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Rickie Collins

orangecuse said:
Really? Good lord. The dude is 20 friggin years old and probably was told his 'whole life' how great he was, and pampered along the way to boot. Got a boat load of coin to come to SU and now at the ripe old age of 20, his "life dreams" got smacked by that thing called...life. Hope he finds his way some day.
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Yeah I do. I want our guys to succeed. Some of you guys are pretty freaking miserable. You don’t know anything about his background, his upbringing etc. it’s hard to watch a guy not fulfill his promise and if you don’t think it chews these kids up well I don’t know what to tell you. But I guess you have the right to be a basement keyboard warrior
 
The Ack said:
Fran isn't the guy? Or Rickie?
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I think we're going to find out on Fran.

When things get hard is when you really find out the the depth of someone's skills and capabilities. I think it's fair to say that since Angeli went down, we've seen enough at this point to determine that Collins is not a viable alternative. We've also seen the coaches have stumbled out of the gate trying square-peg, round-hole him into a viable option and it's been futile. I get that they paid him decent NIL and football coaches can be stubborn some times, but it's time.

As Ricky won't be here next year, it's time for Carney. We won't burn Luke's redshirt to go back to the bench, shirley??

I suspect we'll see some mix of both QB's again in the next game or 2, as the coaches try to bed a true frosh QB in slowly without destroying his confidence. But hopefully the baton will be fully passed to Luke by the Miami game. He should unquestionably be getting the #1 QB reps in practice and get the playbook altered for his skill set.

Like it or not, this year is likely a write-off at this point, barring some small miracles. Let's build Carney up, particularly if he WILL be here next year (Angeli at #1 or not.)

These next couple weeks will be telling on how Fran & co handle this.
 
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bnoro said:
I'm sure some people here like to see these kids fail now, under the guise of "they're making money now so I can treat them like trash".

Rickie's not good enough but seems personal for some.
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Who wants to see him fail... Dumbest take ever. We all wanted him to succeed when Angeli went down, unfortunately it's been awful.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
That isn't what he's saying.
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He literally says some people like to see the players fail to trash them. It's a dumb take. Everyone would be loving Rickie if he was killing it. Everyones frustrated, no one prefers watching failure, it's frustration over terrible play. It's a results business, everyone's favorite players are the ones who made SU a success, no ones actively rooting against success. At this point Rickie is the biggest culprit holding the team back, no one's rooting for failure, it's literally a brain rot take.
 
XC Cuse said:
He literally says some people like to see the players fail to trash them. It's a dumb take. Everyone would be loving Rickie if he was killing it. Everyones frustrated, no one prefers watching failure, it's frustration over terrible play. It's a results business, everyone's favorite players are the ones who made SU a success, no ones actively rooting against success. At this point Rickie is the biggest culprit holding the team back, no one's rooting for failure, it's literally a brain rot take.
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Indeed. Simply the ‘usual suspects’ doing the usual.
 
Just watched the game. I don't like to see any of our guys fail even the ones who transfer.
I certainly hope I am wrong but Collins is a real mystery. Its one thing to stare down your first receiver its another thing to be way off target when he is open. The out pass interception was shockingly bad. Not pressured wide open receiver and the ball was several yards behind the target.

This doesn't seem like a young QB who needs the game to slow down to him. Seems like much more. Very depressing.

I don't envy Fran and I won't second guess him. He may be in a no win position.

Coordinators don't forget how to game plan and how to call plays - not when they are as good as Nixon. But when you have little to work with this is the result.

The freshmen are big and talented Agnelli is the real deal. The future is bright. Just have to be patient.
 
Crusty said:
Just watched the game. I don't like to see any of our guys fail even the ones who transfer.
I certainly hope I am wrong but Collins is a real mystery. Its one thing to stare down your first receiver its another thing to be way off target when he is open. The out pass interception was shockingly bad. Not pressured wide open receiver and the ball was several yards behind the target.

This doesn't seem like a young QB who needs the game to slow down to him. Seems like much more. Very depressing.

I don't envy Fran and I won't second guess him. He may be in a no win position.

Coordinators don't forget how to game plan and how to call plays - not when they are as good as Nixon. But when you have little to work with this is the result.

The freshmen are big and talented Agnelli is the real deal. The future is bright. Just have to be patient.
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I feel as though we have said the future is bright for the last 20 years
 
OburgOrange said:
I feel as though we have said the future is bright for the last 20 years
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its not a lie if you believe it.gif
 
XC Cuse said:
He literally says some people like to see the players fail to trash them. It's a dumb take. Everyone would be loving Rickie if he was killing it. Everyones frustrated, no one prefers watching failure, it's frustration over terrible play. It's a results business, everyone's favorite players are the ones who made SU a success, no ones actively rooting against success. At this point Rickie is the biggest culprit holding the team back, no one's rooting for failure, it's literally a brain rot take.
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But now that he's not killing it, people ARE getting personal on the players. I can understand boos in the Dome out of frustration. But people saying that he gets paid now so I can say what I want about him is a bit sad.

I'm sure he feels bad enough letting his team down, before having to go on social media and see the hate.
 
bnoro said:
But now that he's not killing it, people ARE getting personal on the players. I can understand boos in the Dome out of frustration. But people saying that he gets paid now so I can say what I want about him is a bit sad.

I'm sure he feels bad enough letting his team down, before having to go on social media and see the hate.
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I don’t blame Rickie for any of this, Rickie is taking the brunt of it but it’s really not his fault. I blame Fran 100%. He owns it. It’s overpromising and underdelivering 101. You can’t be a serious program and only have 1 capable player at the most important position on the depth chart. And I don’t mean by capable Angeli 1 and Angeli 1A. I mean a second guy that can game manage and not lose us games.

If Rickie isn’t capable of at least being that guy, then he shouldn’t have been here to begin with. And if it was a bad sale of goods (say Rickie oversold himself or whatever), then that should have been detected early and every effort to get Luke Carney in position to be that guy should have been made. This looks like romper room right now.
 
tep624 said:
I don’t blame Rickie for any of this, Rickie is taking the brunt of it but it’s really not his fault. I blame Fran 100%. He owns it. It’s overpromising and underdelivering 101. You can’t be a serious program and only have 1 capable player at the most important position on the depth chart. And I don’t mean by capable Angeli 1 and Angeli 1A. I mean a second guy that can game manage and not lose us games.

If Rickie isn’t capable of at least being that guy, then he shouldn’t have been here to begin with. And if it was a bad sale of goods (say Rickie oversold himself or whatever), then that should have been detected early and every effort to get Luke Carney in position to be that guy should have been made. This looks like romper room right now.
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Remember when some of us were worried about losing Jakari Williams? What’s going on there?
 
tep624 said:
I don’t blame Rickie for any of this, Rickie is taking the brunt of it but it’s really not his fault. I blame Fran 100%. He owns it. It’s overpromising and underdelivering 101. You can’t be a serious program and only have 1 capable player at the most important position on the depth chart. And I don’t mean by capable Angeli 1 and Angeli 1A. I mean a second guy that can game manage and not lose us games.

If Rickie isn’t capable of at least being that guy, then he shouldn’t have been here to begin with. And if it was a bad sale of goods (say Rickie oversold himself or whatever), then that should have been detected early and every effort to get Luke Carney in position to be that guy should have been made. This looks like romper room right now.
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Fran said something like “boo me, not Rickie.” That’s essentially what was happening. Most fans are booing the fact that the coach is not trying another quarterback and the same thing keeps happening.
 
djorange1989 said:
Please start Carney next week, our offense is unwatchable. Best defensive effort we have had since Fran got here and we pissed it away with a dumpster fire QB looking just as hideous as he did the last two weeks. One TD until garbage time and that TD was an 11 yard drive
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Carney looked like he would be little in a pee wee football game he didn’t look more than 5’ 8” a buck 50. He looked like he’d get killed out there if he played more than a few series
 
I agree that HCFB is responsible. However, before beating him down for not having two stellar QBs in the fold please recall that:

1) he has had only one full recruiting season and 1/2 of another.
2) he has found gems.
3) Angeli's injury is nobody's fault.
4) he is working with what was left over. JW was the best QB in the fold when HCFB came aboard. The others received the talk. JW is our 4th string QB.
5) Syracuse does not have the extensive budget other schools have. HCFB must work with some constraints.

The balancing act is new to all of college sports, HCFB is ahead of most and making the most of what he has. Yes, his evaluation of RC was wrong. Most of his recruits are panning out, with many starting and getting playing time.

We will get a new QB and Angeli presumably returns in the fall. The world is not at an end.
 
bnoro said:
But now that he's not killing it, people ARE getting personal on the players. I can understand boos in the Dome out of frustration. But people saying that he gets paid now so I can say what I want about him is a bit sad.

I'm sure he feels bad enough letting his team down, before having to go on social media and see the hate.
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Yea idiots say stuff on Twitter. They've been doing it for years, but there was literally nobody rooting for Rickie to fail, he failed and people are idiots, but I stand by no one rooted for failure so they could say stupid stuff online.
 

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