Rutgers on the schedule for 2020 and 2021 !!!

[nzm136]

Question. If they aren't a rival why does Rutgers hold the record by way over 2 to 1 for the most post ever in a thread on this site?

I've answered that question about 5x in this thread alone.

 

[OrangeDW]

Question. If they aren't a rival why does Rutgers hold the record by way over 2 to 1 for the most post ever in a thread on this site?

What % of the SU fanbase would you say visits this site? This site doesn’t like Rutgers because we don’t like the general tone of their message board fans. We’re talking about, what, a few hundred people? Nobody else cares.

Just check the attendance at the Dome for the Rutgers game in the years we played them. Was it ever not one of the lowest attended games of the year?

 

[nzm136]

We haven't beaten PSU since the 80's and they have almost twice as many wins against us(unfortunately). BC yes

We have 3x as many wins against RU as they have against us (last I checked), and we've dropped the ball on scheduling NE rivals (see OOC games vs WVU since joining the ACC). And honestly, so have they (see PSU vs Pittt from about '91 until last year). I'm not sure that PSU had beaten them since the 80's before that game.

But back to the SU vs PSU/RU point, what do you think the odds are that the school making "Rivalry Renewed" shirts in the keadup to the Rutgers game?

And lastly, this is the exact kind of thinking that's problematic. GRob isn't our coach anymore, and our position in a premier conference is stable. We don't have to invent/force rivalries w/ dregs.

 

[nzm136]

Clearly, you are reading comprehension challenged.

Apprently I quoted you? I really have no idea nor do I care to look, but I guess you can’t get past 3-5 guys who get your panties in a bunch. Sadly, I don’t think I’m one of them for this never was and never will be a rivalry game.

The only rival Syracuse may have had, was Colgate over half a century ago...and I think that one went as well as our ‘rivalry’ with ped st went.

You say that I have a reading comprehension problem, and you can't read your own post enough to know if you quoted me ... really? Jesus.

That basically sums up your posts, and the amount of thought you have behind your position.

 

[nzm136]

Syracuse and Rutgers have both simultaneously played football for roughly 120 years.

How many Syracuse coaches have circled the Rutgers game in that 120 years of mutual history as a big game?

Based on statements by former coaches and players, I'm very confident that WVU and PSU have made the list multiple times, and Addazio has made is no secret that he circles SU every year.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

We have 3x as many wins against RU as they have against us (last I checked), and we've dropped the ball on scheduling NE rivals (see OOC games vs WVU since joining the ACC). And honestly, so have they (see PSU vs Pittt from about '91 until last year). I'm not sure that PSU had beaten them since the 80's before that game.

But back to the SU vs PSU/RU point, what do you think the odds are that the school making "Rivalry Renewed" shirts in the keadup to the Rutgers game?

And lastly, this is the exact kind of thinking that's problematic. GRob isn't our coach anymore, and our position in a premier conference is stable. We don't have to invent/force rivalries w/ dregs.

I'm not saying RU is our rival just saying PSU isn't either.
I'm willing to bet the only team with SU circled on their schedule next year is Clemson. If we beat them down there then maybe that will turn into a rival(ish) type game?

 

[TheCusian]

They beat UNC in a bowl recently and had a little run during Shady days.

Dude. You can’t complain ppl come after you when you start carrying water for the girls

 

[TheCusian]

I don’t need to read this he thread to know the main contention is a differing of opinions on what the word “rivalry” means.

I don’t care.

- historically weak team
- P5 team fulfills quota
- recruiting area
- their fans are awful

 

[NJCuse97]

1. Your first paragraph is irrelevant. Ease has nothing to do w/ whether or not it's embarrassing.
2A. Yes, (a select few) people literally are calling this a rivalry game. In fact, without looking, I'm pretty sure you're one of them. But regardless of whether you are/were or not, some misguided soul went so far as to say he wanted to make RU a yearly TG weekend game at Yankee Stadium.
2B. No, it shouldn't be a rivalry anymore than USC should have a rivalry w/ SDSU.
3A. Your third paragraph is irrekevant to anything that I wrote. I never said that we shouldn't play RU, and I never said that we shouldn't recruit out of NJ, and lastly, I never said that occasional local games wouldn't be a good nod to recruits.
3B. Your point that RU is a B1G team carries as much weight as claiming that KU is a Big XII team. Yes, it's true, but nobody is going to care.

I don’t understand the belligerent attitude here. Does USC recruit San Diego heavily? Did SDSU’s coach bash and badmouth USC? Did they effectively shut USC out of the fertile recruiting area of San Diego? Did SDSU take USC’s best recruit when Pete Caroll left? This is not a GRob thing, this is a long standing attempt by them to disparage us to gain a recruiting advantage. They played us tough a few times in the late 80’s early 90’s and I’ve heard stories of coach Mac shouting at the team in ‘95 about the importance of beating Rutgers just to assure they get no momentum. Not a rivalry? Fine. Whatever. But to write it off as a scheduling mistake and a game that only matters to 3 people who only watched Syracuse football in 2005 is just plain naive.

 

[KaiserUEO]

You say that I have a reading comprehension problem, and you can't read your own post enough to know if you quoted me ... really? Jesus.

That basically sums up your posts, and the amount of thought you have behind your position.

Pray tell why are u harping on grob and rivalries??

 

[nzm136]

Pray tell why are u harping on grob and rivalries??

I'm not. I'm the guy saying GRob hasn't been our coach for a decade. We have a very solid recruiting class, and we have a strong coaching staff whose potential is evident in our head coach's prior HC gigs, and who has shown glimpses of things to come in the VT game last year and the Clemson game this year. The mentality that a select few fans adopted during the dark years of "we stink, there is no hope, and we're a low tier program who needs attention wherever we can get it" isn't relevant anymore (if it ever was).

And on that note, I'm not the one calling Rutgers a rivalry game. Other fans did, of which I'm pretty sure you were one, and I was correcting that because it's an embarrassment. This board literally gets made fun of on several other sites because of the RU thread, and the stupidity in this thread will add fuel to the fire. It's like the UConn conference realignment thread where they're all convinced that UConn will end up in the B1G.

You seem to now be in the "RU isn't a rival" camp, so good on you.

 

[nzm136]

I don’t understand the belligerent attitude here. Does USC recruit San Diego heavily? Did SDSU’s coach bash and badmouth USC? Did they effectively shut USC out of the fertile recruiting area of San Diego? Did SDSU take USC’s best recruit when Pete Caroll left? This is not a GRob thing, this is a long standing attempt by them to disparage us to gain a recruiting advantage. They played us tough a few times in the late 80’s early 90’s and I’ve heard stories of coach Mac shouting at the team in ‘95 about the importance of beating Rutgers just to assure they get no momentum. Not a rivalry? Fine. Whatever. But to write it off as a scheduling mistake and a game that only matters to 3 people who only watched Syracuse football in 2005 is just plain naive.

Stating the truth is belligerent? Do you feel that way towards everyone who disagrees with you?

And you do realize that Mac wasn't the coach in '95, right?

And who said scheduling mistake? I've explicitly said that it was a good move multiple times on this very thread. It's an easy win that's a nice nod to recruits.

And if it's naive to call SU vs RU a non-rivalry game, why has there been zero incremental pomp and circumstance attached to any past SU vs RU game? The school doesn't make any special shirts (PSU), coaches don't publicly circle the game (BC), there is no trophy (WVU), and there aren't any widely-accepted special sayings, chants, or traditions (Colgate). There isn't even a boost in attendance.

Your post even seems to say it's not a rivalry game when you write: "Not a rivalry? Fine. Whatever."

But to answer your above questions, yes, USC recruits heavily out of SoCal, and yes, SDSU would love to stop USC from recruiting highly talented local recruits, so some of those recruits would come to them.

I assume the Pete Carrol leaving USC comment was an analogy to Coach P leaving SU. If so, the GRob era (while immediately followed Coach P leaving) is over. Move on.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I'm not. I'm the guy saying GRob hasn't been our coach for a decade. We have a very solid recruiting class, and we have a strong coaching staff whose potential is evident in our head coach's prior HC gigs, and who has shown glimpses of things to come in the VT game last year and the Clemson game this year. The mentality that a select few fans adopted during the dark years of "we stink, there is no hope, and we're a low tier program who needs attention wherever we can get it" isn't relevant anymore (if it ever was).

And on that note, I'm not the one calling Rutgers a rivalry game. Other fans did, of which I'm pretty sure you were one, and I was correcting that because it's an embarrassment. This board literally gets made fun of on several other sites because of the RU thread, and the stupidity in this thread will add fuel to the fire. It's like the UConn conference realignment thread where they're all convinced that UConn will end up in the B1G.

You seem to now be in the "RU isn't a rival" camp, so good on you.

Go find me saying they’re a rival.

Apparently I posted at least 1x in the Rutgers thread, doubt it was because I’m super excited about the existence of that thread.

This is a message board, but I certainly don’t care what other message boards think, unlike your obsession with that and grob, who I don’t think anyone with a brain has thought of in years.

Enjoy the Super Bowl, but i doubt you’ll watch as this isn’t a ‘rivalry’ game.

 

[NJCuse97]

Stating the truth is belligerent? Do you feel that way towards everyone who disagrees with you?

And you do realize that Mac wasn't the coach in '95, right?

And who said scheduling mistake? I've explicitly said that it was a good move multiple times on this very thread. It's an easy win that's a nice nod to recruits.

And if it's naive to call SU vs RU a non-rivalry game, why has there been zero incremental pomp and circumstance attached to any past SU vs RU game? The school doesn't make any special shirts (PSU), coaches don't publicly circle the game (BC), there is no trophy (WVU), and there aren't any widely-accepted special sayings, chants, or traditions (Colgate). There isn't even a boost in attendance.

Your post even seems to say it's not a rivalry game when you write: "Not a rivalry? Fine. Whatever."

But to answer your above questions, yes, USC recruits heavily out of SoCal, and yes, SDSU would love to stop USC from recruiting highly talented local recruits, so some of those recruits would come to them.

I assume the Pete Carrol leaving USC comment was an analogy to Coach P leaving SU. If so, the GRob era (while immediately followed Coach P leaving) is over. Move on.

Too much to unpack for you here. People are excited about playing a local opponent and the immense bonus of having it be an OOC P5 (UConn, Colgate can’t say that) is so important. Their fans are delusional and loud, and that makes it fun. You seem to be looking for ways to rain on that. Just be happy SU fans are excited about more games. I said what I said about it being a rivalry because I have little interest in trying to change your mind.

Really? Southern Cal recruits Southern Cal? I asked about San Diego. Even so, my question was whether or not SDSU openly attacked USC in the press in order to sway a recruiting tilt the way Schiano and Rutgers did to SU. It’s not really a comparison. That said, the point of my Mac story was that the recruiting battle for NJ predates GRob and continues today. If anything, GRob giving it up entirely is what makes the series renewal more important.

If WVU is the superior rivalry and it may be, why don’t we play them? If having a trophy is some important factor for you, why was it that it wasn’t played for the last time we played? I was at SU when that trophy was created (1993). It changed nothing in how the game was viewed. I know of none of the Colgate traditions, mostly because we play Colgate what once every 20 years? They haven’t won since 1950? That’s a rivalry?

We make shirts for a series renewal with PSU, they don’t. I’m fairly certain I heard Mike Tirico say it hasn’t been a rivalry for PSU since 1987. We have beaten them 3 times since 1967, and 2 of them were ‘87 and ‘88.

The win differential between us and PSU is 20. Between us and RU, 18. Rutgers has won 6 of the last 8. They probably need it more than us, but it’s really not that different than us and PSU. Seems to me it’s only a rivalry if you say it is. Just stating the truth.

Also, Tom Coughlin no longer plays or coaches at SU, but I think he spoke with the team last year. Moose Johnston also no longer plays, nor Floyd Little, or Jim Brown, and yet they have had pre-game speeches for the SU football team. I was only sharing a tale I heard of one such pregame speech given by Coach Mac imparted to me by my roommate who was on the team at the time. Don’t be so condescending.

 

[CousCuse]

Dude. You can’t complain ppl come after you when you start carrying water for the girls

I have a hard time putting down Rutgers when the Orange have been so nothing burger for a considerable time themselves.

 

[orange79]

I have a hard time putting down Rutgers when the Orange have been so nothing burger for a considerable time themselves.

No worries. I've got your back here.

 

[CousCuse]

No worries. I've got your back here.

You know the saying, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

 

[Pyle]

I have a hard time putting down Rutgers when the Orange have been so nothing burger for a considerable time themselves.

Fat girls make fun of other fat girls all the time. Just sayin'......

 

[TexanMark]

Fat girls make fun of other fat girls all the time. Just sayin'...

Cuse fans be like:

 

[blizz]

You know the saying, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

But what does this mean?!

 

[Frozen]

 

[TheCusian]

I have a hard time putting down Rutgers when the Orange have been so nothing burger for a considerable time themselves.

I detest this line of thinking. It actually elevates their program. Wake me up when they have a win better than our vs Clemson just last year. It’s literally better than any win in their programs history.

 

[CousCuse]

I detest this line of thinking. It actually elevates their program. Wake me up when they have a win better than our vs Clemson just last year. It’s literally better than any win in their programs history.

They beat Washington State, Michigan and North Carolina in a bowl in 2914. OK.

 

[TheCusian]

They beat Washington State, Michigan and North Carolina in a bowl in 2914. OK.

1. 2914?
2. Not one of those is as good as the defending national champs, ranked #2. Their only other loss on the year was to this year’s champ. C’mon.

 

[gbo]

I'm embarrassed for Syracuse for even having to schedule Rutgers.