Rules question

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Why are these guys using digital clocks to measure these? They know it's human beings who do this without technology, right? Silly.

Is this like the only thing that can't be reviewed in the monitor then?

 

[CsonkaStash]

The refs can’t count to 5? It’s a cut-and-dry rule, with no interpretation.

what’s silly is people constantly defending officiating on this forum.

Terrible...I posted a video, clock was 6 seconds

 

[RealMcNeil]

I could be completely wrong but I thought that you are not allowed to move as an in-bounder after you have just called a TO prior to attempting to in-bound? Is that not the case?

After a made shot, its fair game with / without the timeout.

 

[Madbiker]

It's the ACC rule nobody talks about. The Big East defectors get no close calls.

 

[upperdeck]

problem is somehow the ref only got to 4 on a play that took 6 secs..

 

[tbonezone]

you all realize it's also illegal to put a hand or forearm into a defenders chest to protect the ball when you're dribbling or backing someone down. not that we have anyboeheim that would do that of course.

 

[upperdeck]

you all realize it's also illegal to put a hand or forearm into a defenders chest to protect the ball when you dribbling or backing someone down. not that we have anyboeheim that would do that of course.

thats not true.. unless you extend it outside your bubble

 

[tbonezone]

RULE 10 / FOULS AND PENALTIES 91
Art. 7. A player shall not use the forearm and/or hand to prevent an opponent from attacking the ball during a dribble or when trying for goal
NCAA point of emphasis nov. 2017
Offense initiated contact.
We are doing well with offense initiated contact especially on drives to the basket. Continue your efforts not to reward offense initiated contact on legal defenders. As mentioned earlier, we need to improve our efforts to properly adjudicate offense initiated contact on the perimeter. If the defender is legal, do not reward offense initiated contact.

now i'm no rules scholar by any means and certainly not savvy enuf to put forth the visual evidence of BB pushing off with his forearm practically every time he drives. if however i was an opposing coach i would certainly mention it pregame to the officiating squad.

 

[SBU72]

No, control ends when the shot goes up. At that point it's a loose ball and no possession. It was the right no call.

I don't contest your answer but as a follow up, new rule resets the shot clock to 20 on a missed shot (that hit the rim) / offensive rebound, discounting the 10 sec to bring the ball up court. With the tapped ball being recovered in the back court, should it now be a 30 sec shot clock? Just asking.

 

[two3zone]

thats not true.. unless you extend it outside your bubble

Absolutely is

 

[upperdeck]

Absolutely is

no.. you are allowed to extend you arm around inside your core protected area all you want. you cant extend it outside that area.. if you extend it outside that area then it becomes different.. if you use it to run into someone you can get a foul but they can also still foul you. if you initatite contact with it then its on you

 

[DBCooper]

you all realize it's also illegal to put a hand or forearm into a defenders chest to protect the ball when you're dribbling or backing someone down. not that we have anyboeheim that would do that of course.

Yeah, most great scorers use that tactic. Still, a five second interval shouldn't be a judgement call.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

no.. you are allowed to extend you arm around inside your core protected area all you want. you cant extend it outside that area.. if you extend it outside that area then it becomes different.. if you use it to run into someone you can get a foul but they can also still foul you. if you initatite contact with it then its on you

Yeah, a few of Buddy's yesterday were definitely outside his bubble. Given how handsy the refs were letting UVA play, I completely understand why they didn't call anything on Buddy though.

 

[RealMcNeil]

I don't contest your answer but as a follow up, new rule resets the shot clock to 20 on a missed shot (that hit the rim) / offensive rebound, discounting the 10 sec to bring the ball up court. With the tapped ball being recovered in the back court, should it now be a 30 sec shot clock? Just asking.

Yes, that's my understanding of the rule. If it's retrieved in the backcourt, officials are to reset the shot clock to 30.

 

[Dave]

I was hoping that the tap back into the backcourt would be an over and back. Is that expressly not the case, is it ambiguous, or was it missed.

It was not an over and back because when the shot went up they lost team possession in the front court. The tap did not establish possession. However, the shot click should have reset to twenty as it was ultimately an offensive rebound. They took the time went to the table, and got it wrong.

 

[Dave]

Terrible...I posted a video, clock was 6 seconds

Truth.

 

[RealMcNeil]

It was not an over and back because when the shot went up they lost team possession in the front court. The tap did not establish possession. However, the shot click should have reset to twenty as it was ultimately an offensive rebound. They took the time went to the table, and got it wrong.

Correct on the first part, but shot clock was correctly reset to 30 because the ball entered the backcourt where it was retrieved. They get the additional 10 seconds to bring the ball up the floor because they are against the 10 second violation.

 

[SBU72]

Yes, that's my understanding of the rule. If it's retrieved in the backcourt, officials are to reset the shot clock to 30.

So that was why they stopped play to review the play. Turns out the clock was reset to 19 when they inbounded the ball. Didn't think about that until just now.