Rooting For The Miami Hurricanes

[orangemass]

Think I'm headed over to that UHND board, to experience and bask in the crying.

So happy. Since I experienced the yankee stadium notre dame infomercial I can’t stand them

 

[pokercuse08]

When a conf has a system that some hows lets the 5th best team in things always go bad.

but the SEC and B10 have the same issue it just has never played out that way yet

The ACC should seriously consider changing the tiebreaking procedure to involve CFP ranking. Make the second or third tiebreaker something like "if one team is in the top 25 in CFP ranking and nobody else in the tiebreaker is ranked, the ranked team wins the tiebreaker."

It would avoid disastrous scenarios like the one they had. I wouldn't want to see them dispense with standard tiebreakers if it's like the #17 and #21 teams, because they both have a chance and the conference results should be prioritized. But it was terrible for the conference that Duke got into the ACCCG in the first place, let alone winning it.

There could also be scenarios where it is the difference in one or two teams making the playoff. Imagine UVA was undefeated and a slam dunk to be in, but the rest of the tiebreaker was the same and Miami was on the bubble. Miami getting in and beating UVA would mean two teams. Miami not getting in probably would have meant one.

 

[WoadBlue]

ACC tiebreaker should be overall record, period.

Playoff ranking. The ACC is best off the more teams it gets into the playoffs each year. So, I would make all football tie breakers be based on the Playoff committee rankings.

 

[Chip]

ACC tiebreaker should be overall record, period.

Or even CFP ranking. CCG games are basically only there to help you. So help yourselves. They dodged a bullet.

 

[hoopsupstate]

ACC tiebreaker should be overall record, period.

Should be highest ranked team from the committee.

 

[Atlcuse44]

I feel that if ND and Miami played now, ND wins. But you cant ignore the earlier match-up for hypotheticals. It is nice to give teams like JMU and Tulane a chance but ND, Vandy, Texas, etc would probably smoke them. We will see an expanded playoff again soon.

 

[upperdeck]

There is nothing stopping a team from being 8-0 in league and 0-4 out. But in a 5 way tie they need to think it thru better.

 

[Scooch]

1) I don’t root for the ACC or feel compelled to root for any team in it. We’re in this conference as a marriage of convenience and the act of my rooting doesn’t affect an outcome anyway.

2) ACC tie breaker MUST be highest ranked CFP team. Period. Anything else is moronic. I was dumbfounded to learn that wasn’t the tie breaker already. But then again this conference is dumb

 

[PhatOrange]

At the end of the day ND should have taken care of business versus Texas A&M. They didn't they lost, and they lost to the two best teams on their schedule.

That said, Bama should not be in.

 

[llandz]

Don't all of the ACC schools profit monetarily with Miami in?

 

[JustPherU]

At the end of the day ND should have taken care of business versus Texas A&M. They didn't they lost, and they lost to the two best teams on their schedule.

That said, Bama should not be in.

Who do you put in then? Alabama beat Georgia,Vanderbilt,Missouri and Tennessee in consecutive weeks.What team has that many good wins?

 

[bnoro]

1) I don’t root for the ACC or feel compelled to root for any team in it. We’re in this conference as a marriage of convenience and the act of my rooting doesn’t affect an outcome anyway.

2) ACC tie breaker MUST be highest ranked CFP team. Period. Anything else is moronic. I was dumbfounded to learn that wasn’t the tie breaker already. But then again this conference is dumb

Eh, the ACC missing out on the playoff would've been horrific publicity for the league and we would've had to deal with that perception for the foreseeable future.

 

[OrangePA]

1) I don’t root for the ACC or feel compelled to root for any team in it. We’re in this conference as a marriage of convenience and the act of my rooting doesn’t affect an outcome anyway.

2) ACC tie breaker MUST be highest ranked CFP team. Period. Anything else is moronic. I was dumbfounded to learn that wasn’t the tie breaker already. But then again this conference is dumb

Ugh.

Every school is in a marriage of convenience - financial advantage.

These are not affairs of the heart.

It is to the financial advantage of the ACC for Miami to participate and to play well. The ACC needs to remain a power conference- this will help.

Ultimately, what benefits the ACC, benefits Syracuse University.

So, I’m rooting for Miami.

 

[Scooch]

Eh, the ACC missing out on the playoff would've been horrific publicity for the league and we would've had to deal with that perception for the foreseeable future.

I get it. The ACC already has a terrible reputation. I’m not sure it’s any better because the committee took pity on the conference and included Miami. Everyone knows what went down.

I’m glad we got the money. Hooray money. That’s all this sport is about anyway.

 

[sufandu]

Miami took care of business and beat two ranked teams OOC. Duke lost to UConn and Tulane.

Sure. This year. You couldn't see it going differently in other years?

 

[sufandu]

Except Miami played a top 10 team in their OOC. They also beat FSU who pasted Bama. At the end of the day while the transitive property doesn't always work, you are left with little else when such massively unbalanced schedules are at play, they also have wins against teams that have victories over 3 of the top 5 SEC teams.

See my reply to bnoro. I'm not just looking at how this year played out. When establishing rules like that, you try to account for the future. Conference championships should be decided within the conference. Do we really want it fixed? Get rid of the idiotic bloated conferences with their idiotic unbalanced schedules. Everyone plays everyone with no stupid conference championship game. Of course we don't want that though.

 

[bnoro]

I get it. The ACC already has a terrible reputation. I’m not sure it’s any better because the committee took pity on the conference and included Miami. Everyone knows what went down.

I’m glad we got the money. Hooray money. That’s all this sport is about anyway.

How did they take pity on the conference? Miami deserved to get in over ND because they beat them on the football field.

 

[Scooch]

How did they take pity on the conference? Miami deserved to get in over ND because they beat them on the football field.

If UVA won last night I’m certain that Miami is left out. Miami got in because they decided that the ACC had to have a bid. The head to head aspect gave them cover. Clearly they didn’t really care about that given how ND was ranked ahead of Miami last week.

 

[Cusefan95]

How did they take pity on the conference? Miami deserved to get in over ND because they beat them on the football field.

I wouldn’t characterize it as taking pity on Miami…but this was definitely a political calculation by the committee. The committee had Notre Dame ahead of Miami for 5 weeks, then flipped today.

If you think BYU losing meant the committee suddenly decided to compare Notre Dame and Miami when they hadn’t done it at any point in the last six weeks and remembered Miami won the head-to-head - I have a bridge in the Nevada desert to sell you.

This looks like an effort to help out the ACC, and to preserve conference championship games since Alabama getting knocked out by losing would start that discussion. It’s why SMU made it last year, conferences want to maintain that revenue stream. Notre Dame telling the bowls thanks but no thanks may help normalize teams that miss the playoffs passing on bowls…we’ll have to see over the next five years if this is the beginning of a trend. I don’t particularly care one way or the other.

 

[bnoro]

I wouldn’t characterize it as taking pity on Miami…but this was definitely a political calculation by the committee. The committee had Notre Dame ahead of Miami for 5 weeks, then flipped today.

If you think BYU losing meant the committee suddenly decided to compare Notre Dame and Miami when they hadn’t done it at any point in the last six weeks and remembered Miami won the head-to-head - I have a bridge in the Nevada desert to sell you.

This looks like an effort to help out the ACC, and to preserve conference championship games since Alabama getting knocked out by losing would start that discussion. It’s why SMU made it last year, conferences want to maintain that revenue stream. Notre Dame telling the bowls thanks but no thanks may help normalize teams that miss the playoffs passing on bowls…we’ll have to see over the next five years if this is the beginning of a trend. I don’t particularly care one way or the other.

I think most neutral observers were already putting the pressure on the committee that they had it wrong, and if it came down to Miami/ND that they would have to seriously discuss the head to head aspect of it.

I think if you asked most college football fans this year when looking at the numbers (and head to head) who should get in, they'd say Miami.

The committee screwing up from the beginning doesn't mean it was "a political calculation". It seemed like they realized they screwed up and were trying to course correct without being too obvious.

BYU losing absolutely meant they had to rectify the mistake and put Miami in.

 

[Archbold44]

It depends on how you weight criteria. Is having a bad day and losing a close game early in the season worse than losing later in the season? Do you allow for teams to improve throughout the year? Do you want the best paper resume or who you think is the best team based on eye test?

I remember when we went to this format we were told the committee wanted to go with who they viewed as the best teams, not just go by numbers from computers, BCS style.

Too me, this could be similar to when Miami lost their first game in 2000 but everyone knew they were the best team by the end of the year. The computers didn't care about that, and that was their weakness. If the committee thinks Notre Dame has improved more and is currently the better team, I'm cool with that. If they pick Miami because of head to head, I'm good with that too. Of course, it's better for the ACC if it's Miami

I could see if ND was playing with a backup QB Week 1... and then he comes back and they go 10-1. That might discount Week 1.

 

[upperdeck]

H2H is a good thing. But we also know that many times the better team does not win H2H. Also winning game one you basically are saying teams never get better. ND is a better team who lost a game late to Miami. Good for Miami getting in.

Ala has the best wins. Watching them though you can see how they struggled most of the year on offense, Probably were a 4-5 loss team that found a way to win. But they are ugly to watch

 

[cayugacuse]

ND taking their ball and running home to pout...life is good!

 

[SUFaninNJ]

I can't do it. Even if it's good for the conference, I still hate them and will always smile when they lose.

 

[bnoro]

H2H is a good thing. But we also know that many times the better team does not win H2H. Also winning game one you basically are saying teams never get better. ND is a better team who lost a game late to Miami. Good for Miami getting in.

Ala has the best wins. Watching them though you can see how they struggled most of the year on offense, Probably were a 4-5 loss team that found a way to win. But they are ugly to watch

"The better team doesn't always win head to head" is the most college football brained statement I've ever heard. Teams get better across a season, but head-to-head is the biggest data point you can have when it comes to comparing two teams in a sport where comparison is near impossible.