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Players or Coaching?

Let me start by saying that I doubt Dino would be fired in a Covid year. I will also state that at the moment I am neutral on him (albeit fading fast) but let's see how the season unfolds.

Much of what you mention is fan stuff. You have to think like an executive; i.e. Wildhack. The metrics by which he will judge Dino are very different than how fans judge him and they all come back to more high level factors and especially $$$. SU has invested a sizable amount of money in athletics: increased salaries for football, Dome renovations, the IPF, etc. At the end of the day it won't boil down to how good a postgame speech Dino can give, or excuses for 4 out of 5 years or whatever. It will boil down to whether the AD believes Dino's performance merits him keeping his job, whether the direction of the program after 5 (or 6) years is where he wants it to be, and whether his return on investment is acceptable to date. Those will be the high level factors. Dino is a highly paid guy in a P5 conference and with it comes significant expectations.

You say there is no other coach we can get that is going to turn it around (which of course is not true) but that is the exact same thing that is said every time the program is nose-diving. Besides, that is not even the issue; the issue is not who else could we get, the issue is does Dino's performance merit him keeping the job. End of story. I can tell you right now that I have never known an executive yet that was not totally confident that he (or she) could not successfully replace an underperformer with someone better. If they are not confident in that mindset then they don't belong in the job. I am pretty sure Wildhack belongs in this job and I am sure that he is confident that he could successfully replace Dino if it comes down to it.

An AD is more than willing to ride the coattails of a coach he did not hire as long as that coach is successful. They are far less likely to want to be joined at the hip with someone they didn't hire who is also not performing to that AD's satisfaction.

Is Wildhack happy with Dino? Not my place to say but I do know that booting the OC and DC last year was a giant flashing red light for the program. Again, I am not offering an opinion on whether Dino should stay or go and at any rate I doubt it would happen this season anyway. However, if we finish the year sub- .500 for the 4th time in 5 years under Dino, then Wildhack will have some big decisions to make.
This is very well-spoken. I am not as optimistic about future hires as I once was in my early 20's.

History is not on Cuse's side. I would say that odds are 10-1 (or worse) the next coach turns it around. I would be utterly shocked if the right coach is the coach that comes in after Dino. Utterly shocked. But it would be a pleasant surprise
 

Just my opinion, and I've mentioned it before; compared to a number of other programs, our facilities aren't exactly eye-popping. I know there has been improvement, but I think there is more work to be done to get us on par with other schools we find ourselves competing against for recruits.

I certainly don't think it's an "either/or" situation as it pertains to coaching/players.
 
Just my opinion, and I've mentioned it before; compared to a number of other programs, our facilities aren't exactly eye-popping. I know there has been improvement, but I think there is more work to be done to get us on par with other schools we find ourselves competing against for recruits.

I certainly don't think it's an "either/or" situation as it pertains to coaching/players.
I actually think some of the neighborhoods surrounding the athletics facilities are killing us. I've thought this for quite some time
 
You have no idea if the recruiting is better or not because so many guys are hurt. Unless you have any proof that the players that are out on the OL came in as damaged goods and can't play, you're making Babers accountable for bad luck.
I think I have a real good idea, and I also have never heard a coach saved by an athletic director in year 5 or 6 because the coach says “I just keep having bad luck”
 
Let me start by saying that I doubt Dino would be fired in a Covid year. I will also state that at the moment I am neutral on him (albeit fading fast) but let's see how the season unfolds.

Much of what you mention is fan stuff. You have to think like an executive; i.e. Wildhack. The metrics by which he will judge Dino are very different than how fans judge him and they all come back to more high level factors and especially $$$. SU has invested a sizable amount of money in athletics: increased salaries for football, Dome renovations, the IPF, etc. At the end of the day it won't boil down to how good a postgame speech Dino can give, or excuses for 4 out of 5 years or whatever. It will boil down to whether the AD believes Dino's performance merits him keeping his job, whether the direction of the program after 5 (or 6) years is where he wants it to be, and whether his return on investment is acceptable to date. Those will be the high level factors. Dino is a highly paid guy in a P5 conference and with it comes significant expectations.

You say there is no other coach we can get that is going to turn it around (which of course is not true) but that is the exact same thing that is said every time the program is nose-diving. Besides, that is not even the issue; the issue is not who else could we get, the issue is does Dino's performance merit him keeping the job. End of story. I can tell you right now that I have never known an executive yet that was not totally confident that he (or she) could not successfully replace an underperformer with someone better. If they are not confident in that mindset then they don't belong in the job. I am pretty sure Wildhack belongs in this job and I am sure that he is confident that he could successfully replace Dino if it comes down to it.

An AD is more than willing to ride the coattails of a coach he did not hire as long as that coach is successful. They are far less likely to want to be joined at the hip with someone they didn't hire who is also not performing to that AD's satisfaction.

Is Wildhack happy with Dino? Not my place to say but I do know that booting the OC and DC last year was a giant flashing red light for the program. Again, I am not offering an opinion on whether Dino should stay or go and at any rate I doubt it would happen this season anyway. However, if we finish the year sub- .500 for the 4th time in 5 years under Dino, then Wildhack will have some big decisions to make.
If you do your homework on Wild there is zero doubt that he will fire Dino or any other coach not named Jim in a NY second.
 
If you do your homework on Wild there is zero doubt that he will fire Dino or any other coach not named Jim in a NY second.
Then he should fire the Women's soccer coach asap...
 
I actually think some of the neighborhoods surrounding the athletics facilities are killing us. I've thought this for quite some time
What. Yeah let's move the athletic facilities to Manlius or Skaneateles. The school is where it is Skippy. This has to be excuse #47 in last week.
 
Just my opinion, and I've mentioned it before; compared to a number of other programs, our facilities aren't exactly eye-popping. I know there has been improvement, but I think there is more work to be done to get us on par with other schools we find ourselves competing against for recruits.

I certainly don't think it's an "either/or" situation as it pertains to coaching/players.
It would have helped if Steven and Slayton had been able to play 4 years together. I really believe it would have let us recruit some really good DT's.
 
What. Yeah let's move the athletic facilities to Manlius or Skaneateles. The school is where it is Skippy. This has to be excuse #47 in last week.
Just because you called me Skippy ...

In no way am I implying it is an excuse. It's actually a reason, imo. I don't know how in the world you would move the facilities, but maybe public improvement/or investment in and redevelopment of certain neighborhoods would go a long way? I'm just spitballing
 
If you do your homework on Wild there is zero doubt that he will fire Dino or any other coach not named Jim in a NY second.

Partially correct, any coach not named Jim or John.
 
I know. Those two worked well together. Steven really respected Chris.
They both played with a mean streak, being offended by people invading their space. And that was sideline to sideline within 10 yards.
 

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