Referee Justin Porterfield

[atlanticuse]

This was our elite eight.

So much on the line for the right call.

Maybe if we were better 50% FT or Kiyan himself could make free throws or defend a 3-point shooter… this would be a non issue.

 

[Dcuse]

Typo on decode > decide. Other than that, which words didn’t you understand?

Kiyan was moving in for, literally, a game winning layup and was HACKED on the arm. Your whole post was a typo. I guess that’s what I didn’t understand.

 

[upperdeck]

The deflected ball call was a tough call. I get that. But for one ref, he has to make a call. Why would a ref out by half court come in and make a call when there is zero chance he would make the correct call. The baseline ref has 2 chances to get it right. One he can see the deflection, or 2, he can see if the ball changes direction. But he chose option three, I see nothing. On top of that the ref who then comes in and just flat makes up a call, which in many ways is even worse.

And on the final hack play as the ball is moving the ref has to be attempting to get in position to see what is happening. Much like when plays happen at the plate and the home plate ump tries to move to see the tag. That ref needs to slide just a step or 2, not just stand like a statue.

 

[tbonezone]

Have you ever been an umpire or referee ? not an easy job. thankless. judge not lest ye be judged .

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Have you ever been an umpire or referee ? not an easy job. thankless. judge not lest ye be judged .

It's a terrible job. But you can't half-ass it.

If you make a mistake, set your ego aside, man up and admit you blew the call.

Even Froggy admitted he blew a call against SU once.

 

[tbonezone]

HOFSTRA was whistled 15 times and took just 6 fts. SU had just 11 fouls and took 16 fts.

 

[kuethstheman]

HOFSTRA was whistled 15 times and took just 6 fts. SU had just 11 fouls and took 16 fts.

Until the last few minutes, I thought the refs helped us quite a bit. Not so much after that.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Kiyan was moving in for, literally, a game winning layup and was HACKED on the arm. Your whole post was a typo. I guess that’s what I didn’t understand.

I literally said it was a bad [no] call. No one is disagreeing that he was “hacked.” Not sure how you missed that, or why you needed to distort what I wrote. What I don’t understand is why you “decoded” to react to a post like a douche.

Point is, refs are human. They either see or don’t see something. The guy screwed the pooch.

They’re paid to do a job which involves vision and judgment. They can’t see everything. Just like we only see from the camera’s perspective, we don’t see every call or every missed call. They also missed calls where we fouled someone, but your panties don’t get bunched over that, do they?

 

[Dcuse]

I literally said it was a bad [no] call. No one is disagreeing that he was “hacked.” Not sure how you missed that, or why you needed to distort what I wrote. What I don’t understand is why you “decoded” to react to a post like a douche.

Point is, refs are human. They either see or don’t see something. The guy screwed the pooch.

They’re paid to do a job which involves vision and judgment. They can’t see everything. Just like we only see from the camera’s perspective, we don’t see every call or every missed call. They also missed calls where we fouled someone, but your panties don’t get bunched over that, do they?

Go read your own post. You’re the one who said you can’t blame a ref for missing a call……..a call the game hinged on. You also said Kiyan was out of control and behind the backboard or something to that effect. That was a ridiculous statement so just own it. You sound like you may have been a referee or are currently who has been criticized a bit. It is a VERY tough job. But when a call or no call costs you a critical game, it goes with the territory. Don’t come on a Syracuse board and defend referees after what happened yesterday.

 

[AZOrange]

Would’ve missed the FTs anyway

 

[AZOrange]

The fact that we had 3 fouls to give with a min left says a lot about the D we played most of the game

 

[CardiacCuse]

The deflected ball call was a tough call. I get that. But for one ref, he has to make a call. Why would a ref out by half court come in and make a call when there is zero chance he would make the correct call. The baseline ref has 2 chances to get it right. One he can see the deflection, or 2, he can see if the ball changes direction. But he chose option three, I see nothing. On top of that the ref who then comes in and just flat makes up a call, which in many ways is even worse.

And on the final hack play as the ball is moving the ref has to be attempting to get in position to see what is happening. Much like when plays happen at the plate and the home plate ump tries to move to see the tag. That ref needs to slide just a step or 2, not just stand like a statue.

dont even mention the spin move call on sadiq white when absolutelt no contact was made

the poor level of reffing in ncaabb makes it hard to stay invested

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Go read your own post. You’re the one who said you can’t blame a ref for missing a call……..a call the game hinged on. You also said Kiyan was out of control and behind the backboard or something to that effect. That was a ridiculous statement so just own it. You sound like you may have been a referee or are currently who has been criticized a bit. It is a VERY tough job. But when a call or no call costs you a critical game, it goes with the territory. Don’t come on a Syracuse board and defend referees after what happened yesterday.

I own what I wrote. Whatever Kiyan’s position was, it had nothing to do with the ref missing the call. I didn’t assert otherwise.

You continue to make stupid assumptions. No, never have been a referee. As I said, I just recognize that they can’t see everything. You can’t recognize that it goes both ways. You sound like one of those people who irrationally thinks the refs are out to get us. He missed it or misinterpreted what he saw. That’s the bottom line. It happens. Critical game or not—that doesn’t affect whether someone sees something or not. Kinda dumb to think otherwise.

Yeah, no, I’ve been here for a while. I think I’ll stay. I said in the original post that he missed the call. You seem to need to erect strawmen to rationalize a childish response. I said it’s ‘sad’ that we were in a position against Hofstra where that decided the game. It that was too figurative of a statement for you, maybe you could stick to the Football side…. I’m not going to write ‘down’ to your level. Sad, also, that you couldn’t just disagree with a post without devolving to douchery.

 

[dasher]

Nobody cares what the officials name is, he's garbage, and the coach is garbage too. He oversees the worst FT shooting team in the country, and it literally gets worse AS THE SEASON GOES ON... wtfff...

would you go up to Red's face and say he was garbage? Just wondering.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Until the last few minutes, I thought the refs helped us quite a bit. Not so much after that.

Calling fouls on the other team helps them.

 

[dasher]

Have you ever been an umpire or referee ? not an easy job. thankless. judge not lest ye be judged .

I have. And when a ref misses a obvious call that decides the game, they can be judged. Applying your "logic" to anything else, can you not criticize a movie? You never made one. Can you not criticize a elected official? We can go on and on. It's a ridiculous point

 

[Milo1384]

The deflected ball call was a tough call. I get that. But for one ref, he has to make a call. Why would a ref out by half court come in and make a call when there is zero chance he would make the correct call. The baseline ref has 2 chances to get it right. One he can see the deflection, or 2, he can see if the ball changes direction. But he chose option three, I see nothing. On top of that the ref who then comes in and just flat makes up a call, which in many ways is even worse.

And on the final hack play as the ball is moving the ref has to be attempting to get in position to see what is happening. Much like when plays happen at the plate and the home plate ump tries to move to see the tag. That ref needs to slide just a step or 2, not just stand like a statue.

on the defected balI play, it's the 'Center' officials call all day.. the lead and trail officials are the opposite side of the court. The Center could have asked for help but now with video replay, there will be a call made & then the officials will immediately go to the replay monitor to confirm.

 

[PhatOrange]

would you go up to Red's face and say he was garbage? Just wondering.

Have you seen Red argue calls? He's pretty passive.

 

[Milo1384]

On Kiyan's shot attempt at the end of the game - the lead official seems to be in pretty good position. Maybe he could've closed down a bit more but we're trained to keep some depth when in the 'lead' position, as your range of vision narrows the closer you get.

To me, he either got straight lined or just choked on his whistle. Probably both, honestly.

 

[upperdeck]

on the defected balI play, it's the 'Center' officials call all day.. the lead and trail officials are the opposite side of the court. The Center could have asked for help but now with video replay, there will be a call made & then the officials will immediately go to the replay monitor to confirm.

Huh? You mean the ref who hands the ball to the dude and is 5ft away is not watching the ball go down the baseline? but the ref 50 ft away with a bad angle is the one you want to make the call?

 

[Milo1384]

Huh? You mean the ref who hands the ball to the dude and is 5ft away is not watching the ball go down the baseline? but the ref 50 ft away with a bad angle is the one you want to make the call?

Right but it didn't go out of bounds on the endline.. it went out of bounds on the sideline = Center officials call.

 

[upperdeck]

where it goes out is irrelevant to where it was touched.

the baseline dude asked for help, that brought the center guy in. But he makes a call on a play he has no view on and can't make that call. Once he makes one that forces replay to try and fix it. What he should have done is also say he had no idea then it still goes to replay and the possession arrow. the replay showed nothing that it was touched but they stick with the call. And if they had called it for SU they still review it and probably leave that call as well.

Now if they go with no call and let replay fix it they probably go for SU since thats what it looked like, or they go with possession arrow

 

[Milo1384]

where it goes out is irrelevant to where it was touched.

the baseline dude asked for help, that brought the center guy in. But he makes a call on a play he has no view on and can't make that call. Once he makes one that forces replay to try and fix it. What he should have done is also say he had no idea then it still goes to replay and the possession arrow. the replay showed nothing that it was touched but they stick with the call. And if they had called it for SU they still review it and probably leave that call as well.

Now if they go with no call and let replay fix it they probably go for SU since thats what it looked like, or they go with possession arrow

I understand your frustration but that's not how officiating works. Each official has a primary coverage area and an endline/sideline they cover for out of bounds. It's the Center officials call every single time (on that sideline it went out on).

Once that official pointed Hofstra's way, it all comes to do what the replay shows. And there was not conclusive evidence to overturn. Had the original call gone SU's way, it would've stayed with SU, imo.

 

[PhatOrange]

Ball looked to me to be off Starling.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Right but it didn't go out of bounds on the endline.. it went out of bounds on the sideline = Center officials call.

The issue wasn’t where it went out. Who touched it last was the issue. The side official had no idea who touched the ball. The blind ref on the baseline choked and just threw up his hands.