Postgame Thoughts….NC State

[br801]

Good point. This seems to be a point that eludes a lot of fans. Every team has some Jekyll and Hyde in them, and you don't know - or have a lot of control over - which one shows up until after the opening tip. Coaches, players and refs need to understand that before they will ever prosper. So you coach/play/ref with who showed up with and against whoever else showed up. The idea that you can predetermine what will happen based on your personal preferences has no connection to reality. Can you - and did you - do what it takes to win that game against that team on that night? Whether it's "the nice game" with dunks and downtown 3's, or a Pitt rock fight. Defense was bad last night? So what? They found a way to win. And win or lose, you take what you got, learn from it and get ready for the next game.

While this is no great revelation, I think the better teams are the ones that can readily adapt and win in a wide variety of ways. This current SU team is more limited than most, and the record reflects that. Still, they played some good defense at times last night, and rebounded well at key points, and that allowed them to gain control of the game in the second half. As you suggest, just find a way.

 

[MikeSU02]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but just want to say, look at the box score if you get a chance. Master class in offensive efficiency outside of Buddy, who is our volume guy anyway.

What was said before that we can win if we are on shooting-wise is true. And last night the guys made buckets.

I know Cole had a game and Buddy is going to be our volume guy, but Joe and Jesse are what I'm looking at. Those are the two for next year. IF we get a PG that can get Joe off ball and have Jesse... I'm digging it. Ideally it would be Benny and then maybe Bunch? I know that may be pie in the sky...

But back to last night, the guys were getting buckets. NCSU isn't a good team and missing their starting center, but seeing the ball go in matters.

Let's get a little feisty here at the end of the year!

 

[Cowtown]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but just want to say, look at the box score if you get a chance. Master class in offensive efficiency outside of Buddy, who is our volume guy anyway.

What was said before that we can win if we are on shooting-wise is true. And last night the guys made buckets.

I know Cole had a game and Buddy is going to be our volume guy, but Joe and Jesse are what I'm looking at. Those are the two for next year. IF we get a PG that can get Joe off ball and have Jesse... I'm digging it. Ideally it would be Benny and then maybe Bunch? I know that may be pie in the sky...

But back to last night, the guys were getting buckets. NCSU isn't a good team and missing their starting center, but seeing the ball go in matters.

Let's get a little feisty here at the end of the year!

I don't disagree, for the game is 40 minutes long for a reason. But doing a quick scroll through the game thread, say the first ten pages, is to witness a monument to impatience.

 

[MikeSU02]

I don't disagree, for the game is 40 minutes long for a reason. But doing a quick scroll through the game thread, say the first ten pages, is to witness a monument to impatience.

I mean, it's a game thread. My emotions range from being full of piss and vinegar to elation. Buy the ticket, take the ride!

 

[IthacaMatt]

A caveat, I didn't watch, only live stats here. But what this all tells me is NCSt didn't adjust (read: hit the boards) when the ball stopped going in during the second half. For judging by the kvetching here, our D didn't get better, they just cooled down. But, that's basketball. View attachment 213494

No, it was more than them "not going after offensive boards", because they sure were going after them hard. We just had better size and for once we played like it.

 

[djcon57]

two points-

1. NC State has gotta be the best 10-13 team in the country

they have talent

i wonder if its maybe the coach? never really been impressed with him

theyve played pretty well at home if you look at what theyve done.

 

[pearl31]

theyve played pretty well at home if you look at what theyve done.

they're a weird team - outplayed Purdue (had them beat, lost in OT), clobbered UVA the other week, went to VaTech and won...
but yeah they've really underachieved under Keatts - wonder if he's on the hot seat?

 

[bigmike]

two points-

1. NC State has gotta be the best 10-13 team in the country

they have talent

i wonder if its maybe the coach? never really been impressed with him

2. And I know there's basically no point in talking about refs...but I thought NC State was definitely getting the home cooking last night...NC state players were grabbing and holding on every single possession all game and SU was decidedly not...if the refs called handchecking like they were supposed to I think its a blowout win for SU

Regarding your point #2, when the game was tight deep into the second half, I kept waiting for one of the referees to call a moving pick on Jesse when he was setting picks in the mid court area to help the ball handlers. Thankfully, that did not happen.

 

[tee1222]

Say it however you wish; if it wasn’t for Jesse’s play we would have lost, big time!

That's what the smiley face was for

 

[orangecuse]

So much hostility from that guy

Why so angry?

So predictable coming from you. You're one of those 'usual suspects' that chooses to spew garb of this nature, "haters" etc., and deflect from the actual subject matter. I post from a generally realistic, objective and spirited point of view. I invite you to prove otherwise. You want to label that "hostile" or "angry" so be it, I couldn't care less. Just as you honestly couldn't care less about "why I'm so angry?"

Yesterday being Groundhog Day, and in spirit of the great Carl Spackler...I did, "have to laugh" in regards to JB's interview with Greenberg after the game. I mean come on! JB sitting there saying how State playing without their key bigs is actually less advantageous due to their smaller line and being harder to defend, etc. is disingenuous in my opinion. Additionally, stating how State is very difficult to play in this building (in that moment) when the arena was seemingly filled to 1/10th of capacity is disingenuous as well, IMO.

Not to mention State now 3-9 in conference, and a losing record overall, being a bad basketball team. It just looks foolish, again, IMO, spinning such in an attempt to elevate this victory in being more than what it was. A victory on the road against a poor opponent in a near vacant building.

Just say something along the lines of: we came out on fire to start the second half hitting our first 8 shots from the field, going on that 12-0 run, from 3 down to 9 up and creating separation. State scraped back and made us work for the win, but we were able to make the plays we needed to down the stretch and get the W. I happy with the win and our guys have played their best offensively these past two game, etc., etc.

So, if you care to simply debate my view, we can. Or not, and you can just label me the "hater" that I am and continue on in the manner in which you typically do.

 

[Willy75]

He’s one of the all time great game coaches, for sure.

Not enough credit being given to going to the 1-3-1, which helped fuel the early second half run. Also once NC State made their own run we responded right away to some of their big shots.

 

[CuseFTW]

Regarding your point #2, when the game was tight deep into the second half, I kept waiting for one of the referees to call a moving pick on Jesse when he was setting picks in the mid court area to help the ball handlers. Thankfully, that did not happen.

I was thinking the exact same thing. He did it maybe 3-4 times and every time I was sure they were going to call it. Not to mention the announcers were next to unbearable and favored NC St heavily.

 

[GoSU96]

So predictable coming from you. You're one of those 'usual suspects' that chooses to spew garb of this nature, "haters" etc., and deflect from the actual subject matter. I post from a generally realistic, objective and spirited point of view. I invite you to prove otherwise. You want to label that "hostile" or "angry" so be it, I couldn't care less. Just as you honestly couldn't care less about "why I'm so angry?"

Yesterday being Groundhog Day, and in spirit of the great Carl Spackler...I did, "have to laugh" in regards to JB's interview with Greenberg after the game. I mean come on! JB sitting there saying how State playing without their key bigs is actually less advantageous due to their smaller line and being harder to defend, etc. is disingenuous in my opinion. Additionally, stating how State is very difficult to play in this building (in that moment) when the arena was seemingly filled to 1/10th of capacity is disingenuous as well, IMO.

Not to mention State now 3-9 in conference, and a losing record overall, being a bad basketball team. It just looks foolish, again, IMO, spinning such in an attempt to elevate this victory in being more than what it was. A victory on the road against a poor opponent in a near vacant building.

Just say something along the lines of: we came out on fire to start the second half hitting our first 8 shots from the field, going on that 12-0 run, from 3 down to 9 up and creating separation. State scraped back and made us work for the win, but we were able to make the plays we needed to down the stretch and get the W. I happy with the win and our guys have played their best offensively these past two game, etc., etc.

So, if you care to simply debate my view, we can. Or not, and you can just label me the "hater" that I am and continue on in the manner in which you typically do.

You want to get spun up by a meaningless post game interview, go for it.

normal people see it for what it is shrug

 

[orangecuse]

You want to get spun up by a meaningless post game interview, go for it.

normal people see it for what it is shrug

You just can't help yourself...keep shining those true colors and being you.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I don’t either. I used the word the same as you.

What word? : )

All i'm saying is that it seems like you magnified the guy's simple, mild 'aside' about JAB's rambling response style into some sort of psychopathology about how the poster couldn't enjoy the game. I thought it was both true (i actually started writing a post abut how he talks for five minutes without punctuation or a paragraph break), and was pretty harmless.

You found it "amazing."

But, you must be more familiar with that guy's history of posting, and felt it was just another 'shot' to add to his pile. At least, that's what it now looks like. But, whatever. It didn't hit me that hard. Maybe it's like how so many posters rant about commentators (Anish?) and how they are biased, and i just don't listen to them enough to even recognize it...

 

[newmexicuse]

Fab game from each of the 5 starters. Not much bench help.

jesse and cole both really excelled.

I could not believe the box only credited Jesse w 3 blocks, I could have sworn he had 5 to 7.

d was not very good, but switching to the 1 3 1, perplexed them for just long enough for us to take control and keep our noses out in front.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Why so angry?

I guess everyone feels the same way!

Well, now i have to monitor GoSU96...

 

[OrangeDW]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but just want to say, look at the box score if you get a chance. Master class in offensive efficiency outside of Buddy, who is our volume guy anyway.

What was said before that we can win if we are on shooting-wise is true. And last night the guys made buckets.

I know Cole had a game and Buddy is going to be our volume guy, but Joe and Jesse are what I'm looking at. Those are the two for next year. IF we get a PG that can get Joe off ball and have Jesse... I'm digging it. Ideally it would be Benny and then maybe Bunch? I know that may be pie in the sky...

But back to last night, the guys were getting buckets. NCSU isn't a good team and missing their starting center, but seeing the ball go in matters.

Let's get a little feisty here at the end of the year!

Yup. A stud freshman or transfer PG, Joe at the 2, Benny making the patented sophomore leap, and Jesse would have me very high on our chances next year.

Let’s hope it happens.

 

[Scott11]

A few thoughts:
-Joe was excellent. Took care of the ball and made some great passes. Shot selection was better than usual although he had one awful contested chuck and another occasion turned a three on one into a three. But he was really good.
-It felt like Jesse had more than 6 boards. He was a monster and was snatching the ball and securing it and evidenced a mean streak that is nice to see. He went to the hole with serious authority and also had some nice post up moves. Unfortunately he changes his release point on free throws which leads to the results we have been seeing.
-That's what Jimmy should be. A nice complimentary option who doesn't take contested shots and makes the easy, open ones. He played hard and kept his complaining to the refs streak alive. The righty scoop across the line was tasty.
-I'm starting to think Cole coming back next year would be huge for the program. He is starting to click and play with confidence, especially down the stretch. The last two games his shooting has been elite.
-When Buddy takes good shots he is a weapon. When he forces he is not good. His perimeter defense was even worse than Joe's last night with halfhearted closeouts. But he made some huge ones down the stretch and the dish to Jesse was nice. I wish he would do that more instead of stopping the ball for 6 seconds.
-Not Symir's night. I wonder if he is still banged up as his movement looked labored. The one exception as on a closeout on a three which might have been the single best closeout we've had in years.
-It was nice to go to bed in a good mood after a road win.

 

[Orangezoo]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but just want to say, look at the box score if you get a chance. Master class in offensive efficiency outside of Buddy, who is our volume guy anyway.

What was said before that we can win if we are on shooting-wise is true. And last night the guys made buckets.

I know Cole had a game and Buddy is going to be our volume guy, but Joe and Jesse are what I'm looking at. Those are the two for next year. IF we get a PG that can get Joe off ball and have Jesse... I'm digging it. Ideally it would be Benny and then maybe Bunch? I know that may be pie in the sky...

But back to last night, the guys were getting buckets. NCSU isn't a good team and missing their starting center, but seeing the ball go in matters.

Let's get a little feisty here at the end of the year!

Preferably without any Manny Bating.

 

[orangecuse]

What word? : )

All i'm saying is that it seems like you magnified the guy's simple, mild 'aside' about JAB's rambling response style into some sort of psychopathology about how the poster couldn't enjoy the game. I thought it was both true (i actually started writing a post abut how he talks for five minutes without punctuation or a paragraph break), and was pretty harmless.

You found it "amazing."

But, you must be more familiar with that guy's history of posting, and felt it was just another 'shot' to add to his pile. At least, that's what it now looks like. But, whatever. It didn't hit me that hard. Maybe it's like how so many posters rant about commentators (Anish?) and how they are biased, and i just don't listen to them enough to even recognize it...

He's not a fan of mine. I think, for the most part, it stemmed back to the different viewpoints we had about Frank Howard, him being out of position, not capable (at least consistently) of going down hill, etc. Sobecuse and I had similar views, which I maintain were objective, constructive, etc. in regards to Frank's deficiencies as a lead guard, especially for a P5 level program like Syracuse. That stated, I do remain appreciative that I'm still able to post here.

Again, my posts come from what I feel are a realistic, objective, constructive and spirited point of view. That's what my posting history reflects...keeping it real, not pollyanna and through Orange colored glasses. Unfortunately, instead of being simply that viewpoint, it gets deemed here as being "negative" or a "hater" type, etc.

I'd invite those who rather peculiarly pay such close attention to that rather than simply debate the subject matter at hand, to prove otherwise.

 

[bigmike]

I was thinking the exact same thing. He did it maybe 3-4 times and every time I was sure they were going to call it. Not to mention the announcers were next to unbearable and favored NC St heavily.

Would have been the kind of call that could have fired up the crowd, and changed both the momentum and the outcome of the game.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Lots to like on defense? NCST was seriously undermanned last night and we gave them 82 points and 39 threes. Nice to get a win but that was one of the worst defensive games i have ever seen. I usually talk about how the wings get too high but lately I’ve noticed that Cole and Buddy get caught way too deep in the lane (even when the ball is opposite wing). It makes no sense they are that deep and they don’t get back out. Cole and Jimmy did it about 10 times last night

The D wasn’t great as usual but I have to say NC State did a really good job of whipping the ball around on their offensive sets to get open looks. They really knew what they were doing with their guard oriented offense.. the ball will always be faster than defenders and no how matter how well you play the D, efficient passing will always get you an open look. Most teams aren’t that adept at passing against it though

 

[Zelda Zonk]

He's not a fan of mine. I think, for the most part, it stemmed back to the different viewpoints we had about Frank Howard, him being out of position, not capable (at least consistently) of going down hill, etc. Sobecuse and I had similar views, which I maintain were objective, constructive, etc. in regards to Frank's deficiencies as a lead guard, especially for a P5 level program like Syracuse. That stated, I do remain appreciative that I'm still able to post here.

Again, my posts come from what I feel are a realistic, objective, constructive and spirited point of view. That's what my posting history reflects...keeping it real, not pollyanna and through Orange colored glasses. Unfortunately, instead of being simply that viewpoint, it gets deemed here as being "negative" or a "hater" type, etc.

I'd invite those who rather peculiarly pay such close attention to that rather than simply debate the subject matter at hand, to prove otherwise.

Frank Howard?! I don't remember what i ate for dinner two nights ago, and y'all harbor resentments over forum posts from several years ago?

I either need to take ginko biloba, or continue to not take ginko biloba...

 

[rrlbees]

He's not a fan of mine. I think, for the most part, it stemmed back to the different viewpoints we had about Frank Howard, him being out of position, not capable (at least consistently) of going down hill, etc. Sobecuse and I had similar views, which I maintain were objective, constructive, etc. in regards to Frank's deficiencies as a lead guard, especially for a P5 level program like Syracuse. That stated, I do remain appreciative that I'm still able to post here.

Again, my posts come from what I feel are a realistic, objective, constructive and spirited point of view. That's what my posting history reflects...keeping it real, not pollyanna and through Orange colored glasses. Unfortunately, instead of being simply that viewpoint, it gets deemed here as being "negative" or a "hater" type, etc.

I'd invite those who rather peculiarly pay such close attention to that rather than simply debate the subject matter at hand, to prove otherwise.

Yea that’s it. Lol.