Potential DCs?

[rrlbees]

Its not rare. It's the standard now for P5. Literally every coach Schiano hired has a buyout

I don’t blame Rutgers.

 

[crzdsufan]

My whole day is ruined to learn Rutgirls is doing something better than us...

 

[Moontan]

My whole day is ruined to learn Rutgirls is doing something better than us...

You mean like having them be ranked for hoops?

 

[crzdsufan]

OK, OK Now on suicide watch, lol

Hoping we fix our DC with a good up and coming diamond in the rough. D will be a huge question mark as it is next year so getting someone who can come in and learn and then excell will not be a bad thing in a down year as expected. Who knows, maybe they can perform some magic, but at worst get the team ready to move forward the following year.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think once he signed the agreement you figure you get him for at least a year, he implements the 3-3-5 and if it's super successful yeah you may lose him but if you lose him after a year it most likely means he has done a good job and you look for the next guy. Again, these aren't long term employees, they are hired guns. And if dino was out looking next year for his 3-3-5 guy then so be it. And remember if it failed people would be calling for his head after year 1.

Michigan is also paying position coaches 500K and it's also Michigan. Their staff probably figures if they are successful for 2 years they move onto DC positions or they pulled down 7 figures over 2 years. Goes both ways because they have a 2 year contract.

 

[qdawgg]

We have to deal with the fact the FB program has been living in somewhat of a bubble for awhile. Other than marrone and now DB, we haven’t had a coaching staff that have excelled and then we have to worry about losing them. We might have to worry about that for the future if we continue to make solid hires.

Arnett was a solid hire. That’s evident by him being picked off in less than two weeks. So whether it’s a year or 2 years, if we have success our coaches are going to leave. Welcome to the real world. SU and DB didn’t do anything wrong here except find a potential great coach. Boo hoo.

Now we need to do it again.

 

[721Comstock]

I think Dino knew when he offered that a coach like Arnett wasn’t going to sign a buyout or be here for a very long time.

If you’re lucky, you get 2 years, he turns around the D, and you go from there.

The point all the “buyout” fanboys are missing is -

He’s a DC.

Any buyout for a guy like that would be relative peanuts, and Miss St or similar would just rummage around in the sofa cushions to find the coin to pay that off.

It would likely not be 7 figures, or even high 6 figures.

And buyouts go both ways - what if this guy was an abject failure here??
Then we would have been obligated to pay a big buyout to get rid of him.

Schiano HAD to include buyouts, not for fear of losing coaches,
but that they wouldn’t have signed in the first place without that insurance that if/when Rutgers cans Schiano (or he somehow manages to move on) that they get paid.

 

[orangepassion]

The point all the “buyout” fanboys are missing is -

He’s a DC.

Any buyout for a guy like that would be relative peanuts, and Miss St or similar would just rummage around in the sofa cushions to find the coin to pay that off.

It would likely not be 7 figures, or even high 6 figures.

And buyouts go both ways - what if this guy was an abject failure here??
Then we would have been obligated to pay a big buyout to get rid of him.

Schiano HAD to include buyouts, not for fear of losing coaches,
but that they wouldn’t have signed in the first place without that insurance that if/when Rutgers cans Schiano (or he somehow manages to move on) that they get paid.

We're paying them if they get fired regardless of a buyout. The point of a buyout is so it shouldn't be a one-way contract, where only the school is on the hook. If you sign a DC for $650,000 and another school would have to pay that, in addition to a new contract, think that would make many schools pause. And if not, we have another $650,000 to invest in another coach or facilities.
Coordinator contracts are generally just 2 years, so it's not crazy to ask a guy to commit for a year or two.

 

[gmoney44]

The issue is our fans aren't self aware about our limitations.

That is especially apparent in the future schedule thread. Some think we are Alabama instead of a team that makes a bowl game on average every 3 or 4 years.

 

[BVille44]

Blake Harrell to ECU as their DC.

 

[orangepassion]

I wonder if Dino is totally focusing on recruiting now or dividing his time between the two. Guess he didn't have a runnerup to Arnett he could just contact and offer.

 

[UnknownOrange]

I will be surprised if our next DC isn't already on staff.

 

[Grbac]

I wonder if Dino is totally focusing on recruiting now or dividing his time between the two. Guess he didn't have a runnerup to Arnett he could just contact and offer.

I bet the runner up was Navy’s DC Brian Newberry. It was reported we had interest in him. Looks like Leach and Babers had the same DC list. Unfortunately Leach is at a bigger more powerful football school.

You would think he had more than Arnett and Newberry on his list though. Maybe the others were hired away in the meantime. Possibly having to start back at square one.

Dino knows this is a huge hire for his career and will want to make it the right person. I believe he will make a good decision.

 

[bnoro]

Its not rare. It's the standard now for P5. Literally every coach Schiano hired has a buyout

Lol, no one's going to buyout any of the Rutgers coaches. All of those guys know this is the best gig they'll get with the possible exception of Fran Brown.

 

[P Vasiloff]

I will be surprised if our next DC isn't already on staff.

Then Syracuse University Football is in big trouble.

 

[Cusefan69]

Cannot believe he would focus internally to fill the position. As some have stated this is an important hire. We should give him some time here folks. It has been just a handful of days since he has had to pivot his search. Give him some time to make the right decision. I suspect we will be pleased with the outcome once the dust settles.

 

[svennyi]

Realistically, there are three scenarios right now:
1.) The DC has already been hired and signed his employee agreement. Effective starting date Feb 6th. This was done out of respect for the other coach or based on the new DC's request.
2.) They are in the final stages of interviewing candidates but because of recruiting & other commitments, they haven't been able to progress as quickly. Announcement in this case will be coming soon
3.) They will promote someone internally

The most likely is #1, followed by #2. JW & Dino seem to be old school, respectful people - so I wouldn't be surprised they know who it is and per a gentlemen's agreement they are waiting on the announcement. It could be #2, but this a huge priority, so if this is the case, my guess is that they are in the final stages of the process.

I think there is almost no chance of #3. If it was, they would have announced it already.

You can be upset about Arnett leaving, but I don't know how people can be upset about the process. They identified a strong coach and kept the process quiet right up until announcement. Same with the OC. I am confident they have their person and are waiting. From my vantage point, JW oozes professionalism... they got this.

 

[JeffCuse]

I will be surprised if our next DC isn't already on staff.

Well that's the most uninspiring thing I've read today... :|

 

[upperdeck]

if we change the style who knows how any one on the staff would do?

 

[rrlbees]

We're paying them if they get fired regardless of a buyout. The point of a buyout is so it shouldn't be a one-way contract, where only the school is on the hook. If you sign a DC for $650,000 and another school would have to pay that, in addition to a new contract, think that would make many schools pause. And if not, we have another $650,000 to invest in another coach or facilities.
Coordinator contracts are generally just 2 years, so it's not crazy to ask a guy to commit for a year or two.

A buyout isn’t going to be 650,000. The average buyout for a HC is 25-50% of one year. If a coordinator were to get a buyout it’ll be less than that. If we were paying him $650k per year, a buyout, if there were to be one, would be about $150k. Peanuts for MSU and not a difference maker for us.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Here's why it worries me that Stanard will be a bandaid/extended-year-long-interview/1-year-DC

Signing day is rapidly approaching. I assumed, at this point, no coaches are going to jump ship. That has been proven incorrect.

svennyi #1 theory of a DC being hired but kept hush until after signing day ... could be very possible. I hope it's that.

However when you've already made a hire, been spurned, and time is of the essence... they might be looking at internal. Especially since it seems to me ADJW would rather have a 1 year bandaid then overpay for someone he and dino don't know

 

[SmilinBob]

I don’t agree at all, that’s the type of decision that gets coaches fired eventually. You don’t fire your DC mid-season, fail to get a DC and then decide to stick with a guy on staff that is worse than the guy you fired mid-season.

How is he worse than the previous DC? He was thrown into it and did not get a whole off season to design his D.

 

[All4SU]

Realistically, there are three scenarios right now:
1.) The DC has already been hired and signed his employee agreement. Effective starting date Feb 6th. This was done out of respect for the other coach or based on the new DC's request.
2.) They are in the final stages of interviewing candidates but because of recruiting & other commitments, they haven't been able to progress as quickly. Announcement in this case will be coming soon
3.) They will promote someone internally

The most likely is #1, followed by #2. JW & Dino seem to be old school, respectful people - so I wouldn't be surprised they know who it is and per a gentlemen's agreement they are waiting on the announcement. It could be #2, but this a huge priority, so if this is the case, my guess is that they are in the final stages of the process.

I think there is almost no chance of #3. If it was, they would have announced it already.

You can be upset about Arnett leaving, but I don't know how people can be upset about the process. They identified a strong coach and kept the process quiet right up until announcement. Same with the OC. I am confident they have their person and are waiting. From my vantage point, JW oozes professionalism... they got this.

I wonder how most people feel about an assistant waiting until after signing day to leave. I think that’s kind of a cheap thing to do. I understand recruiting is a harsh business. But I feel like the best thing to do for everyone concerned, is give your notice and leave - even if it’s before signing day. Be honest with the recruits as well as your employer.

 

[All4SU]

I don’t feel that Stanard’s brief audition at DC is necessarily an indication of what he can do with more time. But HCDB made the decision to hire a new DC, so it would be difficult to hand the reins back to Stanard. Tough position. Still hoping Dino can pull this out. And a big part of that just means getting the fans to believe.

 

[qdawgg]

How is he worse than the previous DC? He was thrown into it and did not get a whole off season to design his D.

Not going to continue debating it. Do your own research like I spent time doing mine and posting the stats in other threads about the topic.