Question about HC future

[Alsacs]

Wildhack is a smart guy, I highly doubt a buyout is a primary reason to retain Dino.

I do think Dino will be retained, however.

What are the reasons you think Dino will be retained then?

 

[OburgOrange]

Crappy multiple choice choices. You have a glaring omission.

You renewing your seasons next year?


Dont answer that!

 

[Cusefan69]

We get over $30 million from the ACC per year. We aren’t going to need to sell a game against ND to afford Dino’s buyout. I’ve been saying for months - we have the money. ADJW’s decision is whether it’s the right way to spend those resources right now.

Is that really the ADs decision? People keep saying it's JWs decision but when big bucks are involved I would guarantee not. I think JW certainly has influence here but IF we do a buyout it's more than the buyout decision because you are also funding the new HC and staff. I would presume JW is organizing his thoughts for a discussion with the Chancellor and to offer a recommendation but also reflecting options and dollars relating to them. It's entirely plausible JW may want to move on but those who control the purse strings don't in this situation. There is allot to think about over the next week. I am sure something official will be made public soon one way or another.

 

[baggerbob]

Is that really the ADs decision? People keep saying it's JWs decision but when big bucks are involved I would guarantee not. I think JW certainly has influence here but IF we do a buyout it's more than the buyout decision because you are also funding the new HC and staff. I would presume JW is organizing his thoughts for a discussion with the Chancellor and to offer a recommendation but also reflecting options and dollars relating to them. It's entirely plausible JW may want to move on but those who control the purse strings don't in this situation. There is allot to think about over the next week. I am sure something official will be made public soon one way or another.

Schools who expect to be good move on when the record isn't what they expect. A coach in the ACC for 6 years has a 43-31 record versus our coaches 29-43. The 43-31 at Virginia Tech got let go before the end of the year.
Yet we are ok with a 29-43 record. The University doesn't seem to care, so they shouldn't expect the fans to continually show up for a bad product.

 

[Ozcuse]

Dino is going to be the coach. We aren’t making a change. JMHO.

How much revenue does the AD lose from unsold seasons, game day tickets, merchandise, diminished/cancelled donations?

The opportunity cost of doing nothing.

 

[DPCuse]

Is that really the ADs decision? People keep saying it's JWs decision but when big bucks are involved I would guarantee not. I think JW certainly has influence here but IF we do a buyout it's more than the buyout decision because you are also funding the new HC and staff. I would presume JW is organizing his thoughts for a discussion with the Chancellor and to offer a recommendation but also reflecting options and dollars relating to them. It's entirely plausible JW may want to move on but those who control the purse strings don't in this situation. There is allot to think about over the next week. I am sure something official will be made public soon one way or another.

The AD makes the recommendation but he needs the financial resources to do what he wants to do. That bubbles up to the CFO and if need be, chancellor and the trustees if it’s a big financial commitment and/or will have potential negative publicity. Basically the AD needs their consent on something of this magnitude. I’m sure he’s already had these conversations and knows what his parameters are.

 

[Cusefan69]

The AD makes the recommendation but he needs the financial resources to do what he wants to do. That bubbles up to the CFO and if need be, chancellor and the trustees if it’s a big financial commitment and/or will have potential negative publicity. Basically the AD needs their consent on something of this magnitude. I’m sure he’s already had these conversations and knows what his parameters are.

Yep...would agree.

 

[capeorange]

Forgot to add keeping Sean Tucker in Orange as a reason to keep Dino

I'd rather let the next coach sell Tucker on a new direction with our program.

Dino's proven that he can't develop a program and his choice of assistants seems poor too, son in law's dad, former o line coach and current oc.

I have all the evidence that I need.

 

[rrlbees]

How much revenue does the AD lose from unsold seasons, game day tickets, merchandise, diminished/cancelled donations?

The opportunity cost of doing nothing.

So you’re saying if SU changes coach’s attendance will spike?

 

[Alsacs]

So you’re saying if SU changes coach’s attendance will spike?

The first game of the Grob Era against WVU was almost sold out.
Crowd was energized.
New coach can create energy in fanbase.

Same for Marrone against Minnesota.

 

[Goin' Deep]

If Dino's future with CUSE is still "up in the air",Wildhack needs to conduct an interview...QUICKLY!
With him in this interview would be former players from the
'95- the Marrone era. Discuss what went wrong and what is needed to correct
another losing season. What went wrong with some in-game decisions/situations
and have those issues been corrected. Are you(Dino) happy with your coordinators and position coaches and why?
Are you happy with player development?
Just get down in the deep grass and mud.
Then have Wildhack listen to the former player impressions...don't ask what they would do.
That is Wildhack's decision.
I don't see SU firing Dino right now-he'll coach 2022. I feel like the decision has been made.

 

[rrlbees]

The first game of the Grob Era against WVU was almost sold out.
Crowd was energized.
New coach can create energy in fanbase.

Same for Marrone against Minnesota.

Not the same thing. That’s one game. Will seasons spike? Will donations spike? I responded to a specific comment.

 

[orangecuse]

Fine, but we’re not selling a game, so debating an impossible hypothetical isn’t worth spilling the virtual ink.

Actually, he's solidifying the argument, and the false narrative in how many here utter that Dino's buyout is the barrier/hindrance for not dismissing him of his failed duties. One may not like the idea, but saying it's an "impossible" hypothetical is simply not accurate. Improbable, perhaps, but certainly not "impossible."

 

[FAL]

You renewing your seasons next year?


Dont answer that!

I am…reluctantly.

 

[dasher]

Okay that is fine then saying the buyout is too high should not be the reason to keep Dino.
If he stays it should be Wildhack thinks he is the best man for the job and that goes on his ledger.

Don’t want to here we can’t afford to fire the HC. It would be BS.

What is the difference in dollars between having the game at the Dome at selling it to MetLife? We do make money from having the game at the Dome. i believe the decision to retain Dino has already been made. there are a number of factors involved. the buy out would just be one.

 

[Trueblue25]

So you’re saying if SU changes coach’s attendance will spike?

It probably would. We have to have lost a sizable chunk of our season th’s after last night

 

[Jack_Ball]

It probably would. We have to have lost a sizable chunk of our season th’s after last night

You can sell hope with a new coach...That ship has sailed with Dino. The evidence is in

 

[Trueblue25]

You can sell hope with a new coach...That ship has sailed with Dino. The evidence is in

People aren’t just disinterested, they’re now mad.

The city doesn’t like being made to feel like it has to accept stagnant garbage.

It may even be less about spiking season’s, and more about plugging the hole in the boat to save what’s left lol

 

[Ozcuse]

So you’re saying if SU changes coach’s attendance will spike?

Yes.

This isn’t rocket science.

 

[rrlbees]

We get over $30 million from the ACC per year. We aren’t going to need to sell a game against ND to afford Dino’s buyout. I’ve been saying for months - we have the money. ADJW’s decision is whether it’s the right way to spend those resources right now.

I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know but that $30m is only part of the schools revenue stream in a fiscal year. Across the country colleges lost $2B of revenue due to covid last fiscal year. SU is no doubt part of that $2B. SU went all of last fiscal year (I think, but not sure, their fiscal year is June-June or July-July?) with no football or basketball attendance, parking, concessions, souvenirs, probably a drop in donations, etc. Sure, they did not have to pay staff at the games such as ushers but I’m going to give a rough estimate based on estimated numbers.

Using an average paid attendance of 30,000 for football and 20,000 for basketball. Using 6 football games and 19 basketball games. Using an average of $50 per person for tix, parking, concessions, etc (may be a bit low).

The result is a loss in revenue of $9m for football and $19m for basketball. That’s $28m total. Almost what the ACC gives us.

So while the ACC does give us $30m the total budget took a big hit last fiscal year and probably a small hit this year due to covid concerns. So it’s not like we are spilling over with cash and tough decisions have to be made on where to spend what we do have. And of course some of our fans are promoting reducing that revenue even further.

Peace

 

[rrlbees]

Yes.

This isn’t rocket science.

How an athletics department manages a budget is rocketship science.

 

[rrlbees]

People aren’t just disinterested, they’re now mad.

The city doesn’t like being made to feel like it has to accept stagnant garbage.

It may even be less about spiking season’s, and more about plugging the hole in the boat to save what’s left lol

You’ve talked to everyone?

 

[Bayside44]

If the main reason for keeping the HC financial. Then selling a game to take the financial aspect out of the equation should be done for the greater good of the program.

All we hear is we can’t afford the buyout. Well if selling a game takes that out a change should be made by taking the financial aspect out.

Plain and simple.

The financial thing is a board urban legend up there with Chris Ashe. It just gets repeated in every thread.

 

[Cusefan69]

Actually, he's solidifying the argument, and the false narrative in how many here utter that Dino's buyout is the barrier/hindrance for not dismissing him of his failed duties. One may not like the idea, but saying it's an "impossible" hypothetical is simply not accurate. Improbable, perhaps, but certainly not "impossible."

False narrative?

 

[Briancuse]

Crappy multiple choice choices. You have a glaring omission.

Seriously lol I took the least of the bad choices.