Class of 2016 RB Robert Washington (NC) to UNC Charlotte

[CuseLegacy]

For those better informed of the rules, what contact if any can HCSS have with Robert between now and 4/25? Twitter, text, e-mail, phone, in-person, carrier pigeon, etc.?

No in person unless the Washingtons take a trip to Syracuse.

 

[phil77]

So in theory a coach can just send a message to a recruit on twitter asking him to call him...

 

[TheCusian]

Exclusive image from Shafer/Washington meeting today!

 

[Toga]

Rotary telephone or beeper or games of charades. Nothing else.

 

[CaliLuv808]

Recruiting is like trying to get the hot girl. Some hot girls like the attention and need constant massaging of their egos. Some hot girls like when guys play hard to get.

There is no right formula. These coaches have been doing this a lot more years than I have.

The one thing I will say is that we don't know what the plan is as it relates to each individual recruit. We are not privy to the closed-door conversations. What may be in the best interest of one program who needs to make headway in a recruiting battle may not make sense for a program who has already done the legwork with the relationship and is now just trying to time things right and close the deal.

Again, I'm not sure what the scenario is in this case and how the relationship was built and how it has developed. I just know that there are (at least there should be, in theory) plans in place for these scenarios and situations.

If there aren't, then we'll be looking for another football coach sooner rather than later.

I'm not saying that the "hot girl" remark was directed any certain way but I will address it as it pertains to Robert. The kid was offered by a SEC program in the 8th grade so believe me he knows the process well. Second when you have so many offers you stop reporting them your not looking for any attention. Because his offer list is really more like 61 than the 43 that he reported. My point attention is the last thing he wants.

Maybe it comes down to certain coaches not knowing how to recruit certain types of athletes. No fought on either side. This is not directed at Syracuse just a comment example so don't lose your mind. Follow me on this one because it's a lot of food for though in it. You have certain fans looking around and say "goosh darn" why haven't we landed certain players. Hummm we have great academics, great fan base, famous alums, we play major football, ect. Then their certain fan bases with less to offer that know they will land certain players. Then it becomes a habit and trend because by landing certain players it starts to reflect on the record sheet. Then more prospects follow and it turns into a national championship or multiple winning seasons and top 25 appearances. Now your rolling. Maybe all of this starts with recruiting. Maybe it doesn't. I look at TCU as a perfect example of this. How did he build a small private school in Texas with all the schools in that state and surrounding areas that he has to recruit against into a consistent top 25 program???

 

[CaliLuv808]

Cali - Does Robert feel it is a slight or disrespectful that Shafer has not reached out to him, or is it kind of not a big deal and you're just giving us some insight into things.

No he doesn't feel slighted. I'm just giving insight.

 

[CaliLuv808]

Twitter DM I believe is allowed just about whenever. In person, it would have to be a visit to campus, as he's not allowed to make any trips. As far as phone...I could be wrong, but I think phone calls are supposed to be initiated by the recruit. But again, I could be wrong. It's been a little while since I've looked at the regulations so they may have changed.

No phone calls is allowed at this point. But twitter DM communication is allowed after Sept 1 of a prospects junior year.

 

[CaliLuv808]

No in person unless the Washingtons take a trip to Syracuse.

Coaches can visit during certain periods I believe they call it evaluation period. HC can come at certain times as well. I think only once. Several HC have visited the school and his coaches to let his coaching staff know their interest. They can't visit with the prospect. They can only say hello if the prospect is "so happen" in the area.

At the very least after Sept 1 of last year a HC could DM if nothing else

 

[Bambrewer]

 

[CaliLuv808]

So in theory a coach can just send a message to a recruit on twitter asking him to call him...

Yup

 

[jekelish]

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So, going by that - Coach Shafer can make a phone call on April 15?

I'm going to be honest...if we don't find out that he does so, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. But I'm getting the gut feeling he'll be at least setting up a time either on that day or a day that works for Robert. Fingers are crossed. Four on each hand!

 

[CuseLegacy]

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Yes and no off campus contact, accept to say hello, until after July 1st of the recruits Junior year. The evaluation period, which starts next week 4/15 is for coaches to visit with the school and evaluate two things athletics and academics.

Evaluation Period — It's permissible for authorized athletics department staff to be involved in off-campus activities to assess academic qualifications and playing abilities. No in-person, off-campus recruiting contacts with a prospect are permitted during these evaluations: the college coaches are only allowed to attend athletic events and/or the prospect's school and talk to the high school coaches and school administrators but they are not allowed to speak to the recuit during one of thes visits except to say "hello." Colleges are allowed a total of approximatley 168 days each year to conduct evaluations for all of their prospective recruits.

 

[anomander]

So in theory a coach can just send a message to a recruit on twitter asking him to call him...

That's how a lot of it works. Or the college coach can get in touch with the HS HC. It's pretty easy to let the recruit know you want to speak.

 

[JrodCuse]

Wait a second! That changes everything. So Shafer will be able to fly down to NC and meet Robert at his school from the 15th (or 16th depending on how the rules are set) until the 25th when he makes his decision? That would be so amazing. One would hope that is part of the plan.

 

[orangepassion]

Cali

When Steven was being recruited, he didn't talk to Coach Shafer much, not even on twitter. Most of the back and forth was between Coach Bullough, Coach Daoust, and Steven. Coach Shafer wanted to make absolutely certain that he wouldn't violate NCAA rules concerning contact by head coaches.

Are there different rules for Head Coaches VS assistant Coaches?

 

[SUFan44]

I'm not saying that the "hot girl" remark was directed any certain way but I will address it as it pertains to Robert. The kid was offered by a SEC program in the 8th grade so believe me he knows the process well. Second when you have so many offers you stop reporting them your not looking for any attention. Because his offer list is really more like 61 than the 43 that he reported. My point attention is the last thing he wants.

Maybe it comes down to certain coaches not knowing how to recruit certain types of athletes. No fought on either side. This is not directed at Syracuse just a comment example so don't lose your mind. Follow me on this one because it's a lot of food for though in it. You have certain fans looking around and say "goosh darn" why haven't we landed certain players. Hummm we have great academics, great fan base, famous alums, we play major football, ect. Then their certain fan bases with less to offer that know they will land certain players. Then it becomes a habit and trend because by landing certain players it starts to reflect on the record sheet. Then more prospects follow and it turns into a national championship or multiple winning seasons and top 25 appearances. Now your rolling. Maybe all of this starts with recruiting. Maybe it doesn't. I look at TCU as a perfect example of this. How did he build a small private school in Texas with all the schools in that state and surrounding areas that he has to recruit against into a consistent top 25 program???

It wasn't directed any which way - just saying that there is no certain "way" to go about these recruiting battles. So, in my opinion, it's unfair to judge until the whole process runs its course. Over the last few years we have beat out a number of top-tier schools for prospects. Have we picked up a commitment from a Top 100 kid? No. But this staff has recruited other players with other offers before. Should they treat Robert differently than they do other top prospects they recruit? I don't know. I'm not the person making these types of decisions.

Am I saying I know for a fact all these guys on our staff have what it takes to seal the deal with high quality talent? I am not saying that at all. Do I have any inside information on any of these interactions? No, I don't. And it is clear that you do and I fully respect that. I guess I'm willing to give this group the benefit of the doubt a little bit in this area, because it's one of the few (along with defense) that they've proven they can adequately handle.

Using TCU is a terrible example. TCU is in the Top 25 because they had a boatload of money to invest into their program. TCU spent more on its program than any other school in Texas - including UT, Texas A&M, Baylor, Texas Tech. In fact, Alabama, Wisconsin, Auburn and Notre Dame are the only schools that spend more (http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews...e-football-than-any-other-team-in-texas.html/).

Syracuse has started to spend on its infrastructure. The new Indoor Practice Facility is a big step. I have no doubts that there are other upgrades to the Dome on the way in the future. And I also have no doubt that if Shafer & Co. do not prove that they can get the job done, money will be spent to find replacements that can.

 

[CaliLuv808]

It wasn't directed any which way - just saying that there is no certain "way" to go about these recruiting battles. So, in my opinion, it's unfair to judge until the whole process runs its course. Over the last few years we have beat out a number of top-tier schools for prospects. Have we picked up a commitment from a Top 100 kid? No. But this staff has recruited other players with other offers before. Should they treat Robert differently than they do other top prospects they recruit? I don't know. I'm not the person making these types of decisions.

Am I saying I know for a fact all these guys on our staff have what it takes to seal the deal with high quality talent? I am not saying that at all. Do I have any inside information on any of these interactions? No, I don't. And it is clear that you do and I fully respect that. I guess I'm willing to give this group the benefit of the doubt a little bit in this area, because it's one of the few (along with defense) that they've proven they can adequately handle.

Using TCU is a terrible example. TCU is in the Top 25 because they had a boatload of money to invest into their program. TCU spent more on its program than any other school in Texas - including UT, Texas A&M, Baylor, Texas Tech. In fact, Alabama, Wisconsin, Auburn and Notre Dame are the only schools that spend more (http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews...e-football-than-any-other-team-in-texas.html/).

Syracuse has started to spend on its infrastructure. The new Indoor Practice Facility is a big step. I have no doubts that there are other upgrades to the Dome on the way in the future. And I also have no doubt that if Shafer & Co. do not prove that they can get the job done, money will be spent to find replacements that can.

I have stated that everyone process is being respected. Nothing negative there. I responded to questions and gave honest feedback to my knowledge and my gut feeling.

I have realize honesty is not always welcomed. I'm going to take a break from this forum. I don't want anything taken out of context when I give insight. So best wishes to all good luck!

 

[anomander]

I have stated that everyone process is being respected. Nothing negative there. I responded to questions and gave honest feedback to my knowledge and my gut feeling.

I have realize honesty is not always welcomed. I'm going to take a break from this forum. I don't want anything taken out of context when I give insight. So best wishes to all good luck!

Honesty is always welcome. I just think some people have a tough time accepting it if it doesn't fit their narrative.

 

[NJCuse97]

For the record there's no way Eric White got permission to offer from Wheatley. They were never at Syracuse at the same time. Just sayin'.

 

[CuseLegacy]

For the record there's no way Eric White got permission to offer from Wheatley. They were never at Syracuse at the same time. Just sayin'.

Webs.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Wait a second! That changes everything. So Shafer will be able to fly down to NC and meet Robert at his school from the 15th (or 16th depending on how the rules are set) until the 25th when he makes his decision? That would be so amazing. One would hope that is part of the plan.

NO. No contact from any of the coaching staff except a passing in the hallway hello. And considering that we are on probation with the NCAA I doubt there would even be that hello.

 

[SUFan44]

Honesty is always welcome. I just think some people have a tough time accepting it if it doesn't fit their narrative.

What's my narrative? That I will give the coaches the benefit of the doubt on how they want to communicate with their recruits? Sorry for having that belief.

Maybe I shouldn't, and maybe they have no idea what their talking about. If that's the case, they'll be gone. Simple as that.

 

[TheCusian]

What's my narrative? That I will give the coaches the benefit of the doubt on how they want to communicate with their recruits? Sorry for having that belief. Maybe I shouldn't, and maybe they have no idea what their talking about. If that's the case, they'll be gone. Simple as that.

Def not the thread to pick a fight in... It will all sort itself out soon enough.

 

[SUFan44]

Def not the thread to pick a fight in... It will all sort itself out soon enough.

Not trying to start a "fight" at all. Just trying to bring an alternative perspective, because the bashing of how the coaching staff has been handling the recruitment was a bit over the top in my opinion.

 

[TheCusian]

Not trying to start a "fight" at all. Just trying to bring an alternative perspective, because the bashing of how the coaching staff has been handling the recruitment was a bit over the top in my opinion.

Yeah - sorry "fight" was a little harsh.

Let's just say that I'd bet that three things are happening (pure speculation):

1. The staff is being ultra-careful due to the recent NCAA stuff.
2. The 44 debate is being hindered by the AD situation.
3. The staff is aware of this thread and are taking steps to fix it.