Rasheed Sulaimon cut from Duke

[Toga]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...d-rasheed-sulaimon-s-dismissal-151341591.html

 

[bballbeadle]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...d-rasheed-sulaimon-s-dismissal-151341591.html

Fear of backlash from Duke fan base. Wow. What is amazing is that the administration knew, yet did nothing, I guess because the women didn't make a formal charge. I wonder if K's knowledge of the allegations last year caused him to decrease Sulaimon's playing time (?). From the coach's perspective, you know you have an athlete "informally" accused, but you apparently can't do anything? I know we are in a serious glass house here, so I am not meaning to throw stones.

Did the problems we have with the same allegations provoke an NCAA inquiry? They must have been content to let us handle it internally. My memory of events is not solid.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Fear of backlash from Duke fan base. Wow. What is amazing is that the administration knew, yet did nothing, I guess because the women didn't make a formal charge. I wonder if K's knowledge of the allegations last year caused him to decrease Sulaimon's playing time (?). From the coach's perspective, you know you have an athlete "informally" accused, but you apparently can't do anything? I know we are in a serious glass house here, so I am not meaning to throw stones.

Did the problems we have with the same allegations provoke an NCAA inquiry? They must have been content to let us handle it internally. My memory of events is not solid.

Glad you mentioned the glass houses, I nearly said the same thing. Flynn, Jackson, and Scoop did have their case investigated in court, but I don't remember them sitting at all during that time. And just because it couldn't be proven doesn't mean it didn't happen. Who knows why two different women are assaulted allegedly by the same kid but neither presses charges either through the justice system or the University system. Seems fishy to me.

 

[jordoo]

If the Duke Athletic department and Basketball people reported it to someone in the Duke administration further up the line I'm not sure what else they should have done if there was no official complaint or charges filed. I'm not saying they are right or wrong and I don't know the rules but if nothing official was lodged by the woman its possible their hands were tied in some sense because of student privacy laws and such.

 

[CuseIsInTheHouse]

That looks really, really bad.

 

[Kevind13]

If the Duke Athletic department and Basketball people reported it to someone in the Duke administration further up the line I'm not sure what else they should have done if there was no official complaint or charges filed. I'm not saying they are right or wrong and I don't know the rules but if nothing official was lodged by the woman its possible their hands were tied in some sense because of student privacy laws and such.

"Title IX laws require almost all university employees to report any sexual assault allegations they have knowledge of to a supervisor, campus police, or the Student Conduct office,even if no official complaint has been lodged."

violation of federal law by not reporting it

 

[Jack Hall]

"Title IX laws require almost all university employees to report any s e xual assault allegations they have knowledge of to a supervisor, campus police, or the Student Conduct office,even if no official complaint has been lodged."

violation of federal law by not reporting it

They probably eventually did, which is why RS is gone now. The question is was it timely enough, in the end i dont see anything sticking to an institution as privileged and arrogant as Duke, too many savvy powerful people come from that school.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Completely off topic, but saw something worse this weekend. Coach at the local girl's Catholic HS collapsed on the bench with less than a minute to go. We all sat there and watched as fans from the crowd rushed to his side and started chest compressions and use of the Automatic Defibrillator. As soon as they started in on those I stood up and shielded my son and his friend.

Coach was resuscitated and the game will be completed on Thursday.

http://www.wcax.com/story/28230219/rice-coach-resting-comfortably-after-collapse-at-d-1-semifinals

It was very good to see him raise both hands as they wheeled him out.

 

[Kevind13]

They probably eventually did, which is why RS is gone now. The question is was it timely enough, in the end i dont see anything sticking to an institution as privileged and arrogant as Duke, too many savvy powerful people come from that school.

according to the report someone within the university heard an intern talking about "the next big duke scnadal" on 1/21/15 and started asking questions. then suliamon gets let go on 1/28/15

 

[DeGrozz]

"Title IX laws require almost all university employees to report any s e xual assault allegations they have knowledge of to a supervisor, campus police, or the Student Conduct office,even if no official complaint has been lodged."

violation of federal law by not reporting it

I read the article quickly by while having lunch, but it sounded like everyone did know about it. The question I had was what are supervisors supposed to do with the unreported allegations when they receive the info? I don't think the article said.

It's a really difficult spot to be in though. As a coach, you are hearing allegations of assault, through the grapevine, with no real evidence being presented, and no victims willing to go on the record about what happened. Do you suspend a player for that? It also didn't come out why RS was eventually suspended. Could it have been the case that Duke did investigate and when they believed they reached a reasonable conclusion they decided to suspend him? Or maybe one of the victims mustered up the courage to go on the record about what happened? There are too many holes in the story currently to come to a reasonable conclusion about what happened leading up to the suspension. After the Bernie fiasco, I try not to jump on the witch hunt bandwagon on day 1 of stories like these. There'll be plenty of information coming out in the next few weeks to base an opinion on how Duke handled it.

 

[jordoo]

"Title IX laws require almost all university employees to report any s e xual assault allegations they have knowledge of to a supervisor, campus police, or the Student Conduct office,even if no official complaint has been lodged."

violation of federal law by not reporting it

Ok but whom at the school is ultimately responsible for this. Does the athletic department say normally go up the chain of command when they hear and its then the overall school administrative responsibility? I don't know or maybe each person who hears by that law is in fact responsible to go to an authority and tell what they know or at least make sure that someone has.

 

[Kevind13]

I read the article quickly by while having lunch, but it sounded like everyone did know about it. The question I had was what are supervisors supposed to do with the unreported allegations when they receive the info? I don't think the article said.

It's a really difficult spot to be in though. As a coach, you are hearing allegations of assault, through the grapevine, with no real evidence being presented, and no victims willing to go on the record about what happened. Do you suspend a player for that? It also didn't come out why RS was eventually suspended. Could it have been the case that Duke did investigate and when they believed they reached a reasonable conclusion they decided to suspend him? Or maybe one of the victims mustered up the courage to go on the record about what happened? There are too many holes in the story currently to come to a reasonable conclusion about what happened leading up to the suspension. After the Bernie fiasco, I try not to jump on the witch hunt bandwagon on day 1 of stories like these. There'll be plenty of information coming out in the next few weeks to base an opinion on how Duke handled it.

from the report:

"Even if a student chooses not to file a complaint, however, the University is legally obligated by Title IX to look into any indications of sexual assault. If the Office of Student Conduct receives information about a possible assault with a student perpetrator, the protocol is to investigate to whatever extent is possible", Wasiolek said.

 

[Kevind13]

Ok but whom at the school is ultimately responsible for this. Does the athletic department say normally go up the chain of command when they hear and its then the overall school administrative responsibility? I don't know or maybe each person who hears by that law is in fact responsible to go to an authority and tell what they know or at least make sure that someone has.

looks like they have to report it to the student conduct office.

 

[jordoo]

looks like they have to report it to the student conduct office.

And apparently none of the people on any level that heard about that did. If that's the case it sure sounds like they messed up.

 

[Toga]

K declines comment.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mike-k...out-rasheed-sulaimon-situation-172046981.html

 

[Jack Hall]

K declines comment.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mike-k...out-rasheed-sulaimon-situation-172046981.html

Yes that article is not good, it could be inferred from that article that the only reason RS was let go from the team was because Wensley was about to make a big stink. For everyone involved hope thats not the case

 

[pearl31]

This has the potential to get very ugly, depending on what more comes out and what the media is willing to do with it. Right now, based on available info, Duke looks pretty bad in this.

 

[Jack Hall]

This has the potential to get very ugly, depending on what more comes out and what the media is willing to do with it. Right now, based on available info, Duke looks pretty bad in this.

How could K say, when RS was let go, we let him go because he couldnt live up to the standards of the program? Knowing what we know know that makes it look like K is judging RS guilty of the accusations. Ie why wouldnt he just say he is being suspended pending a confidential investigation? Just a very all around difficult situation

 

[JCDATHIRD]

This has the potential to get very ugly, depending on what more comes out and what the media is willing to do with it. Right now, based on available info, Duke looks pretty bad in this.

Cuse this year, Duke next year and UNC for the two after that? Post season bans reign supreme in the ACC

 

[iommi]

Cuse this year, Duke next year and UNC for the two after that? Post season bans reign supreme in the ACC

Duke, the sacred cow, will not receive a post season ban. I'd be surprised if they even get any sort of NCAA punishment.

 

[jordoo]

Duke, the sacred cow, will not receive a post season ban. I'd be surprised if they even get any sort of NCAA punishment.

Meanwhile we are on round 2 of being the sacrificial lamb.

 

[Toga]

Duke, the sacred cow, will not receive a post season ban. I'd be surprised if they even get any sort of NCAA punishment.

see Corey Maggette - not even a report was done (edit - issued) let alone penalties.

 

[pearl31]

Duke, the sacred cow, will not receive a post season ban. I'd be surprised if they even get any sort of NCAA punishment.

You're probably right. Which is part of why I stated it could get ugly - if the information coming out is damning, and the media actually report on it, and the NCAA does nothing... and, actually, I believe this Title IX sexual assault stuff supercedes the NCAA - it actually gets the Feds involved

 

[itsbotime]

see Corey Maggette - not even a report was done (edit - issued) let alone penalties.

Also see Lance Thomas bling, Duke starter popping up on Instagram in luxury suite of Chicago concert with a famous rapper earlier this season, academic scandal in the 90's that made OTL but had no NCAA repercussions, etc.

 

[orange79]

Duke not currently investigating Rasheed Sulaimon for sexual assault