Potential 2025 Roster

[DMVCuseLax]

Sounds like some cuts will be made.

 

[Laxfanshutt]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[ClvrUsrnm]

Sounds like some cuts will be made.

Were cuts made?

 

[OttosDad]

I heard a couple names entered the portal. Not sure if that’s a result of cuts or just wanting to move on. Given how long they’ve been on the team I’m inclined to guess cuts…

 

[JeremyCuse]

I heard a couple names entered the portal. Not sure if that’s a result of cuts or just wanting to move on. Given how long they’ve been on the team I’m inclined to guess cuts…

Yup, new roster rules are wreaking havoc unfortunately.

 

[GrowTheGame]

Not seeing any cuts reflected on the website roster yet, any idea on number of guys let go? Won’t ask for names and will put two and two together when the website is updated.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not seeing any cuts reflected on the website roster yet, any idea on number of guys let go? Won’t ask for names and will put two and two together when the website is updated.

And that won't be for a few weeks yet until practice starts up.

 

[GrowTheGame]

And that won't be for a few weeks yet until practice starts up.

It’s interesting though, I’ve noticed a trend that once a kid hits the portal he’s generally off the roster page (for other schools this is not in reference to Cuse - i.e. my Alma mater picked up a local transfer from Limestone and his footprint on their website, despite playing a few games, is near non-existent) and have noticed the same at a lot of schools. Wasn’t sure if that was the case for cuts and you’d assume those kids would be getting in the portal ASAP for spring.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It’s interesting though, I’ve noticed a trend that once a kid hits the portal he’s generally off the roster page (for other schools this is not in reference to Cuse - i.e. my Alma mater picked up a local transfer from Limestone and his footprint on their website, despite playing a few games, is near non-existent) and have noticed the same at a lot of schools. Wasn’t sure if that was the case for cuts and you’d assume those kids would be getting in the portal ASAP for spring.

I guess the winter portal window for LAX ran from Dec 1 to Dec 15.

It opens up again for 30 days next May.

Do we have somebody who speaks "Insta" who is monitoring everyone's accounts for updates?

 

[Powellfan]

I guess the winter portal window for LAX ran from Dec 1 to Dec 15.

It opens up again for 30 days next May.

Do we have somebody who speaks "Insta" who is monitoring everyone's accounts for updates?

I checked on a few that I thought might have a tenuous hold on a roster spot - they all listed @cusemlax in their bio still. They might wait until they have a new college lined up, or they might not really care what their instagram bio says. Remains to be seen.

Curious what the long term implications of this are. We've seen players transfer to schools without the reputation of a Syracuse, but if those schools have roster caps what happens? Do those next level schools cut players to make room for the guys who were cut from high level schools? Will there be schools that don't sign on to this settlement that won't be constricted by a roster cap that takes them?

 

[JeremyCuse]

I checked on a few that I thought might have a tenuous hold on a roster spot - they all listed @cusemlax in their bio still. They might wait until they have a new college lined up, or they might not really care what their instagram bio says. Remains to be seen.

Curious what the long term implications of this are. We've seen players transfer to schools without the reputation of a Syracuse, but if those schools have roster caps what happens? Do those next level schools cut players to make room for the guys who were cut from high level schools? Will there be schools that don't sign on to this settlement that won't be constricted by a roster cap that takes them?

Many schools simply won't sign on to the settlement who will be able to still have essentially any roster size they want. Some of the non power schools could really become transfer destinations for mid level players looking for a home.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Many schools simply won't sign on to the settlement who will be able to still have essentially any roster size they want. Some of the non power schools could really become transfer destinations for mid level players looking for a home.

There was a report sometime in the last few months that only Power 4 conferences were expected to sign on to the settlement. In LAX that means just the ACC and the B1G. If so, non P4 schools would not have roster limits but presumably would still have the current scholarship limits.

 

[JeremyCuse]

There was a report sometime in the last few months that only Power 4 conferences were expected to sign on to the settlement. In LAX that means just the ACC and the B1G. If so, non P4 schools would not have roster limits but presumably would still have the current scholarship limits.

Yup I believe that report was accurate and what I was referencing (or at least trying to, lol). I suspect as you noted it will only be a small number of schools mostly ACC adn B10 with perhaps a few BE schools as well ie Denver Gtown etc. I could also see Utah going down this path as well.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Yup I believe that report was accurate and what I was referencing (or at least trying to, lol). I suspect as you noted it will only be a small number of schools mostly ACC adn B10 with perhaps a few BE schools as well ie Denver Gtown etc. I could also see Utah going down this path as well.

You raise some interesting issues. Utah of course because they're part of the Big 12. But interesting question about the Big East. Since they don't have football, if they opt in to the settlement does that mean they could spend up to $20+ of the "revenue sharing" limit primarily to just basketball? If so, they'd corner the market of good basketball players as the P4 schools won't allocate near that amount to basketball. And what about Denver, which is not part of the Big East for basketball. And of course there is still Title IX implications that so far no one has any answers to. I saw someplace, maybe on this website, that Texas Tech has stated how they were going to allocate the revenue sharing and if I recall correctly about 2/3rds is going to go to football. The question with the P4 schools that have lacrosse, how much of the revenue sharing pie will go to lacrosse. After increasing the number of scholarships above the current limit of 12.7(?). Many many many issues.

 

[FloridaCuse]

You raise some interesting issues. Utah of course because they're part of the Big 12. But interesting question about the Big East. Since they don't have football, if they opt in to the settlement does that mean they could spend up to $20+ of the "revenue sharing" limit primarily to just basketball? If so, they'd corner the market of good basketball players as the P4 schools won't allocate near that amount to basketball. And what about Denver, which is not part of the Big East for basketball. And of course there is still Title IX implications that so far no one has any answers to. I saw someplace, maybe on this website, that Texas Tech has stated how they were going to allocate the revenue sharing and if I recall correctly about 2/3rds is going to go to football. The question with the P4 schools that have lacrosse, how much of the revenue sharing pie will go to lacrosse. After increasing the number of scholarships above the current limit of 12.7(?). Many many many issues.

Here's the Texas Tech allocation -- from the Basketball Board on Tuesday [posted by Gotothehole]:

Wildhack is on the Clock

I think they want him to be a bigger part. From managing the Nil to managing our recruiting. That is my sense anyway. Sorry I meant finding transfers was a big part and coaching matters a ton. I absolutely agree with you and NBA front office background should be in charge and he hopefully can...

syracusefan.com

74% to football, 17.5% to MBB, 2% to WBB, 1.9% to Baseball, 4.5% to Others.

 

[DMVCuseLax]

https://thespun.com/college-football/ncaa-considering-massive-change-to-eligibility-rules

 

[LaxFactor]

Sorry, bored on a Saturday morning, can't golf, so here I go... Bringing this convo back to roster, everything I've seen in the press around that final attack spot keeps mentioning Thomson and Deere which is kind of disappointing to me. I felt like out of all of the guys that filled in at 3rd attack a season ago, Leo changed the dynamic the most in a way that seemed like it would be tough for defenses to adjust to. He is the guy that can both finish, dodge and feed and seems like a great fit down low.

Now I feel like I'm nitpicking, because this offense was ranked 6th in the nation in adjusted offensive efficiency (lacrosse reference pro). So they were very good. But I'm in the camp (with others on here) that the only thing missing is that elite dodger on attack. Spallina is a very good dodger and Hiltz is also solid, but I really want to see someone that can win matchups with more ease as it will free them up to do what they do best.

This offense is exciting, but they succeed by flying by the seat of their pants, lots of motion, hitting cutters and living off of things that are generally considered "risky", but because we have so many guys with box experience and "playing in close", it worked. When it worked, it was great. When it didn't work, like against Denver, it was frustrating as hell because in those games was when it was most apparent we were lacking an elite dodger.

If we had that true X dodger that could draw slides more consistently, that would allow both Hiltz and Spallina to remain above GLE which is where they are both more dangerous. I feel Joey has been the most "misused" player on our offense, as being a primary dodger isn't what he does best. Syracuse did a great job last season getting him into situations where he could have his head up, with no one on his hands (ala getting him hung up at X regularly, I couldn't believe how often they were able to hang his defender). If we had a true filthy dirty dodging threat at X, Spallina and Hiltz would feast, and all of those shooters we have out top would also benefit.

Defensively, they ranked "somewhere in the middle nationally" and it was obvious Will Mark was the only reason that was the case. Looking at the data, it's kind of all over the place, but it does support the idea that without Will Mark, this defense would have been among the worst of all tier 1 and 2 programs.

• 38th (out of 76) in efficiency, aka, getting stops
• 45th in opponent shooting percentage
• 51st in on goal shooting percentage, even worse, hence the higher than average shooting percentage, this defense gave up a ton of shots
• 38th in turnover percentage
• 34th in shots given up per possession.

We lost some talent, brought some back. There are for sure some bright spots, Dwan, Rice, Grace (glad to see it looks like he may be healthy). Luckily every ACC team leaked talent like a 14 year old girl leaking tears because her first boyfriend just dumped her for her best friend.

Mullen will handle things at the dot. But I think the defense needs to be BETTER than a season ago in order for this team to break through. I don't see a situation where we're better off in cage than we were with Mark. So for this team to get to the next level, the defense needs to be better. If they stay level with a season ago, we risk getting bounced in the first or second round.

My main worry, teams that have units that are "just good enough" don't normally win natty's, although they can certainly make their way to memorial day weekend.

 

[nyclax]

mark was good in the first half but a flat out liability late in the year...

he juiced his percentage in cupcake games against vermont, colgate, manhattan, utah, hobart but he was under 50, sometimes WELL under, against maryland, army, hop, cornell, uva, duke the second time (got yanked), towson, denver...

he had good games against duke (first time), notre dame, and unc, but overall it doesnt really seem to me like there should be much worry about finding a replacement...if mccool really is what the scouts say he is then the orange should be fine there..

 

[LaxFactor]

mark was good in the first half but a flat out liability late in the year...

he juiced his percentage in cupcake games against vermont, colgate, manhattan, utah, hobart but he was under 50, sometimes WELL under, against maryland, army, hop, cornell, uva, duke the second time (got yanked), towson, denver...

he had good games against duke (first time), notre dame, and unc, but overall it doesnt really seem to me like there should be much worry about finding a replacement...if mccool really is what the scouts say he is then the orange should be fine there..

Been watching a lot of Cuse tape leading into my next quick video and my takeaway leans me into your camp a bit more than I was. I misread one data point and had the sort backwards as that data point, "shots on goal percentage" was glaringly bad, but it's the opposite, Cuse gave up more shots than average per possession, but their "shots on goal percentage" was just outside of the top 20. That data metric isn't perfect, but you can "in a small way" assume Syracuse's defense was doing a better than average job of "contesting shots" to the point their opponents were missing the cage more than average. So between the "eye test" and those data points, I'm a bit more with you.

Where I depart a bit from your view is in him being a "flat out liability". That part just isn't true. His .778 save percentage in the 10-4 win over Duke, he and the defense won that game. His .591 in a 1 goal win over UNC on a day where the defense gave up way too many hands free shots, that was also a game you could argue his "good day" played heavily in the outcome.

So I WAS WRONG, in what I said. The defense clearly deserved more credit than I gave them, which makes me feel a bit better about that side of the ball this upcoming season. Something I'm more than happy to be wrong about haha.

 

[nyclax]

Where I depart a bit from your view is in him being a "flat out liability". That part just isn't true. His .778 save percentage in the 10-4 win over Duke, he and the defense won that game. His .591 in a 1 goal win over UNC on a day where the defense gave up way too many hands free shots, that was also a game you could argue his "good day" played heavily in the outcome.

i said a liability "late in the year." he played well against duke in the first game in march, but then in the second matchup in early may he was pulled after giving up 8 goals in the first quarter with one save...

after the UNC game he was below 50% in four straight to close out the year including the aforementioned duke disaster and then in the tourney against denver. if memory serves there were people here during that game saying he should have been pulled then too...wasnt a terrible effort (47%) and the offense going cold didnt help but he def let in some soft ones...and in a two goal game...maybe that made a difference...

solid goalie but at the end of the day i didnt think he elevated the team when it mattered most...which is why i wouldnt sweat the loss too much...mccool has had two years to learn the defense.