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What teams are successful today with point guards similar to edelin?I would love another Billy Edelin
What teams are successful today with point guards similar to edelin?I would love another Billy Edelin
To punch other coaches?Is Red the same age/class as the Fab 5?
He should offer Juwan Howard a spot on the staff if they have any relationship. I'm sure he'd prefer NBA but you never know.
Dang. Beat me to itWhy? So he can beat someone up?
Or... maybe you just don't understand what a motion offense is. The conepts they were running were a motion offense. Their consistent execution of those conepts was the issue. But, it was a system.If you want to call that motion, be my guest.
Yeah, ridiculous. A transition offense is a fastbreak offense that will - brace yourself - transition into the regular offense if the first look is not there.I think this is ridiculous conversation. Teams that like to run still have to do something in the half court.
I personally liked Wooden's system. Bring in 5 star talent year
after year and let them do their thing. No "system" is a universal
formula for success. The best coaches work with the talent they
have and try to maximize individual skills within a team concept.
When the sum is greater than the total of the individual pieces you
have a great "system".
Or... maybe you just don't understand what a motion offense is. The conepts they were running were a motion offense. Their consistent execution of those conepts was the issue. But, it was a system.
Yeah, ridiculous. A transition offense is a fastbreak offense that will - brace yourself - transition into the regular offense if the first look is not there.
Probably the most outrageous post i've seen on this board.Is Red the same age/class as the Fab 5?
He should offer Juwan Howard a spot on the staff if they have any relationship. I'm sure he'd prefer NBA but you never know.
To be fair he did win some before Alcindor and after Walton.And not just any five stars. That included Alcindor (the best college player ever) and Bill Walton (one of the best ever).
If we had got Bron and say Luka to come to Cuse and paired them with all-Americans respectively, people probably would be waxing a bit more poetic about JB (not taking anything away from JB’s many accomplishments, obviously). But y’all get the point.
What kind of motion offense has the ball stay in the point guards hands the whole possession all the timeOr... maybe you just don't understand what a motion offense is. The conepts they were running were a motion offense. Their consistent execution of those conepts was the issue. But, it was a system.
Yeah, ridiculous. A transition offense is a fastbreak offense that will - brace yourself - transition into the regular offense if the first look is not there.
Ridiculous hyperbole aside, do you think the PG plays that way at times b/c Red doesn't have an offensive system?What kind of motion offense has the ball stay in the point guards hands the whole possession all the time
If the question is "What value did Straughn being as a coach?" I think it's hard to say.Yeah it's interesting in that nobody has really answered the question.
What teams are successful today with point guards similar to edelin?
Still working that Agenda I see. If Red was spitballing, what was our previous coach doing?Spitball. Wall.
Let players run around.
I don't understand wanting mintz to play like he did or allowing it. Hopefully next year we see something better and we won't have to resort to ridiculous hyperbole in describing it as a motion offenseRidiculous hyperbole aside, do you think the PG plays that way at times b/c Red doesn't have an offensive system?
That 4 out offense and the transition offense were on display from the 1st game. It's pretty easy to go back and check game tapes. Here's a start:You don't have to get salty. The offense you described was seldom on display for the first 3 months of the season.
I agree they are four outThat 4 out offense and the transition offense were on display from the 1st game. It's pretty easy to go back and check game tapes. Here's a start:
Colgate 11/14/23
Gonzaga 11/21/23
Pitt 12/30/23
Miami 1/20/24
I agree with the bolded. JM is a combo guard playing PG. He dominated the ball, forced his scoring opportunities way too often, and struggled with decision making most of the season. In a way, he was a victim of his own success. Few defenders could stay in front of him. He needed to develop more of PG mentality for the motion offense - any offense for that matter - to be more effective.I don't understand wanting mintz to play like he did it allowing it. Hopefully next year we see something better and we won't have to resort to ridiculous hyperbole in describing it as a motion offense
Look they had a 55 point half with Judah getting 0. Then we scored 32 the second half and Judah got 15, and we almost blew the game.If the question is "What value did Straughn being as a coach?" I think it's hard to say.
He had a reputation as an analysis guy who could help the offensive design and game plan.
I saw no real evidence of that. Every so often, we would run something that looked like a play, and I'd get hopeful... "That must be what they're working on!" And then we would never see it again.
There is no cohesive, repeated offense except the isolation.
As I've stated before, when you've got an elite isolation player like Judah freaking Mintz, sometimes you let him play isolation until the opposition shows they can stop it.
The problem comes when Mintz had been stopped. We never figured out how to score consistently when Mintz wasn't getting to the basket and/or the free throw line.
General 20 did a breakdown post where Syracuse started rolling Brown after the pick and making teams pay for hedging on the dribbler by getting Brown the ball in the middle... Then we stopped it. We had some games where Bell had a ton of movement off the ball and earned open looks. Then we stopped it.
It felt like we just never got an offensive identity other than "Give it to Mintz and watch."
That isn't going to work next year. Maybe Mintz was the problem?
Straughn didn't seem to be some world beating offensive game planner who made the team better. If that was his role, he hasn't reached tenure yet.
If he's really just a recruiter, then that's important, but the team needs to win, not just recruit.
Whatever you say. I didn't think they played archaic iso ball well but I do think they played archaic iso ball"Jim Boeheim didn't have a system on defense."
"Sure, he did. the 2-3 zone."
"Yeah, but they didn't play it well, so doesn't count"
That's the level of debate we're seeing here.
JJ and Mintz did that often. I would send you a link but you’d just ignore it so why bother.Whatever you say. I didn't think they played archaic iso ball well but I do think they played archaic iso ball
The biggest drawback of motion offenses out can take the back out of the hands of your main scorer. If only that were a problem at SU
How often did mintz pass and cut where bell had to fill or pass and screen away for bell.
Bell just parked all year
Mintz just dominated the ball year
This is a good point... Mintz being great at beating his man one on one as an individual does not make the team offense great.Look they had a 55 point half with Judah getting 0. Then we scored 32 the second half and Judah got 15, and we almost blew the game.