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Class of 2025 SG Kiyan Anthony (NY) COMMITTED & SIGNED TO SYRACUSE (11/15/24)
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Can we please wait until we see grown men guarding Kiyan before we get the crazy talk.
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nah i have watched enough of kiyan to know hes a better shooter than jj...jj is quicker and doesnt mean kiyan is better overall...
defense will matter for kiyans playing time...but then again, jj isnt a good defender, either...i mean jj loses his man several times a game his entire SU career, lets be real
im not saying one way or other but i think theres a good chance kiyan is a top 5 player on next years roster...and maybe even better than JJ
(and i dont think jj is setting a high bar for kiyan to beat tbh)
furthermore, i think all of the projections about the hierarchy on the team and the team's style of play are UNPREDICTABLE...and wont go the way everyone thinks it will!
everyone thinks this will be a running team etc...but maybe that wont work and they will have to scale it back...theres always gonna be adjustments and injuries etc that will change things from the projections
(which is why i am fundamentally gainst building a roster that can only play 1 style of play)
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Kinda feels like people are getting carried away with some all star/exhibition game performances. Didn’t he average like 14 points per game as a senior in HS? 30% from 3 and 32% overall? Pump the breaks [sic!].
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Well you just went the other way. He did not shoot 32% overall. He shot 44% in the EYBL scholastic league games which does not include his overall season. His team also tied for the most wins in the regular season.
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It’s not really “the other way.” I just cited a different source, after looking but not finding yours. The other LIU site had zero stats whatsoever. Mine were from Finkelstein’s scouting report (too early?).Well you just went the other way. He did not shoot 32% overall. He shot 44% in the EYBL scholastic league games which does not include his overall season. His team also tied for the most wins in the regular season.
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Either way, the 30% from 3 is common to both sources, and that’s the troubling area.
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I’ll say it again, this time directly to you.
JJ Starling was stuck as the only viable offensive threat last season on a team decimated by injuries and lack of talent. Red’s best, sometimes only, offensive play call was Starling Isolation. There was nothing else.
On top of that, Starling was our de facto point guard, playing away from his strengths.
JJ Starling was put in am extremely difficult position last season, and all he did was score 28 points, pull pull down 4 rebounds and dish out 3 assists per game, while maintaining a positive assist to turnover ratio. His scoring wasn’t as efficient as you would like, mostly because he was dribbling into the teeth of the defense every possession with nobody to pass to, and he shot too many threes at the end of the shot clock. But he shot.480 on two point shots on the season, despite being the guy that every team knew they had to stop.
Even Starling’s defense isn’t as bad as his detractors suggest. He has improved each year, and this past season, Starling was a -.4 DBPM… Win Shares had him a positive dWS, also by a hair, this time positive. A hair under average, by those two rate stats that break out defense. All while playing a blistering 35 minutes a game as the team’s only offensive threat. If Starling had gotten a rest, even by not having to bring up the ball, do you think he might have been a little quicker in stopping defensive penetration? Probably. Oh, by the way, starling was second in steals and fourth in blocks on last years anemic defensive squad.
The kid busts his butt, playing for his hometown team.
Can we stop complaining about Starling? The dude could have gone anywhere, and probably made more money doing it. Yet he’s here, a McDonald’s All American that is going to finish his career in Syracuse! Somehow half the posters here act like we are saddled with him.
I’m thrilled Starling chose to stick around, and I think he’s going to be great.
Edit: I’m going to cross post this, because I just spent a few minutes researching a rant, and it isn’t even in the right thread. Dang it.
JJ Starling was stuck as the only viable offensive threat last season on a team decimated by injuries and lack of talent. Red’s best, sometimes only, offensive play call was Starling Isolation. There was nothing else.
On top of that, Starling was our de facto point guard, playing away from his strengths.
JJ Starling was put in am extremely difficult position last season, and all he did was score 28 points, pull pull down 4 rebounds and dish out 3 assists per game, while maintaining a positive assist to turnover ratio. His scoring wasn’t as efficient as you would like, mostly because he was dribbling into the teeth of the defense every possession with nobody to pass to, and he shot too many threes at the end of the shot clock. But he shot.480 on two point shots on the season, despite being the guy that every team knew they had to stop.
Even Starling’s defense isn’t as bad as his detractors suggest. He has improved each year, and this past season, Starling was a -.4 DBPM… Win Shares had him a positive dWS, also by a hair, this time positive. A hair under average, by those two rate stats that break out defense. All while playing a blistering 35 minutes a game as the team’s only offensive threat. If Starling had gotten a rest, even by not having to bring up the ball, do you think he might have been a little quicker in stopping defensive penetration? Probably. Oh, by the way, starling was second in steals and fourth in blocks on last years endemic defensive squad. The kid busts his butt, playing for his hometown team.
Can we stop complaining about Starling? The dude could have gone anywhere, and probably made more money doing it. Yet he’s here, a McDonald’s All American that is going to finish his career in Syracuse! Somehow half the posters here act like we are saddled with him.
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You literally said he shot 30% overall. Thats not true at all. I took the stats from his officialIt’s not really “the other way.” I just cited a different source, after looking but not finding yours. The other LIU site had zero stats whatsoever. Mine were from Finkelstein’s scouting report (too early?).
Either way, the 30% from 3 is common to both sources, and that’s the troubling area.
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league site. Even with the 30% shooting from 3 he was one of the most efficient scorers in the league because he gets to the line so much. And even that site was not all games played.
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I just acknowledged the Finkelstein stats were “too early.” He wrote his scouting report in November. I didn’t make them up. The number was incorrect, but I also only asked if those were his stats.
The point is he wasn’t “efficient” from three. And with his frame, that’s where he’s expected to be operating next year. All of the recent celebration of his Jordan game, etc.—should probably be tempered a bit. The brakes. In the real world, he shot 30% from three. Against high schoolers.
Please go in and correct your points per game you make a good case. But the error of 28 pts a game detracts from your point.I’ll say it again, this time directly to you.
JJ Starling was stuck as the only viable offensive threat last season on a team decimated by injuries and lack of talent. Red’s best, sometimes only, offensive play call was Starling Isolation. There was nothing else.
On top of that, Starling was our de facto point guard, playing away from his strengths.
JJ Starling was put in am extremely difficult position last season, and all he did was score 28 points, pull pull down 4 rebounds and dish out 3 assists per game, while maintaining a positive assist to turnover ratio. His scoring wasn’t as efficient as you would like, mostly because he was dribbling into the teeth of the defense every possession with nobody to pass to, and he shot too many threes at the end of the shot clock. But he shot.480 on two point shots on the season, despite being the guy that every team knew they had to stop.
Even Starling’s defense isn’t as bad as his detractors suggest. He has improved each year, and this past season, Starling was a -.4 DBPM… Win Shares had him a positive dWS, also by a hair, this time positive. A hair under average, by those two rate stats that break out defense. All while playing a blistering 35 minutes a game as the team’s only offensive threat. If Starling had gotten a rest, even by not having to bring up the ball, do you think he might have been a little quicker in stopping defensive penetration? Probably. Oh, by the way, starling was second in steals and fourth in blocks on last years anemic defensive squad.
The kid busts his butt, playing for his hometown team.
Can we stop complaining about Starling? The dude could have gone anywhere, and probably made more money doing it. Yet he’s here, a McDonald’s All American that is going to finish his career in Syracuse! Somehow half the posters here act like we are saddled with him.
I’m thrilled Starling chose to stick around, and I think he’s going to be great.
Edit: I’m going to cross post this, because I just spent a few minutes researching a rant, and it isn’t even in the right thread. Dang it.
JJ Starling was stuck as the only viable offensive threat last season on a team decimated by injuries and lack of talent. Red’s best, sometimes only, offensive play call was Starling Isolation. There was nothing else.
On top of that, Starling was our de facto point guard, playing away from his strengths.
JJ Starling was put in am extremely difficult position last season, and all he did was score 28 points, pull pull down 4 rebounds and dish out 3 assists per game, while maintaining a positive assist to turnover ratio. His scoring wasn’t as efficient as you would like, mostly because he was dribbling into the teeth of the defense every possession with nobody to pass to, and he shot too many threes at the end of the shot clock. But he shot.480 on two point shots on the season, despite being the guy that every team knew they had to stop.
Even Starling’s defense isn’t as bad as his detractors suggest. He has improved each year, and this past season, Starling was a -.4 DBPM… Win Shares had him a positive dWS, also by a hair, this time positive. A hair under average, by those two rate stats that break out defense. All while playing a blistering 35 minutes a game as the team’s only offensive threat. If Starling had gotten a rest, even by not having to bring up the ball, do you think he might have been a little quicker in stopping defensive penetration? Probably. Oh, by the way, starling was second in steals and fourth in blocks on last years endemic defensive squad. The kid busts his butt, playing for his hometown team.
Can we stop complaining about Starling? The dude could have gone anywhere, and probably made more money doing it. Yet he’s here, a McDonald’s All American that is going to finish his career in Syracuse! Somehow half the posters here act like we are saddled with him.
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Lots of good points here. Also, JJ had the hand injury during the season that got him out of shape and out of synch for a while after his return. I think his stats would have been quite a bit better had he stayed healthy all season.I’ll say it again, this time directly to you.
JJ Starling was stuck as the only viable offensive threat last season on a team decimated by injuries and lack of talent. Red’s best, sometimes only, offensive play call was Starling Isolation. There was nothing else.
On top of that, Starling was our de facto point guard, playing away from his strengths.
JJ Starling was put in am extremely difficult position last season, and all he did was score 28 points, pull pull down 4 rebounds and dish out 3 assists per game, while maintaining a positive assist to turnover ratio. His scoring wasn’t as efficient as you would like, mostly because he was dribbling into the teeth of the defense every possession with nobody to pass to, and he shot too many threes at the end of the shot clock. But he shot.480 on two point shots on the season, despite being the guy that every team knew they had to stop.
Even Starling’s defense isn’t as bad as his detractors suggest. He has improved each year, and this past season, Starling was a -.4 DBPM… Win Shares had him a positive dWS, also by a hair, this time positive. A hair under average, by those two rate stats that break out defense. All while playing a blistering 35 minutes a game as the team’s only offensive threat. If Starling had gotten a rest, even by not having to bring up the ball, do you think he might have been a little quicker in stopping defensive penetration? Probably. Oh, by the way, starling was second in steals and fourth in blocks on last years anemic defensive squad.
The kid busts his butt, playing for his hometown team.
Can we stop complaining about Starling? The dude could have gone anywhere, and probably made more money doing it. Yet he’s here, a McDonald’s All American that is going to finish his career in Syracuse! Somehow half the posters here act like we are saddled with him.
I’m thrilled Starling chose to stick around, and I think he’s going to be great.
Edit: I’m going to cross post this, because I just spent a few minutes researching a rant, and it isn’t even in the right thread. Dang it.
JJ Starling was stuck as the only viable offensive threat last season on a team decimated by injuries and lack of talent. Red’s best, sometimes only, offensive play call was Starling Isolation. There was nothing else.
On top of that, Starling was our de facto point guard, playing away from his strengths.
JJ Starling was put in am extremely difficult position last season, and all he did was score 28 points, pull pull down 4 rebounds and dish out 3 assists per game, while maintaining a positive assist to turnover ratio. His scoring wasn’t as efficient as you would like, mostly because he was dribbling into the teeth of the defense every possession with nobody to pass to, and he shot too many threes at the end of the shot clock. But he shot.480 on two point shots on the season, despite being the guy that every team knew they had to stop.
Even Starling’s defense isn’t as bad as his detractors suggest. He has improved each year, and this past season, Starling was a -.4 DBPM… Win Shares had him a positive dWS, also by a hair, this time positive. A hair under average, by those two rate stats that break out defense. All while playing a blistering 35 minutes a game as the team’s only offensive threat. If Starling had gotten a rest, even by not having to bring up the ball, do you think he might have been a little quicker in stopping defensive penetration? Probably. Oh, by the way, starling was second in steals and fourth in blocks on last years endemic defensive squad. The kid busts his butt, playing for his hometown team.
Can we stop complaining about Starling? The dude could have gone anywhere, and probably made more money doing it. Yet he’s here, a McDonald’s All American that is going to finish his career in Syracuse! Somehow half the posters here act like we are saddled with him.
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I’m hoping that is the reason he refused to use his left hand last year. It was his left hand that was injured, right?
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Yes, the left, but wasn't he previously a right-hand dominant player anyway?
Either way, having that wrap on his left didn't help his shooting.
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Kiyan has nice footwork, and a nice change of pace with the ball. Lots to like there. Reminds me a bit of Mikael Bridges on the Knicks.
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Kiyan is not a next level athlete, but he is highly skilled and smart.
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I think the key is not to overuse these guys this year. You don't have to put games at risk to develop a bench. You just have to put some thought into your rotations ahead of time.
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He can get to where he wants to be.
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At the high school level. I think he is savvy enough to figure it out at the next level, but against someone his height and 25lbs heavier, it is going to be different.
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Of course it was an all-star game, but I thought he was effective on the drive against some pretty good players.
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He schooled Jordan Smith in a game earlier this year. Smith is big and strong and considered one of the best defenders in his class. Kiyan is wired to score. There is always an adjustment when moving from one level to another. He will adjust and I’d imagine he’ll do it rather quickly.
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That's where his good footwork in going to help.
Haha this is an accurate statement. I will say what’s different this year is we have legit options. If a starter isn’t playing well, we have players like Kiyan, Sadiq, Betsy and Fennell off the bench. A couple of those guys probably start on last years team.
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