Report: Gonzaga coach Mark Few cited in Idaho for driving under the influence

[FRANKIEFAN]

Between Ubers and eventually self driving cars, it is going to make the roads much safer.

I have a coworker with teenage sons. The kids each have an Uber account they can use for situations like this. Obviously he would prefer if they were responsible and didn't party, but if it is a choice between an Uber and driving drunk, the choice is very clear.

I have a feeling that cops will still find a way to give out DUIs even when we have self driving cars.

I'm actually refusing to go to concerts at certain venues because other places similar distance from me have an onsite campground and I can park and pitch a tent and drive home the next morning, there are plenty of festivals around in general in the summer, or there are places downtown. Why go to a show somewhere that is super expensive selling beers for 20 dollars each and requires a car? These places will also tow you at 3am if you uber and leave your ride in the lot.

 

[Fat tire 13]

I have a feeling that cops will still find a way to give out DUIs even when we have self driving cars.

I'm actually refusing to go to concerts at certain venues because other places similar distance from me have an onsite campground and I can park and pitch a tent and drive home the next morning, there are plenty of festivals around in general in the summer, or there are places downtown. Why go to a show somewhere that is super expensive selling beers for 20 dollars each and requires a car? These places will also tow you at 3am if you uber and leave your ride in the lot.

Yeah, some good points there on the pros/cons. Shame the towing companies punish people for making the responsible decision. And probably why some people will risk driving.

For self driving, I'm thinking 10+ years in the future when they are fully autonomous. Without any steering wheels or human involvement

It's a big rabbit hole of things to consider from a legal, regulatory, and insurance perspective

My main point was hopefully these developments will make the world a safer place overall. I lived in NYC for 15 years. If I got drunk it was a taxi or subway.

 

[TinyManInside]

Yeah, some good points there on the pros/cons. Shame the towing companies punish people for making the responsible decision. And probably why some people will risk driving.

For self driving, I'm thinking 10+ years in the future when they are fully autonomous. Without any steering wheels or human involvement

It's a big rabbit hole of things to consider from a legal, regulatory, and insurance perspective

My main point was hopefully these developments will make the world a safer place overall. I lived in NYC for 15 years. If I got drunk it was a taxi or subway.

It will be more like 5 to 8 years. Banging those stocks heavily.

 

[TinyManInside]

I don’t drink … never have .. so I don’t know .. but to me from the outside looking in.. it’s almost more perplexing that someone who is slightly intoxicated would drink and drive (because their judgement wouldn’t be too impaired to make the smart decision) while the plastered person is too far gone to even know not to drive

The thing about this that makes things murky is that alcohol affects different people in different ways... I know people that I have seen pound 7 or 8 beers in an hour and you would never know they were drunk, and I know other people who I've seen drink one glass of wine and are completely hammered and lose control of motor functions.

As you know, with all things biological, there is no one-size-fits-all-answer (look at the current pandemic and how hard it is to give a definitive prognosis based someone's age/medical history - we have plenty of older people who should, by all account, die of covid when they get it but don't, and we have significant portions of sub 40 year olds that you would assume would have no problem with it but end up in the hospital).

I'm not saying any of this to defend people making bad decisions, but sticking an arbitrary number on what is "drunk" is sort of stupid. [also I agree with you that it is harder to justify people on the edge of sobriety/drunk making the decision to drive than those who are out-of-their-mind drunk and have lost all sense of judgement.]

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Privilege.

It's what we value as a society. In this case we value him more as the coach rather than the drunk driver that could have taken lives with him. Let's put out a phony PR statement and nothing to see here.

Bullshit!!! Why don’t we let him go through the same process as everyone else. Assuming it’s a first time offense, and given that no one was hurt, this would not be a jailable offense, and maybe or maybe not even probation.
The standard for theses types of charges in Idaho may be a reduction to a violation.
He should be treated the same as the next guy, and that appears to be the case.
What Gonzaga chooses to do is wholly outside of the legal process. If I ran Gonzaga, he would not be fired, but a suspension (should be league games) would be warranted from a PR perspective.
I doubt there were many of us who weren’t worried about this as a possibility for JB when he had his accident.

 

[dasher]

Bullshit!!! Why don’t we let him go through the same process as everyone else. Assuming it’s a first time offense, and given that no one was hurt, this would not be a jailable offense, and maybe or maybe not even probation.
The standard for theses types of charges in Idaho may be a reduction to a violation.
He should be treated the same as the next guy, and that appears to be the case.
What Gonzaga chooses to do is wholly outside of the legal process. If I ran Gonzaga, he would not be fired, but a suspension (should be league games) would be warranted from a PR perspective.
I doubt there were many of us who weren’t worried about this as a possibility for JB when he had his accident.

If JB was drunk, at the very least, he should have never coached another game here. Drunk driving is a danger to all of us. I have never done it once in my life. I have no tolerance to anyone that does.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Was it one time event? Not likely.
Does he have a problem with alcohol?
Is he going through a rough time?

 

[the villager]

Fifty years ago a good friend and co worker and his son were killed by a drunk driver. The horror we felt when the drunk had 3 prior DUIs and still was driving. Politically connected DUI specialist lawyers got him off. It still happens today obliviously.

 

[721Comstock]

If JB was drunk, at the very least, he should have never coached another game here. Drunk driving is a danger to all of us. I have never done it once in my life. I have no tolerance to anyone that does.

Also - JB literally never drinks.
At all. Ever.

Of course, since he was driving home after having eaten out late after a game, many people immediately assumed he had been drinking.
Not knowing that was impossible.

I’ll never understand why somebody who is that wealthy wouldn’t get a DD, Uber/Lyft, cab, or car service if they’d be out drinking.
That’s pocket change to them.

 

[dasher]

Fifty years ago a good friend and co worker and his son were killed by a drunk driver. The horror we felt when the drunk had 3 prior DUIs and still was driving. Politically connected DUI specialist lawyers got him off. It still happens today obliviously.

I hate it when people shrug off drunk driving.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Also - JB literally never drinks.
At all. Ever.

Of course, since he was driving home after having eaten out late after a game, many people immediately assumed he had been drinking.
Not knowing that was impossible.

I’ll never understand why somebody who is that wealthy wouldn’t get a DD, Uber/Lyft, cab, or car service if they’d be out drinking.
That’s pocket change to them.

I think this is a little off the point. Somebody wealthy or in a position like Few isn't making the decision to get a ride, Uber, or whatever based on how much it costs. These are people who are used to being control. Of everything. And this decision is one that a). requires them to self-admit that they are not in control, b) allow others around them to see they are not in control, and c) actually give up control. I think those factors are way more in play than the $ cost of a taxi.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The thing about this that makes things murky is that alcohol affects different people in different ways... I know people that I have seen pound 7 or 8 beers in an hour and you would never know they were drunk, and I know other people who I've seen drink one glass of wine and are completely hammered and lose control of motor functions.

As you know, with all things biological, there is no one-size-fits-all-answer (look at the current pandemic and how hard it is to give a definitive prognosis based someone's age/medical history - we have plenty of older people who should, by all account, die of covid when they get it but don't, and we have significant portions of sub 40 year olds that you would assume would have no problem with it but end up in the hospital).

I'm not saying any of this to defend people making bad decisions, but sticking an arbitrary number on what is "drunk" is sort of stupid. [also I agree with you that it is harder to justify people on the edge of sobriety/drunk making the decision to drive than those who are out-of-their-mind drunk and have lost all sense of judgement.]

I am pretty much against most strict liability laws.
The BAC laws just allow for easier convictions, which leads to increased fines and court charges (read revenue).
The Alcohol-Sensor test is not reliable enough for court evidence, but is used to take you to the station to wait to take a breathalyzer. The wait is to make sure that the alcohol has a good chance to really get into your system so you blow the highest BAC.
Now, drunk driving can be deadly, but having a drink and driving should not end a persons livelihood.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's it?

I mean...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

That's it?

I mean...

Midnight Madness
2 Exhibitions
Dixie State.

That's the list.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Midnight Madness
2 Exhibitions
Dixie State.

That's the list.

Yeah that's a load.

 

[721Comstock]

Yeah that's a load.

Like a slap on the wrist, except they whiffed and just the air from the passing hand wafted onto him.

“Ah, he’s had enough punishment for now”.

 

[samspann1]

That's it?

I mean...

why does this surprise you?

 

[JustPherU]

If he got ticketed for texting and driving would we still be saying this punishment is too light?
Just curious as to why we don’t have the same outrage for the million of distracted drivers everyday in this country.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If he got ticketed for texting and driving would we still be saying this punishment is too light?
Just curious as to why we don’t have the same outrage for the million of distracted drivers everyday in this country.

Because drunk driving kills something like 10k people a year and distracted driving from phones kills like 3k people a year.

I'm not excusing distracted driving. But no, I'm not as outraged by it.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

why does this surprise you?

Sadly it's not surprising.

 

[JustPherU]

Because drunk driving kills something like 10k people a year and distracted driving from phones kills like 3k people a year.

I'm not excusing distracted driving. But no, I'm not as outraged by it.

Six times more likely to get in an accident from distracted driving vs DUI.More than 400 thousand people are injured from distracted drivers every year and those numbers are way underreported.
Just saying!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Six times more likely to get in an accident from distracted driving vs DUI.More than 400 thousand people are injured from distracted drivers every year and those numbers are way underreported.
Just saying!

I'd imagine an extremely high percentage of accidents is caused in part by temporarily distracted driving by some definition.

That said, EPHHH DRUNK DRIVING. No excuse.

And if anyone wants to chime in with "ah well who hasn't ever driven drunk" or "we've all done it" let's let he who is sinless among us cast the first stone, and in this case, that's me, and I'm planting that stone right between the eyes.

Don't drive drunk. Ever. Don't excuse driving drunk. Ever.

 

[JustPherU]

I'd imagine an extremely high percentage of accidents is caused in part by temporarily distracted driving by some definition.

That said, EPHHH DRUNK DRIVING. No excuse.

And if anyone wants to chime in with "ah well who hasn't ever driven drunk" or "we've all done it" let's let he who is sinless among us cast the first stone, and in this case, that's me, and I'm planting that stone right between the eyes.

Don't drive drunk. Ever. Don't excuse driving drunk. Ever.

Nobody is excusing drunk driving, I’m just at a loss as to why we continue to put up with people on their phones while driving. We all see it everyday as you travel across this country, but I don’t see the outrage that we do for drunk drivers.It’s a real problem in this country that for some reason we aren’t cracking down on it.I’m just looking for reasons why we aren’t trying to put an end to this practice that is continuing to hurt and kill people every hour.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Nobody is excusing drunk driving, I’m just at a loss as to why we continue to put up with people on their phones while driving. We all see it everyday as you travel across this country, but I don’t see the outrage that we do for drunk drivers.It’s a real problem in this country that for some reason we aren’t cracking down on it.I’m just looking for reasons why we aren’t trying to put an end to this practice that is continuing to hurt and kill people every hour.

Yeah .. go start a thread about that somewhere else .. this is a pile on thread for what a complete joke of a punishment missing the vaunted Dixie State game is.

im sure you will find many drunk allies on your mission to equate drunk driving with other lesser transgressions . God speed on your venture