Regardless how you feel about Fran

[Ttk.gman2]

I believe that HCFB is attempting to to develop a team through recruiting High School talent, that takes time…

They don’t get it man

 

[CanadianSU]

Money isn’t a total issue like some are saying. It’s how it spent… it was spent on Rickie Collins…

 

[VA Citrus]

Love Fran and hope this is just a bump in the road but when we went from Shafer to Babers recruiting was supposed to improve but Babers really only won with Shafer's players (Dungey.) We put a bunch of guys in the NFL last year but besides Kyle, Meeks and Diggs, they were Babers' guys (OG, Cinco, Barron, Wax.) We seemed to get a first year bump from a new coach but then fell into a black hole due to mediocre coaching. A similar thing is playing out now. Fran has to revamp his staff to right this ship. He preaches DART and it may show up off the field but doesn't show up on the field. On the surface the recruiting has leveled up but while they look great in their uniforms but no one is making plays. Do we need to mix in some 2 star Mackey McPherson's who aren't sexy recruits but are all in as football players?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Money isn’t a total issue like some are saying. It’s how it spent… it was spent on Rickie Collins…

We missed on Collins. It happens. I accepted the season being over after I saw him against Duke.

 

[BVille44]

I think that Nunzio will be the first coach fired by Fran.

 

[tep624]

I don’t care about a backup quarterback we need an elite guy to be the quarterback in general you missed the point.

We had an elite guy. He got hurt. Not caring about the backup gets you right where we are now.

And the backup situation is a carry over from Dino but it’s Fran’s baby now.

 

[721Comstock]

We had an elite guy. He got hurt. Not caring about the backup gets you right where we are now.

We cared about the backup!!

Rickie supposedly getting in the neighborhood of $500-600k in NIL -
that’s a pretty sweet neighborhood for a QB2.

It just turned out that he was more like Drew Allen than Kyle McCord.

We swung.
We missed.
It happens.

What’s inexcusable is that apparently zero of our other QB’s can actually play QB.

 

[Eric15]

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I think in the last 25+ years of the program I can think of 3 seasons where we had a legit backup capable of consistently winning games. Nassib behind Paulus in 2009. DeVito behind Dungey in 2018. And you could make an argument for Nunes. That was about it.

I would add Garrett behind Tommy in 2021. But yes your point obviously still stands.

 

[cusefan88]

It's a personal DART off-season for Fran. Has to take a hard look at his staff and make probably 3-4 changes. ERob can stay but probably needs to be demoted and an experienced DC brought on. I love Nixon but if he can't adjust his scheme to run better and hide deficiency that an issue.

I have no concerns about recruiting. I do think they need to do better evaluating transfer talent.

 

[tipphill]

Fran has done a lot of positives but his handling of the qb situation is absolute travesty. It seems he’s more interested in saying he’s right with Ricky than doing the right thing for the S. He says nothing is more important than the S but those appear to be just words to him. If he really believed those words he would not have played a walkon, continue to protect his coordinators and coaches when they have failed in real game planning or accountability. He preaches DART to his players but he clearly does not demand the same for the staff or himself. I don’t expect him to criticize his staff publicly but he clearly does not feel: “nothing is more important than the S”, when he continues to provide the fans the product involved in to mucwe saw last night.

i believe that fran is in crisis mode, and has been since he benched carney. he needs to let nunzio make the qb call. he is all over the board. step back take a deep breath, calm down. he is over involved, impatient, needs to act like a ceo and oversee and maximize his subordinates. as one wise poster said, he yells aloy and makes mistakes, that is not a good combination(i paraphrase)

 

[tep624]

I would add Garrett behind Tommy in 2021. But yes your point obviously still stands.

Yeah I knew I was missing one - I forgot about GS that year. Good catch.

 

[tep624]

We cared about the backup!!

Rickie supposedly getting in the neighborhood of $500-600k in NIL -
that’s a pretty sweet neighborhood for a QB2.

It just turned out that he was more like Drew Allen than Kyle McCord.

We swung.
We missed.
It happens.

What’s inexcusable is that apparently zero of our other QB’s can actually play QB.

Sort of. Rickie was brought in to be our #1 and was named our starter in the Spring. So the miss was even greater if you put it in that context. Angeli was brought in late after it was obvious that Rickie was limited.

Honestly though, if McCord seriously wanted to come back and Fran convinced him otherwise, then this one is 100% on Fran. Financially, it was a better decision for McCord to stay another year anyway. Plus it would have given more rope to get the QB room stocked and figured out.

 

[721Comstock]

Sort of. Rickie was brought in to be our #1 and was named our starter in the Spring. So the miss was even greater if you put it in that context. Angeli was brought in late after it was obvious that Rickie was limited.

Honestly though, if McCord seriously wanted to come back and Fran convinced him otherwise, then this one is 100% on Fran. Financially, it was a better decision for McCord to stay another year anyway. Plus it would have given more rope to get the QB room stocked and figured out.

McCord did NOT get the NCAA waiver.

He could NOT have come back.
Period. Full stop.

So no, it wasn’t financially a better decision, because he wouldn’t have been able to play this season in college.

 

[tep624]

McCord did NOT get the NCAA waiver.

He could NOT have come back.
Period. Full stop.

So no, it wasn’t financially a better decision, because he wouldn’t have been able to play this season in college.

He was initially denied, he filed an appeal, and then he withdrew the appeal before a decision was made. I never said he got the waiver. But if he was pursuing the appeal and Fran convinced him otherwise, which is what has been tossed around, then….

But you can’t definitively say he couldn’t come back because the appeal process was never completed.

 

[Blanko97]

Recruit them. Pony up the money. Give the kids a clear plan for their path to the NFL. Being in a pass-heavy scheme is very attractive, especially with the elite WRs we always bring in. So tell me — how can we not make it happen?

All of those things are offered by bigger and better schools

 

[Scooch]

We cared about the backup!!

Rickie supposedly getting in the neighborhood of $500-600k in NIL -
that’s a pretty sweet neighborhood for a QB2.

It just turned out that he was more like Drew Allen than Kyle McCord.

We swung.
We missed.
It happens.

What’s inexcusable is that apparently zero of our other QB’s can actually play QB.

Bingo. Fran did a remarkable job of addressing the QB situation by adding Angeli.

If Collins was merely below average, and not awfully terrible, then we likely muddle through this season and maybe even squeak out 6 wins.

But not only is he terrible, we also don’t have a single other non-terrible QB on the roster apparently.

That I lay at the staff’s feet, because that’s a complete failure of development. I don’t expect a #3 QB to be good. I do expect them to look like they’ve played the position before.

 

[Scooch]

Recruit them. Pony up the money. Give the kids a clear plan for their path to the NFL. Being in a pass-heavy scheme is very attractive, especially with the elite WRs we always bring in. So tell me — how can we not make it happen?

It’s so easy. Why didn’t anyone else think of this brilliant plan.

I mean, all these coaches at Florida and LSU and Penn State and Virginia Tech who got canned this season totally should have followed this fool proof plan.

What dummies.

 

[SUDadx2]

We cared about the backup!!

Rickie supposedly getting in the neighborhood of $500-600k in NIL -
that’s a pretty sweet neighborhood for a QB2.

It just turned out that he was more like Drew Allen than Kyle McCord.

We swung.
We missed.
It happens.

What’s inexcusable is that apparently zero of our other QB’s can actually play QB.

How were we not able to recruit a quality QB after the season McCord had?

I was told Fran the elite recruiter tried to secure the services of 4 or 5 other portal QBs before he settled on Collins. Why wasn’t he able to land one his first 4 or 5 choices for QB? Do we not have enough money to spend? Was Fran not willing to spend the money needed to land his top choices?

We have what we have.

People owe Pena an apology. He knew.

 

[oldpinepoint]

How were we not able to recruit a quality QB after the season McCord had?

I was told Fran the elite recruiter tried to secure the services of 4 or 5 other portal QBs before he settled on Collins. Why wasn’t he able to land one his first 4 or 5 choices for QB? Do we not have enough money to spend? Was Fran not willing to spend the money needed to land his top choices?

We have what we have.

People owe Pena an apology. He knew.

Uncertainty with McCord coming back

 

[richmondcuse03]

How were we not able to recruit a quality QB after the season McCord had?

I was told Fran the elite recruiter tried to secure the services of 4 or 5 other portal QBs before he settled on Collins. Why wasn’t he able to land one his first 4 or 5 choices for QB? Do we not have enough money to spend? Was Fran not willing to spend the money needed to land his top choices?

We have what we have.

People owe Pena an apology. He knew.

Collins isn’t making the same type of money that the top portal QBs are. Also trying to get portal qb’s every year for a discount isn’t a sustainable strategy. We’ve gotten lucky now twice. And then one got hurt. I’m more concerned about the HS QB recruiting strategy and identifying the right kids there. Seems like we whiffed on carney. And that’s where Fran should sign.

 

[SUDadx2]

Collins isn’t making the same type of money that the top portal QBs are. Also trying to get portal qb’s every year for a discount isn’t a sustainable strategy. We’ve gotten lucky now twice. And then one got hurt. I’m more concerned about the HS QB recruiting strategy and identifying the right kids there. Seems like we whiffed on carney. And that’s where Fran should sign.

Thanks.

So do we not have the money needed to pay the going rate for a top QB or do we have the money, but have decided to use it on other positions?

 

[Offthedome]

Love Fran and hope this is just a bump in the road but when we went from Shafer to Babers recruiting was supposed to improve but Babers really only won with Shafer's players (Dungey.) We put a bunch of guys in the NFL last year but besides Kyle, Meeks and Diggs, they were Babers' guys (OG, Cinco, Barron, Wax.) We seemed to get a first year bump from a new coach but then fell into a black hole due to mediocre coaching. A similar thing is playing out now. Fran has to revamp his staff to right this ship. He preaches DART and it may show up off the field but doesn't show up on the field. On the surface the recruiting has leveled up but while they look great in their uniforms but no one is making plays. Do we need to mix in some 2 star Mackey McPherson's who aren't sexy recruits but are all in as football players?

As Ozone said above, it's going to take time to build with his recruits. I agree that the coaching needs a bump, but high school guys need to mature, strengthen, and gain experience. I think it will happen, and year three will we will start to see a difference as long as Fran assesses himself and his staff and makes the necessary adjustments, as well.

 

[anomander]

Sort of. Rickie was brought in to be our #1 and was named our starter in the Spring. So the miss was even greater if you put it in that context. Angeli was brought in late after it was obvious that Rickie was limited.

Honestly though, if McCord seriously wanted to come back and Fran convinced him otherwise, then this one is 100% on Fran. Financially, it was a better decision for McCord to stay another year anyway. Plus it would have given more rope to get the QB room stocked and figured out.

I think Fran is a little generous when dishing out future pro’s. He 100% should have welcomed Kyle back when he wanted to come.

 

[anomander]

I believe that HCFB is attempting to to develop a team through recruiting High School talent, that takes time…

I understand what he’s trying to do, but you can seriously ask if that’s still possible in today’s day and age. When you don’t have control of guys who hit the portal you have to use both tools. Fran was more aggressive the first year. I would try to replicate that more than year 2. When you lose guys you hit on like Watson and any other HS recruit that starts early, or develop into an all-ACC player, it’s going to be a sweat every year. Fran said himself if he coached 20 years ago he would kill it because he would be stacking all that talent. In 2025 you can’t count on the following years potential starters.

We also need a huge injection of talent on the defensive side of the ball. Let’s hope the young guys that are playing now, first stay, and next continue to develop. Other than that we have holes everywhere. Entire DL needs to be replaced and we need some of these young guys we spent all these roster spots on to develop and make a mark next season.

Will be an interesting off season.

 

[Scooch]

How were we not able to recruit a quality QB after the season McCord had?

I was told Fran the elite recruiter tried to secure the services of 4 or 5 other portal QBs before he settled on Collins. Why wasn’t he able to land one his first 4 or 5 choices for QB? Do we not have enough money to spend? Was Fran not willing to spend the money needed to land his top choices?

We have what we have.

People owe Pena an apology. He knew.

He recruited Angeli, did he not?

You sound disgruntled.