a matter of walk through the door and here it is then we can go on about regional stuff forever but it won't hold a candle money wise. I think for where we are right now it makes sense that local can provide more realistic NIL revenue streams than Duke with a stable of 5 stars and first round picks.
 
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