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[Capt. Tuttle]

Disagree. He should say that to him in private. Not public. The funny thing is that Jb gets all upset when the Post Standard put his record against pitino in the paper. That was just a fact. Jb can't have it both ways.

I am sure he did, many times.

 

[br801]

Maybe the intent is to give him a dose of reality, I don't know. But it sure could look like he is trying to tank his draft stock because he disagrees with the decision.

Tank his draft stock? I'm afraid there's nothing there to be tanked.

 

[CuseCPT]

The pussification of America.

Frankly I can't believe nobody posted this earlier, especially given what I remember from the OT Board.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Here's what I don't understand about the majority posting in this thread... Boeheim praised Roberson to the media after the Duke game because he played like a beast and deserved that recognition, it's not like Boeheim refuses to acknowledge him when he does well. Roberson then follows up with pretty much a multiple game no show and Boeheim challenges/points out his lack of impact (perhaps as a way of motivation). Now all of sudden Boeheim is "mean" and shouldn't speak to a "kid" (dude's like 20-21 years old at least) like that as an amateur athlete? I'm failing to see how Boeheim is in the wrong here.

Pretty sure he had a snide comment about Roberson immediately after the game if I remember correctly.

I'm curious as to how JB expects Roberson to score when he rarely gets the ball passed to him in a scoring position. I'm pretty sure JB doesn't want him to drive from 18', or shoot from that distance. So then Tyler is responsible only for getting offensive rebounds to score because God knows G wasn't able to successfully run the pick and roll with the way Pitt was hedging those picks. I'm at a complete loss as to how JB expects more when as one poster pointed out, the guy guarding Roberson was essentially boxing him out all over the floor specifically to prevent him from attacking the offensive glass.

He's not been great lately, but I just don't understand the great and powerful JB's comments after the game, other than to either show the kid the door, or push him further down into his shell.

And this isn't all of a sudden for Boeheim being 'mean', it's kind of a familiar pattern.

 

[IthacaMatt]

When I was an officer in the Army I was taught to praise publicly, discipline privately. It's basic leadership.

The person who praises people publicly gains their loyalty. That's been my experience in management. Make sure they get good raises when they do a good job, and they will go the extra mile for you.

 

[NineOneSeven]

The pussification of America.

Usually I agree with this but not in these circumstances

 

[Jack Hall]

When I was an officer in the Army I was taught to praise publicly, discipline privately. It's basic leadership.

And with todays kids, its probably the strategy that has the best chance of actually working. All imo

 

[Toga]

Yes, you should bury a kid in the press. Especially like what he did with McCullough last year, where he seemed to go out of his way to hurt the kid's draft stock so he didn't leave after the first half dozen games. It was like a knee jerk reaction to his surprise at losing Ennis and Grant a year earlier than he expected. That's kind of how I took it, and was pretty shocked when the kid turned pro, and wondered how much JB's demeanor in the press had to do with it.

IDK if anyone on this board knows - but it certainly didn't help. If I'm not mistaken, all three are making coin.

 

[IthacaMatt]

He's not been great lately, but I just don't understand the great and powerful JB's comments after the game, other than to either show the kid the door, or push him further down into his shell.

And this isn't all of a sudden for Boeheim being 'mean', it's kind of a familiar pattern.

I think it says a lot that Roberson hasn't been committing any fouls, either these last few games. To Boeheim, that means Roberson isn't mixing it up enough. You have to stick your nose in there. Sure, you don't like to see the over the back calls (which JB also berated as something you should learn in sixth grade), but at least that's an error of commission, not omission. You're trying to make a play.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I think it says a lot that Roberson hasn't been committing any fouls, either these last few games. To Boeheim, that means Roberson isn't mixing it up enough. You have to stick your nose in there. Sure, you don't like to see the over the back calls (which JB also berated as something you should learn in sixth grade), but at least that's an error of commission, not omission. You're trying to make a play.

Wonder if he's shutting it down a bit (Roberson I mean). Kind of like I expected Rak to do every year his first three years. Why work hard when there is never a reward? That's pure speculation on my part of course.

 

[IthacaMatt]

IDK if anyone on this board knows - but it certainly didn't help. If I'm not mistaken, all three are making coin.

Ennis, in retrospect, had probably peaked. Grant and McCullough both would have gone as much as 10 places higher. So, they may be "making coin", but the rookie pay scale is far less than it used to be, and they are borderline making $1M on a 2 year contract instead of 3, if I'm not mistaken. It's all about whether you are able to get the second contract under the new collective bargaining agreement.

 

[br801]

Yes, you should bury a kid in the press. Especially like what he did with McCullough last year, where he seemed to go out of his way to hurt the kid's draft stock so he didn't leave after the first half dozen games. It was like a knee jerk reaction to his surprise at losing Ennis and Grant a year earlier than he expected. That's kind of how I took it, and was pretty shocked when the kid turned pro, and wondered how much JB's demeanor in the press had to do with it.

No one should have been shocked that McCullough was one and done, as he gave every indication that was his plan from the moment he arrived on campus.

 

[IthacaMatt]

No one should have been shocked that McCullough was one and done, as he gave every indication that was his plan from the moment he arrived on campus.

They certainly had a right to be shocked that such a talented player would go pro after only, what, 9 to 12 games before he got hurt? We hadn't even played conference games yet. He was beating up on Albany and St. Bonaventure. Nobody got to know him before he was done. He could have accomplished so much more.

 

[GardenOrange]

I have no issues with tough coaching, it certainly has its uses. My issue is with going about it this way, outside the circle. It's shameful.

I have issues with a lack of coaching. Also, when was the last time you heard JB say, "we gotta do a better job of coaching these guys" or "we were out coached today." It may have happened, but I don't remember it.

 

[cuseguy]

No one should have been shocked that McCullough was one and done, as he gave every indication that was his plan from the moment he arrived on campus.

It was his plan two years before he arrived at Syracuse.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I have issues with a lack of coaching. Also, when was the last time you heard JB say, "we gotta do a better job of coaching these guys" or "we were out coached today." It may have happened, but I don't remember it.

I've heard lots of other very very successful coaches, including K and Cal, say this, but I've never heard JB say it.

 

[br801]

They certainly had a right to be shocked that such a talented player would go pro after only, what, 9 to 12 games before he got hurt? We hadn't even played conference games yet. He was beating up on Albany and St. Bonaventure. Nobody got to know him before he was done. He could have accomplished so much more.

He played conference games; he was injured in January. And once he had some assurance that he would go in the first round, he made a reasonable decision to get paid to rehab rather than return to SU in midseason and risk having his draft stock plummet if he didn't perform well or experienced another injury.

 

[Toga]

I have issues with a lack of coaching. Also, when was the last time you heard JB say, "we gotta do a better job of coaching these guys" or "we were out coached today." It may have happened, but I don't remember it.

Funny you say that as about 15 minutes ago I was flipping channels and the only words I heard from the Siena coach post game following a last second loss was "I have to do a better job of coaching".

 

[rrlbees]

You're right. Boeheim and staff can't recruit for . Here's what the current roster would resemble without early defections / transfers or penalties: 1 Tyler Ennis, Jr. 2 Michael Gbinije, RSr. 3 Jerami Grant, Sr. 4 Chris McCullough, So. 5 Moustapha Diagne, Fr. PG Frank Howard, Fr. (offers from Kansas, UConn, Ohio State, Florida, Indiana, Virginia, etc.) PG Kaleb Joseph, So. SG Trevor Cooney, RSr. SG Ron Patterson, Jr. G/ BJ Johnson, Jr. SF Malachi Richardson, Fr. Tyler Lydon, Fr. PF Tyler Roberson, Jr. (offers from Kansas, Villanova, etc.) C Dajuan Coleman, RJr. (5 star, offer from Kentucky) C Chinonso Obokoh, Jr.

You can't count Diagne, he was never qualified.

 

[orangenirvana]

You can't count Diagne, he was never qualified.

So no one else recruited him or offered him scholarships? Interesting. All of the recruiting websites must have lied.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I think it says a lot that Roberson hasn't been committing any fouls, either these last few games. To Boeheim, that means Roberson isn't mixing it up enough. You have to stick your nose in there. Sure, you don't like to see the over the back calls (which JB also berated as something you should learn in sixth grade), but at least that's an error of commission, not omission. You're trying to make a play.

He had an over the back early last game, if I recall. Couple games ago he also got eaten alive and taken out a few minutes into the game.

 

[orangenirvana]

I think it says a lot that Roberson hasn't been committing any fouls, either these last few games. To Boeheim, that means Roberson isn't mixing it up enough. You have to stick your nose in there. Sure, you don't like to see the over the back calls (which JB also berated as something you should learn in sixth grade), but at least that's an error of commission, not omission. You're trying to make a play.

Boeheim's just trying to light a fire under him. In the most important game of the season he was a no-show. If Roberson responds to it like many here are - by feeling sorry for himself and going even more into a shell then that speaks volumes about how he handles adversity.

Maybe Boeheim uses public criticism as a last resort. This isn't the first instance that Roberson has frustrated the staff with what appears to be a lack of willingness to reach his full potential. We have no idea what Boeheim has tried behind closed doors. It's possible Saturday was the final straw.

 

[NineOneSeven]

As others have echoed here, I just want to reiterate a point-

Our starting point guard is a small forward. Our starting shooting guard might be the most average player to ever play 37 MPG in college basketball history. Our starting small forward is a shooting guard. Out starting power forward is indeed a power forward, but apparently wouldn't play if we had anyone else. Our starting center missed basically two years. Our back-up center is a stretch power forward, maybe even a small forward. Our only point guard plays the fewest minutes on the team as the seventh man.

Chalk some of that up to poor timing or bad luck, but there's a reason college basketball and recruiting is largely about projecting outwards multiple years. We have room to improve here. And no, it's not easy. But it's the way it is.

The reason we are even in consideration for the tournament is because, as obnoxious as he can be, Jim still knows a bit about basketball, and we do have some good players on our team. And let's be real, our three freshman have exceeded expectations, given how many freshman struggle with the transition from HS, and the issues with position scarcity around them.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

If you think this year and last year's team, which is what the scope of the discussion is when we talk about recent recruiting classes because those guys theoretically should make up ~3/4 of last year and this years roster, are the same caliber of team from the previous teams before that then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I never said anything about the '15 or '16 class and think we are due for a bounce back year next year. I don't understand why it is so hard for some people on this board to admit this staff isn't perfect.

C'mon, you're trying to claim you are talking about recent recruiting and you are not including our last two classes? That's ridiculous.

SU's recruiting has increased dramatically. The problem in getting top talent is it is a lot riskier. There is a need to replenish quicker and mistakes or misses can be magnified - KJ2, or not hitting on a center for instance. This can happen when you employ the riskier strategy of going after the upper talent - even Kentucky got caught before.

 

[realorange]

0 points in 21 minutes. TR is doing a pretty good job of tanking his own draft stock.

Draft? No team will even have him on their draft list. Hmm. I guess that the Wolves might.