QB situation going forward

[OrangeTarheel]

This!!!

I wish Courtney would tell Gilbert they aren’t even looking at him. This kind of stuff is so basic that it makes me think gilly is in over his head.

Yeah Louisville stayed at home all the time against our fakes - it’s almost like they know Dino loves running it up the middle all the time

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Bottom line is that because our OL is terrible every year, we focus too much on recruiting guys that can run for their lives.

QBs who can throw AND run for their lives get recruited by really good teams.

We can choose between guys who can throw and get killed by our perpetually bad OL, or guys who can run but can't throw his way out of a paper bag.

We need to build a real OL so we can then begin recruiting real QBs.

 

[sufandu]

Putting aside the insanity of leaving Shrader and Tucker in long after the outcome was decided, I kept wondering about our supposedly "deep" QB room.

Do we not have a guy that is a compromise between Shrader and Devito? A guy who has better legs than Devito, maybe not as good as those of Shrader, but a better arm? It might have been nice to try that guy (if he exists) for a series or two. If not in a blowout, then when?

I love Shrader when it succeeds within the limitations that we have but it also presents a ceiling on what we can ultimately do. I sadly expect some QB movement in the off-season because we have too many guys for too little eventual playing time.

Did anyone say our QB room was deep? I think we have a lot of them, but I doubt the quality is there to call it deep. If there is one on the roster that is the compromise, it's Lamson, from what some people have said. Here's hoping he's good enough to push Shrader after a redshirt year, but they're not creatng any controversy by putting him in even during garbage time. Even if he's the next McNabb, though, I still think the bigger issue is WR. Every week I see WRs on other teams, and not just elites, that make plays our guys don't.

 

[TheCusian]

All that said, not sure our O will stay bottled up. This is the part where the OC and offensive minded HC get to work on a counter to what Louisville did.

And the DC better get to work on long pass plays. Next to match ups will eat us alive if we play like we did yesterday.

 

[sufandu]

All that said, not sure our O will stay bottled up. This is the part where the OC and offensive minded HC get to work on a counter to what Louisville did.

And the DC better get to work on long pass plays. Next to match ups will eat us alive if we play like we did yesterday.

We finally had a team who's wide recievers didn't drop the ball. We've been fortunate a few games this year.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

All that said, not sure our O will stay bottled up. This is the part where the OC and offensive minded HC get to work on a counter to what Louisville did.

And the DC better get to work on long pass plays. Next to match ups will eat us alive if we play like we did yesterday.

Wasn’t the time to figure out a counter the 2 weeks you just had? It isn’t like this is a new issue. We couldn’t score on BC either.

 

[AngryOtto]

Was not able to watch the game. Was Duce just beat on pass plays or does he still not turn and look for the ball?

 

[sufandu]

Was not able to watch the game. Was Duce just beat on pass plays or does he still not turn and look for the ball?

To me, Duce was one of the few guys that seemed to show up. I think they established the run, so when we committed more to stopping that, they beat us passing. Cunningham also hurt us with his legs buying time and letting guys get open. Their WRs do things we need ours t do.

 

[elimunelson]

Putting aside the insanity of leaving Shrader and Tucker in long after the outcome was decided, I kept wondering about our supposedly "deep" QB room.

Do we not have a guy that is a compromise between Shrader and Devito? A guy who has better legs than Devito, maybe not as good as those of Shrader, but a better arm? It might have been nice to try that guy (if he exists) for a series or two. If not in a blowout, then when?

I love Shrader when it succeeds within the limitations that we have but it also presents a ceiling on what we can ultimately do. I sadly expect some QB movement in the off-season because we have too many guys for too little eventual playing time.

We need a possession wr and a home run wr

I don’t recall a wr room at Syracuse so deficient. The nadir of GERG we had better wr options

Imagine Sales or lemon w this team? We would have 2 more wins easily. They need to figure out the wr room. Absent transfers this is the worst wr recruiting coaching staff (or worst coached team in wr ever)

 

[McNabb2Brominski]

Our wideouts are not doing a good job being wideouts

Agree with this. GS is not a great thrower, but he’s not helped out at all by the receivers. In general, the WR corps is pretty bad. The only promising one is Alford but he is pretty green.

 

[rrlbees]

Putting aside the insanity of leaving Shrader and Tucker in long after the outcome was decided, I kept wondering about our supposedly "deep" QB room.

Do we not have a guy that is a compromise between Shrader and Devito? A guy who has better legs than Devito, maybe not as good as those of Shrader, but a better arm? It might have been nice to try that guy (if he exists) for a series or two. If not in a blowout, then when?

I love Shrader when it succeeds within the limitations that we have but it also presents a ceiling on what we can ultimately do. I sadly expect some QB movement in the off-season because we have too many guys for too little eventual playing time.

I’ve heard good things about Lamson as a dual threat QB. But having not seen him I can’t say if he can develop enough to beat out Shrader the next two years. We already know how tough it is to switch up QBs. Hopefully during this coming off season they work with Shrader and his mechanics. But that may not be enough without greatly improved pass blocking and receivers that can get separation and go get the ball. It would be easier if we had one area of weakness but when all 3, the QBs accuracy, pass blocking and receivers are all below average that’s a recipe for disaster.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Did anyone say our QB room was deep?

Before the season, a lot of people were saying that it was deep. Granted, that included the one who bailed during the season, but there was a lot of buzz over it at the time. Some said it was the deepest ever.

We clearly have a lot of bodies, a number of whom will never see the field, but there is no proof that it is deep in terms of quality.

 

[sufandu]

Before the season, a lot of people were saying that it was deep. Granted, that included the one who bailed during the season, but there was a lot of buzz over it at the time. Some said it was the deepest ever.

We clearly have a lot of bodies, a number of whom will never see the field, but there is no proof that it is deep in terms of quality.

I think our only hopes are Shrader making good strides, Lamson being the next Dungey, and getting WR help.

 

[PhatOrange]

Yeah Louisville stayed at home all the time against our fakes - it’s almost like they know Dino loves running it up the middle all the time

The defense barely moves when Courtney goes in motion.

 

[bothsocksup]

So you’re saying we’re screwed

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

so what I am getting is:

1 Our OL is perpetually too poor to draft an actual throw first QB
2 Our QBs can’t throw (see 1)
3 Our coaches aren’t calling the right plays
4 Our WRs are underperforming


Otherwise offense is good?

 

[FloridaFan]

Why do people think lamson is the savior? Would he not be the backup already since we have less then 4 games to go and he could redshirt still?

 

[GreekFreak]

except there are passing plays in football that can be run to his strengths, the roll out or a bootleg for example. There are plays that can mitigate some of his weaknesses and we don’t do any of them.

Quick question, When Courtney Jackson goes in motion has he ever taken one of those on a jet sweep? I’m not sure he has….it’s so stupid to run that motion a 1000x when he’s not getting the ball. That one particular thing it’s just a pet peeve of mine

to answer your question, yes Courtney has run the ball on jet sweeps. He has 4 carries for 23 yards per Cuse.com.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Why do people think lamson is the savior? Would he not be the backup already since we have less then 4 games to go and he could redshirt still?

Lamson is not a savior.

The savior isn’t coming until we get an OL good enough for us to recruit a pro style QB who can run an actual passing offense…or a true dual threat who can run AND make the throws a high level D1 QB can and should make

If Lamson could I suspect he would be elsewhere

 

[AngryOtto]

Lamson is not a savior.

The savior isn’t coming until we get an OL good enough for us to recruit a pro style QB who can run an actual passing offense…or a true dual threat who can run AND make the throws a high level D1 QB can and should make

If Lamson could I suspect he would be elsewhere

Not sure about that. His senior season was canceled and he only played varsity his junior year and was already getting looks. Not sure what he can do for us. Would not be giving up on him before he plays.
A pure pocket passer will not work at su. Reasons have been stated repeatedly before. Yes we need a decent passer. We also need better wr and a competent game plan. Gets those last two and see how things go.

 

[AZOrange]

Our whole game plan is around Shredder or Tucker breaking regular plays. The WRs and TEs are so bad. I have no idea why Johnson and Queeley play

 

[AZOrange]

I am not sure why we do not role the qb out more. Maybe it’s my perception but it seems DB wants to keep the qb in the pocket. I remember JM last year looked really good rolling from the pocket and making plays. SU had a buy and than it seemed like he was told to stay in the pocket. He did not roll out and it seemed awkward for him. I really do not see GS rolling out unless he is flushed from the pocket. Like I said my perception and could be wrong.

Generally I agree but you can’t roll a QB right when the RT is getting blown off the LOS

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Not sure about that. His senior season was canceled and he only played varsity his junior year and was already getting looks. Not sure what he can do for us. Would not be giving up on him before he plays.
A pure pocket passer will not work at su. Reasons have been stated repeatedly before. Yes we need a decent passer. We also need better wr and a competent game plan. Gets those last two and see how things go.

I understand why a pure pocket passer can’t work because we have a terrible line. Which is why I said recruiting to improve the line is paramount. But we keep getting stuck with “dual threat” guys who actually are just guys who can run but can’t throw. Can’t we ever get a dual threat that is still throw first? Or can at least make the throws needed so that when the game dictates we become a passing offense can actually be trusted to pass?

 

[OrangeDW]

Lamson is not a savior.

The savior isn’t coming until we get an OL good enough for us to recruit a pro style QB who can run an actual passing offense…or a true dual threat who can run AND make the throws a high level D1 QB can and should make

If Lamson could I suspect he would be elsewhere

The OL ain’t happening.

Shrader is fine.

Put a Brisly Estime and Etta Tawo on this team and we’re probably 7-3.

There’s no reason we can’t get at least one really fast WR that is a decent player, and either recruit and develop one relative stud(like Ishmael), or get a talented transfer that wants a bigger role like Etta Tawo.

I simply can’t believe the state of our WRs, given what we had in 16-17 - the early Babers years.

 

[FloridaFan]

Not sure about that. His senior season was canceled and he only played varsity his junior year and was already getting looks. Not sure what he can do for us. Would not be giving up on him before he plays.
A pure pocket passer will not work at su. Reasons have been stated repeatedly before. Yes we need a decent passer. We also need better wr and a competent game plan. Gets those last two and see how things go.

There isn’t a QB on the roster tnat is a “pure pocket passer” so that point is irrelevant. Lamson is a couple years from showing up I’d say especially since he didnt even play a senior season.