Red

[tptcuse]

“The program is all but destroyed.” Talk about melodramatic hyperbole. Millions of fans might be frustrated with the current product and the decline in recent success but they still love Syracuse basketball and anticipate an eventual resurgence. If Red can’t turn things around soon, the athletic dept will hire someone who can, and it can happen fast (Louisville being the latest example.). The program is not destroyed.

We've lost fifteen games by more than ten points in a season and a half. Honest question: What would need to happen for this to be considered dire for the program?

 

[hoopsupstate]

I wonder what's going to happen if there is a mass exodus on the roster this off-season. We have a bunch of seniors graduating; they are:

• Taylor
• Carlos
• McLeod
• Davis
• Lampkin

Then, we have a bunch of players who MIGHT [emphasis on, "might"] decide to transfer, for various reasons:

• It is highly likely that Westry will opt out.
• Would anyone be surprised if Bell decided to leave?
• Cuffe, due to intermittent playing time?
• Moore, due to getting "Booheimed" after being inserted into the starting lineup?

I won't list Freeman with this group above, but not out of the realm of possibility.

Who's left?

• JJ
• Majstrorovic
• Anthony
• White

Really, those four are the only four locked in at this point. They could be joined by a couple of players from that middle group, but TBD how that works out.

This is approaching the territory of what our roster would have looked like if JB had been retained for one more year, in 23-24.

There’s two other freshman too.

 

[kcsu]

My gawd. WHY???? Because THEN we will know it's time to move on? I mean, come on. The damn writing is on the wall. The narrative last year was this season was tournament or bust. We're beyond bust, we blow so badly. It is so apparent that as a program right now, we are low ACC caliber and it's a culmination of poor coaching, talent acquisition, talent assessment, roster construction and management.

Why? Seriously don't you know the answer?
Hint $$$

 

[kcsu]

I pray this ages better in the long run. It appears clear we need a PG that can dominate & get to the hoop or FT line at will. That is priority #1. TYJM.

An offensively focused Center that can't jump, block shots and doesn't even have any focus on Def should not be a top priority.

Gotta hand it to Dry rub here to some extent anyways, he out negotiated SU. But at the same time he sabotaged his teams potential.

He is now known as The dry Hump

 

[Nicknack]

Why? Seriously don't you know the answer?
Hint $$$

Okay, I can understand that. However, that's not at all what you were saying in your post which is why I commented that way.

 

[RF2044]

My gawd. WHY???? Because THEN we will know it's time to move on? I mean, come on. The damn writing is on the wall. The narrative last year was this season was tournament or bust. We're beyond bust, we blow so badly. It is so apparent that as a program right now, we are low ACC caliber and it's a culmination of poor coaching, talent acquisition, talent assessment, roster construction and management.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

 

[RF2044]

I think we can stop the Red cant coach Baloney. Thank God JW made the right call.

A valiant, rationalized, final attempt to cling to confirmatory bias before the truth become too impossible to ignore anymore.

 

[cardiac]

I wonder what's going to happen if there is a mass exodus on the roster this off-season. We have a bunch of seniors graduating; they are:

• Taylor
• Carlos
• McLeod
• Davis
• Lampkin

Then, we have a bunch of players who MIGHT [emphasis on, "might"] decide to transfer, for various reasons:

• It is highly likely that Westry will opt out.
• Would anyone be surprised if Bell decided to leave?
• Cuffe, due to intermittent playing time?
• Moore, due to getting "Booheimed" after being inserted into the starting lineup?

I won't list Freeman with this group above, but not out of the realm of possibility.

Who's left?

• JJ
• Majstrorovic
• Anthony
• White

Really, those four are the only four locked in at this point. They could be joined by a couple of players from that middle group, but TBD how that works out.

This is approaching the territory of what our roster would have looked like if JB had been retained for one more year, in 23-24.

JJ is NOT a lock to come back

 

[Cusefan95]

Why? Seriously don't you know the answer?
Hint $$$

Syracuse has done before what it’s about to do again. Attendance was dropping in football but had “settled in” at about 35K/game in GRob’s 2nd and 3rd year. Then the university decided to give him a fourth year, mostly due to $$$$$. Then that 2008 season, attendance was about 30K minus the Penn State game and the university was putting out sad articles about how fans not coming was hurting finances and was going to make it hard to recover. In other words, saving money by not firing a coach doesn’t save money (or nearly as much as expected) - instead of having an added expense in paying two coaches, you have less revenue.

I agree with you based on history - Red is going to get another year, but he’s incompetent and couldn’t lead a pack of hungry wolves to meat so I don’t care who he’s got on the roster - next year is going to be mediocre at best. Another trainwreck is possible. Fans are going to stay away in droves, and we’ll get articles and statements from the school talking about how badly that revenue is needed to support basketball - basically telling fans it’s their fault the team is awful. That didn’t play well in football; I think it will play even less well in basketball due to differences in the overall fan profiles.

On the plus side - Kent doesn’t seem like the type to tell fans to get a life, and JW is unlikely to describe Syracuse as a one horse town…so we might be able to avoid the PR clownshow we went through the last time.

 

[JonB]

Why? Seriously don't you know the answer?
Hint $$$

Exactly. Won’t pay a big time coach. Little NIL. Those things change, and it’s a competitive program.