Class of 2016 SG/SF Andrew White (VA; Grad Transfer from Nebraska)

[iommi]

Maybe not in man to man, but zone? Why the hell not?

Man to man has nothing to do with it. He'd guard whoever he matches up well with defensively. In our zone he wouldn't have the foot speed or lateral quickness.

 

[Briancuse]

IMHO, with the game in the line, Lydon is at the 5.

So I am guessing you think it will be this lineup

Gillon
Battle
White
Robe
Lydon

 

[RF2044]

Man to man has nothing to do with it. He'd guard whoever he matches up well with defensively. In our zone he wouldn't have the foot speed or lateral quickness.

Truth.

 

[Cuse'91]

Man to man has nothing to do with it. He'd guard whoever he matches up well with defensively. In our zone he wouldn't have the foot speed or lateral quickness.

Ok, so Southy was one of the freakest athletes in SU history, with a condor wing span to compensate for any "lack of foot speed" and throw in 3 point specialist, but he couldn't have played the top of our zone???

 

[iommi]

Ok, so Southy was one of the freakest athletes in SU history, with a condor wing span to compensate for any "lack of foot speed" and throw in 3 point specialist, but he couldn't have played the top of our zone???

Correct. Why didnt he garner one second in 4 seasons at the top of our zone. If he'd have been effective up there, wouldn't JAB have tried it?

 

[Cuse'91]

Correct. Why didnt he garner one second in 4 seasons at the top of our zone. If he'd have been effective up there, wouldn't JAB have tried it?

Did we need him at guard? Serious question...
Guessing we had some ok guards during James' 4 years. Like maybe the best 4 year stretch of quality guards in Syracuse history...
Also, AW3 is not 6'8" more like Wesley Johnson height/body type, could Wes have played at the top of the zone???

 

[JoeySimz]

I was under the strong impression that Battle chose SU because he was going to be a PG here. At times, JB says there is no such thing and that a G is a G so who knows. I bet he will get a chance as prime ball handler in the early season and if he proves to be better suited off the ball then he would spend most time there the rest of the way. That would push AW to the 3 for certain. Who knows, JB does tinker in November so anything could happen, plus we have no real surety that White will be coming at this moment.

Yeh, good point. In jb's pro style double high pnr both guards handle. Who knows exactly what was promised. But I think any combo of Battle, Gillon, and Frank has great potential.

 

[20Plus]

Had not seen this

don't know if it was posted don't care

because I'll leave that to other people to complain about someone trying to show actual perspective

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Not starting but still getting big minutes are not exclusive concepts. Lydon can play multiple positions. No need for him to start. Roberson and DC3 start. They are seniors and will be team captains.

No reason not to start your best player. Cute.

 

[Jack Hall]

And some posters don't grasp ya have to have teammates able to finish a pass off to get an assist... something nebraska lacked. He will play some at the 3 but he's primarily coming to play guard. And if JB doesn't care at all about the player's wishes he won't have said player on the team. AW3 already said the coaches had a good handle on his role and he wants to play guard since at 6'7 it's his best shot at being drafted. It's a good problem to have. But if he was told he'd play at 3 he'd already be on another visit.

One thing you have to keep in mind, if AW comes here, on Offense imo he will play a guard role, ie he will mostly be on the perimeter on O. But the question is, is he better suited for top or bottom of zone? Imo he is better suited for backside of zone. And i doubt he would have a big problem with that. We shall see

 

[Jack Hall]

Had not seen this

don't know if it was posted don't care

because I'll leave that to other people to complain about someone trying to show actual perspective

Thxs for posting! Hes a big strong wing, great stroke!

 

[JarHeadJim]

I've been told that Mike McCallister posted on that other board that AW3 told him he's taking a visit elsewhere. Hmm. Nothing comes without a sweat, I guess.

This is correct.

 

[jordoo]

Had not seen this

don't know if it was posted don't care

because I'll leave that to other people to complain about someone trying to show actual perspective

I will say that's impressive but a workout video, probably for the NBA. He moves more like a forward than a guard to me. He looks much stronger and a bit taller than Malachi who just made the NBA playing the 3 on defense and as a wing shooter on offense. Seems like that would be the most likely role for him to slip into.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

I agree but it will certainly be nice to have another guy who could play guard if need be. Now we have talent and depth everywhere. If JB HAS to play AW3 at the 2, we know it's not outrageous that we could buy a few situational/ emergency minutes with him there.

Literally the only players on the team who are locked into one position are DC and PC.

Our Trunk Monkey lineup could be huge if JB wants to go that way. Battle will be an absolute beast on the press. I hope JB uses the press as a weapon with Chukwu looming on the back end. With our depth, foul trouble from the press will not be a concern.

I too, am hoping the Press is used with regularity this year. I think we have the personnel to excel with it.

As for AW3, place me in the camp who sees him at the 3. SU needs a sf. It is a void with this team. We have 3 guards. Without AW3 we have penciled in one out of position sf in Lydon.

In my mind, AW3 is Mals replacement. Mal may be a guard in the NBA but his stint at sf here didn't hurt him in the least. I think AW3 would sign up for that spot. I would if I were him.

 

[kcsu]

Battle can play 1 2 or 3

 

[orangenirvana]

I do think starting Battle/AW3 at the top of the zone to start the game will give us an edge; nothing like staring a game and having the other team see a 6'6 and 6'7 athletic freak at the top of the zone.

Andrew White is far from an "athletic freak." White is relatively slow afoot and has a limited vertical. Battle, otoh, is an athletic freak.

White is an excellent shooter with very good size and strength. He's a forward. I'm with RF and I'd be shocked if he received any playing time at guard in Boeheim's system. He's basically Demetris Nichols with a little more strength and slightly less length. Nichols may have actually been quicker/faster and he never played on the top of the zone. White spent a lot of time last season banging underneath the basket so playing along the baseline in the zone won't be a difficult transition for him.

Remember on offense there is very little difference between the 1 and 2 in JB's system. And you'd never see White playing the 1.

I think if White decides to come here then it's bad news for Roberson of all players. I also think we'd see less Coleman and more Lydon at the 5 imo.

 

[Dave85]

Battle can play 1 2 or 3

My thinking is if Battle can play the the 1 then we may see AW3 play the 2. But somewhat agree with the sentiment he seems more like a 3. But at the 2, if he can play defense fast enough, with Battle at the 1 we can have insanely tall lineups. With Lydon at center we can high power scoring lineups.

Whatever happens the coaching staff has done a terrific job rebuilding.

 

[Dcuse]

Andrew White is far from an "athletic freak." White is relatively slow afoot and has a limited vertical. Battle, otoh, is an athletic freak.

White is an excellent shooter with very good size and strength. He's a forward. I'm with RF and I'd be shocked if he received any playing time at guard in Boeheim's system. He's basically Demetris Nichols with a little more strength and slightly less length. Nichols may have actually been quicker/faster and he never played on the top of the zone. White spent a lot of time last season banging underneath the basket so playing along the baseline in the zone won't be a difficult transition for him.

Remember on offense there is very little difference between the 1 and 2 in JB's system. And you'd never see White playing the 1.

I think if White decides to come here then it's bad news for Roberson of all players. I also think we'd see less Coleman and more Lydon at the 5 imo.

Wow. Have to admit I agree with none of this. Roberson will get 30 plus/ game this year and Lydon will see NO time whatsoever at the 5 unless there is an emergency. If white comes here and wants minutes, he better learn the top of the zone in a hurry.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Andrew White is far from an "athletic freak." White is relatively slow afoot and has a limited vertical. Battle, otoh, is an athletic freak.

White is an excellent shooter with very good size and strength. He's a forward. I'm with RF and I'd be shocked if he received any playing time at guard in Boeheim's system. He's basically Demetris Nichols with a little more strength and slightly less length. Nichols may have actually been quicker/faster and he never played on the top of the zone. White spent a lot of time last season banging underneath the basket so playing along the baseline in the zone won't be a difficult transition for him.

Remember on offense there is very little difference between the 1 and 2 in JB's system. And you'd never see White playing the 1.

I think if White decides to come here then it's bad news for Roberson of all players. I also think we'd see less Coleman and more Lydon at the 5 imo.

Sitting the best rebounder in the ACC? Doubtful. Howard and TT will be the pine guys, if White shows up.

 

[iommi]

Did we need him at guard? Serious question...
Guessing we had some ok guards during James' 4 years. Like maybe the best 4 year stretch of quality guards in Syracuse history...
Also, AW3 is not 6'8" more like Wesley Johnson height/body type, could Wes have played at the top of the zone???

Good point, we didn't need him to play guard. Still, if he would've been a weapon up there, JB would've done that.

 

[Flacusian]

iommi said: ↑
I've been told that Mike McCallister posted on that other board that AW3 told him he's taking a visit elsewhere. Hmm. Nothing comes without a sweat, I guess.

This is correct.

That certainly dampens the glee we've been experiencing. If he is taking another visit that would seem to indicate that he might not be satisfied with what Syracuse would provide for him in terms of playing time and exposure. It would also seem that it would be safe to assume we aren't going to get any confirmation as to what his decision is until after he has made this other visit. In spite of some of the assurances we've been given it would seem that this thing is far from over much less a done deal.

 

[pfister1]

Sitting the best rebounder in the ACC? Doubtful. Howard and TT will be the pine guys, if White shows up.

The rotations will be really interesting, but they really depend on how the team fits together.

If JB doesn't see AW as a viable guard than Howard plays and plays a fair amount because at worst he is the first guard off the bench. If AW is a viable guard than whether he starts there or not he could take take most of Howard's minutes there.

I also see forward being a three man rotation of Lydon, AW and Roberson. Moyer and TT will fight for minutes and fight to make it a four man rotation with it being unlikely that both get significant minutes. If AW turns out to be in the guard rotation than there are more minutes available for Moyer/TT in the forward rotation.

Center seems pretty clear. I would guess it is a Coleman/Chuckwu rotation to start the season. But if JB isn't happy with what he is getting from one or the other of them I can easily see Lydon slipping into that rotation based on how well he did there last season. It's not like Lydon is likely to log big minutes there, but I could see circumstances where he ends up at 5-10 minutes a game easily.

Roberson and Howard's playing time could be the most at risk in part because they seem relatively limited in what they give you and don't provide a lot of lineup flexibility. Given the makeup of the roster and what I've seen from those guys in the past I don't see Roberson playing any other position than PF and I don't see Howard playing any other position than PG.

Whereas I can see Gillon at either guard. Battle at either guard and possibly SF. AW at SG/SF. Lydon at SF, PF, C.

While all of this is fun to speculate about it is really impossible to predict until we see who has improved over the offseason and how a ton of new guys fit in to the system and fit with each other. This time last season Lydon was an after thought for most here.

 

[orangenirvana]

Wow. Have to admit I agree with none of this. Roberson will get 30 plus/ game this year and Lydon will see NO time whatsoever at the 5 unless there is an emergency. If white comes here and wants minutes, he better learn the top of the zone in a hurry.

Roberson may see 30 mins but you can't start six guys. Who do you consider to be the odd man out?

White will be torched over and over again at the top of the zone. We'll give up the most threes in the nation. Battle may be able to handle as a guard but I can't see him starting at the 1 especially considering the team has two natural point guards on the roster already - one of which is a fifth-year senior. Lydon isn't coming off the bench.

As for Lydon at the 5 - if Roberson is much improved like we hope and Coleman is the same as he was last season then we'll see Lydon playing center in crunch time.

 

[orangenirvana]

Sitting the best rebounder in the ACC? Doubtful. Howard and TT will be the pine guys, if White shows up.

I don't see Roberson sitting much either. I just see him as the sixth man (if White comes here).

 

[normaliswear]

One thing you have to keep in mind, if AW comes here, on Offense imo he will play a guard role, ie he will mostly be on the perimeter on O. But the question is, is he better suited for top or bottom of zone? Imo he is better suited for backside of zone. And i doubt he would have a big problem with that. We shall see

True... I think the whole 2 vs 3 debate comes down to whether AW3 can play the top of the zone. If he can, his length and shooting up top will make us incredible. If not, then yeah you have to slide everything up front a bit and really he just adds some good depth and shooting.