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[Cusefan0307]

Because lots of players average double doubles. Guy has hit 10+ boards 9 times this season. Had only 4 against Pitt but in only 25 minutes. Leads the league in offensive rebounds per game. 9th in the league at rebounding from a forward spot.

That's fine. I'm not talking about what he did earlier this year.

If you know your guards are shooting a combined 25% against one program for about the past 15 years, you need your power forward to show up and dominate against Pittsburgh. That's all I'm trying to say. You know going in it's going to be a rock fight.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Trobs inconsistnt play is one of the few things that could be relatively easily improved, if he simply played with more effort and intensity.

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe the opponent had more to do with his sub-par performance than his so-called lack of effort? Pitt was a game with important post-season ramifications. There's nothing to suggest any of the players were looking ahead or not giving 100%. Dixon's point of emphasis was to crash the offensive glass and block out. So because they strategically exploited the weakness of the 2-3, suddenly TRob is not playing with enough heart or not buying in? That's BS.

 

[realorange]

Lydon and Mali are both going to be projected 1st round picks in their second year of college. They should make pretty big jumps to what is already pretty stellar play.

Chukwu is a huge upgrade if everything we hear about him is even 75% accurate.

Battle and G are toss ups and Cooney is such an enigma that I don't know what to make of him as far as a +/- for his replacement.

Howard should also make a jump from freshman to soph plus who knows what we see in roster additions/turnover if any/all of Joseph/Roberson/Coleman leave.

Battle and G are toss ups? Maybe by the time Battle is a Sophmore. G is a man. Battle is a boy who hasn't played a minute of college ball. I know how good he is supposed to be, but we've gone down that road before and been disappointed. Howard will make a jump mainly because he should be able to use some offensive tools besides his ball handling and passing. He will also have to pick up his defensive ability.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe the opponent had more to do with his sub-par performance than his so-called lack of effort? Pitt was a game with important post-season ramifications. There's nothing to suggest any of the players were looking ahead or not giving 100%. Dixon's point of emphasis was to crash the offensive glass and block out. So because they strategically exploited the weakness of the 2-3, suddenly TRob is not playing with enough heart or not buying in? That's BS.

Right...

The opponent did to some measure, but you can't honestly say Roberson gave everything he had his last two games.

There's probably something to the coaches madness.

Off course the next time you actually agree with the coach I might be dead.

 

[SUbear]

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe the opponent had more to do with his sub-par performance than his so-called lack of effort? Pitt was a game with important post-season ramifications. There's nothing to suggest any of the players were looking ahead or not giving 100%. Dixon's point of emphasis was to crash the offensive glass and block out. So because they strategically exploited the weakness of the 2-3, suddenly TRob is not playing with enough heart or not buying in? That's BS.

You have a point if I were talking about a one game performance, I was not.

 

[orangecuse]

I agree with JB that Roberson can't be out there, play the amount of minutes he does, and basically be invisible. He's limited on offense, but it seems as if he could routinely stick that midrange 12-16' jumper if he would just not seemingly be so reluctant to do so. He appears to have decent form, it must be a confidence thing. He has so much athleticism and quickness, he should be able to take his defender off the bounce on his way towards the hoop, drawing fouls, creating something positive, etc., but as JB eluded to, just going side to side does nothing.

Even if TRob isn't scoring much, it's not a huge detriment as long as he is contributing where he should most, and that is on the glass. He has proven he can be a beast on the glass, but he does seem to disappear, and that's purely mental. DC (the original real thing) as a frosh was a frigging bean pole at 6'9" and yet he was routinely a beast on the boards. Roberson as a 6'8" junior should be, but he doesn't have the mental toughness or apparent desire to be that Windex man we so desperately need, especially against the likes of Pitt, etc.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I agree with JB that Roberson can't be out there, play the amount of minutes he does, and basically be invisible. He's limited on offense, but it seems as if he could routinely stick that midrange 12-16' jumper if he would just not seemingly be so reluctant to do so. He appears to have decent form, and must be a confidence thing. He has so much athleticism and quickness, he should be able to take his defender off the bounce on his way towards the hoop, but as JB eluded to, just going side to side does nothing.

Even if TRob isn't scoring much, it's not a huge detriment as long as he is contributing where he should most, and that is on the glass. He has proven he can be a beast on the glass, but he does seem to disappear, and that's purely mental. DC (the original real thing) as a frosh was a frigging bean pole at 6'9" and yet he was routinely a beast on the boards. Roberson as a 6'8" junior should be, but he doesn't have the mental toughness or apparent desire to be that Windex man we so desperately need, especially against the likes of Pitt, etc.

When TR brings his "A" game, he can grab 20 boards.

His effort against Pitt was a "C-". That won't impress too many NBA scouts.

 

[orangecuse]

When TR brings his "A" game, he can grab 20 boards.

His effort against Pitt was a "C-". That won't impress too many NBA scouts.

I agree that when he's "plugged in" he can grab double digit boards night in and night out.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Obviously you have never heard of scoring after rebounding , which is frankly the best way for him to score, since he has a very limited offensive skill set.

Did you not read the last sentence in my second paragraph?

 

[Tony DeFranco]

Roberson has the exact same odds of getting drafted and playing in the NBA as i do - no, for real - the odds are identical - zero is zero - I feel like I got dumber reading this thread

 

[pulaski74]

No, and I didn't say that. But they don't get the same opportunities.

Boeheim's wrong and there's no sense trying to defend him when he starts to throw words together after he's been criticized. Logic's not on that side.

If roberson could make a bunny he would get 10 to 15 shots a game, when you brick 2 footers and can't make a lay up you are not going to get shots. Seems like I remember in the presser " he doesn't want to take it to the rim?)

 

[OttoMets]

If roberson could make a bunny he would get 10 to 15 shots a game, when you brick 2 footers and can't make a lay up you are not going to get shots. Seems like I remember in the presser " he doesn't want to take it to the rim?)

65% at the rim. http://www.hoop-math.com/Syracuse2016.php More efficient than Cooney in every metric, so that can't be what determines who deserves to take a shot. And Roberson's only attempt on Saturday came when he took it to the rim.

Better to not try to defend Boeheim, the guy who's unable to use facts to defend himself.

 

[Cusefan0307]

65% at the rim. http://www.hoop-math.com/Syracuse2016.php More efficient than Cooney in every metric, so that can't be what determines who deserves to take a shot. And Roberson's only attempt on Saturday came when he took it to the rim.

Better to not try to defend Boeheim, the guy who's unable to use facts to defend himself.

Agree there, but he should be the best out of anyone on the team at the rim because of his height and position. In Pulaski's defense a lot of those shots are coming on putbacks, so if he isn offensive rebounding chances are he's not going to score much, whereas someone like Lydon seems to be much better at Dunking/finishing layups at the rim than Roberson.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Why is it so hard to believe that maybe the opponent had more to do with his sub-par performance than his so-called lack of effort? Pitt was a game with important post-season ramifications. There's nothing to suggest any of the players were looking ahead or not giving 100%. Dixon's point of emphasis was to crash the offensive glass and block out. So because they strategically exploited the weakness of the 2-3, suddenly TRob is not playing with enough heart or not buying in? That's BS.

I don't know. I don't think Pitt played very well. They missed FTs, turned it over 14 times, etc. They gave us so many chances when the score was in low 40s with their multiple empty possessions and turnovers. Their FG% was inflated due to the last few minutes of running away with it with the layups and dunks. They rebounded...that's it while our offense was .

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OttoMets]

Agree there, but he should be the best out of anyone on the team at the rim because of his height and position. In Pulaski's defense a lot of those shots are coming on putbacks, so if he isn offensive rebounding chances are he's not going to score much, whereas someone like Lydon seems to be much better at Dunking/finishing layups at the rim than Roberson.

I can't disagree with that. There's a reason everyone perceives that he's not a good finisher. We all remember some misses.

 

[br801]

This is all too impossible to believe.

 

[pulaski74]

65% at the rim. http://www.hoop-math.com/Syracuse2016.php More efficient than Cooney in every metric, so that can't be what determines who deserves to take a shot. And Roberson's only attempt on Saturday came when he took it to the rim.

Better to not try to defend Boeheim, the guy who's unable to use facts to defend himself.

You see, I'm not a stats guy, I only know what I see, stats are for stat people, you can construe them to your benefit anytime you like. I am in no way defending anyone. The facts are if the kid could make a shot he would get the ball. See rakeem christmas senior year.

 

[Toga]

65% at the rim. http://www.hoop-math.com/Syracuse2016.php More efficient than Cooney in every metric, so that can't be what determines who deserves to take a shot. And Roberson's only attempt on Saturday came when he took it to the rim.

Better to not try to defend Boeheim, the guy who's unable to use facts to defend himself.

I've thought he's pretty good around the rim.

 

[OttoMets]

I've thought he's pretty good around the rim.

The numbers suggest that that's true. At least in relation to his teammates.

 

[orangenirvana]

The numbers suggest that that's true. At least in relation to his teammates.

Can you post that same stat for comparably athletic 6-8 power forwards in the country?

 

[orangenirvana]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...oberson_comments_reaction_to_them_report.html

Quotes from Boeheim re: Roberson:

"The one frustrating thing as a coach is if you can't get total effort from your player. I have not been able to. I'll take responsibility for that. I'm the head coach. I haven't been able to get him to go all-out all the time. Maybe it's not in his nature. I don't know. But it is frustrating.

"I need to get more effort out of Tyler Roberson. I think he knows that. I don't think he's consciously not giving the effort. He thinks he is. Players do that quite often but we show him the tape, and show him how hard he goes after a ball in certain situations and how he doesn't in another situation. He's not doing that on purpose. He's just not engaged. We have to get him to do that. That's my job.

"I've talked to him in private, I've talked to him in meetings, I've talked to him in practice and it hasn't worked.

"We had a real hard session yesterday in practice where I tried to get him to do some things that I think he's capable of. That's what we're going to continue to do. We're going to try to get every player we have better all the time."

 

[CuseFaninVT]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...oberson_comments_reaction_to_them_report.html

Quotes from Boeheim re: Roberson:

"The one frustrating thing as a coach is if you can't get total effort from your player. I have not been able to. I'll take responsibility for that. I'm the head coach. I haven't been able to get him to go all-out all the time. Maybe it's not in his nature. I don't know. But it is frustrating.

"I need to get more effort out of Tyler Roberson. I think he knows that. I don't think he's consciously not giving the effort. He thinks he is. Players do that quite often but we show him the tape, and show him how hard he goes after a ball in certain situations and how he doesn't in another situation. He's not doing that on purpose. He's just not engaged. We have to get him to do that. That's my job.

"I've talked to him in private, I've talked to him in meetings, I've talked to him in practice and it hasn't worked.

"We had a real hard session yesterday in practice where I tried to get him to do some things that I think he's capable of. That's what we're going to continue to do. We're going to try to get every player we have better all the time."

All of that is completely reasonable. If anything resembling that was said during that press conference, and I haven't been able to listen because I've been busy, than we probably all overreacted to the statement. If he had actually said the quote above, we wouldn't have filled up so many pages. Seems like Roberson's AAU coach also indicates that Tyler won't react poorly to this so I'm thinking it's time to move on.

Except... The comments about Cooney at the bottom are silly. JB knows that some days shooters just don't have it, so trying other combinations to find the offense, especially on days when Roberson isn't grabbing all the offensive boards, isn't the worst option.

But Cooney has shown the ability to miss for nearly an entire game and then bomb some big ones in at the end, so there's that side of the coin as well. Which is likely why JB stays with him.

 

[OttoMets]

Can you post that same stat for comparably athletic 6-8 power forwards in the country?

Got any names? I don't know how to search that without doing it piecemeal; the first name that popped into my head was Amile Jefferson (he's improved from 66.2% to 70.6% over his career, obviously with a short season this year). As for Roberson's predecessors, Jerami Grant (obviously more athletic but not yet fully developed) was 65.4% during his last year; McCullough was 59.3%.

I don't think Carolina's bigs are great comps, but they're worth mentioning because they're excellent: 92.1% for Johnson and 83.9% for Meeks.

 

[OttoMets]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...oberson_comments_reaction_to_them_report.html

Quotes from Boeheim re: Roberson:

"The one frustrating thing as a coach is if you can't get total effort from your player. I have not been able to. I'll take responsibility for that. I'm the head coach. I haven't been able to get him to go all-out all the time. Maybe it's not in his nature. I don't know. But it is frustrating.

"I need to get more effort out of Tyler Roberson. I think he knows that. I don't think he's consciously not giving the effort. He thinks he is. Players do that quite often but we show him the tape, and show him how hard he goes after a ball in certain situations and how he doesn't in another situation. He's not doing that on purpose. He's just not engaged. We have to get him to do that. That's my job.

"I've talked to him in private, I've talked to him in meetings, I've talked to him in practice and it hasn't worked.

"We had a real hard session yesterday in practice where I tried to get him to do some things that I think he's capable of. That's what we're going to continue to do. We're going to try to get every player we have better all the time."

If he'd said what you quoted right off the bat, I not only wouldn't criticize him - I'd applaud him. That is a lucid, well-crafted, thoughtful critique.

Keep it coming.