Shafer

[dasher]

Let me just say - Red Auerbach.

Watch it. I got a more than a few titles from that man

 

[CousCuse]

How many people get jobs because of connections?
If you don’t think that type of stuff doesn’t happen in all forms of Life I can’t help you.
I am proud of Jim Boeheim taking care of an alum’s son who was outstanding for him and the school.
He had the spot and used it.

You think it’s demeaning to say that I don’t.
If I got into Harvard law because of a connection and I graduate from Harvard law school what do they call me? A Harvard law graduate.

Maybe the staff didn't want another pain in the ass primadonas like the 3 guys who just left. Maybe Owens was one of a group of similar developmental guys they were looking at and they said give Billy's son the shot for a year. This was basically HoWash's scholarship.

 

[Alsacs]

You mean the 2013 team that Shafer led to a bowl win against a B1g team? Not to mention that Hunt got hurt I believe on this first play of the game in game one of those years. But Marrone left with a full cup board. We ended up with a walk on QB during that time. Yeah, that roster was just chalf full of NFL types. How many were drafted? How many of them stuck in the NFL. The cupboard was bare. I was around when we had talent. We haven't had that in a long time. I hope we can win 5 or 6 games this year. But we sure didn't have it at the start of Shafers tenure. Didn't have it when he left either. Except for the most part Eric Dungey.

We disagree you said nothing to counter the point we had a top notch OL left by Marrone.
The running game was top notch with Jerome Smith, Prince Tyson Gulley.

Defend Shafer it’s all good. You do it fairly. I think Hunt was a solid QB. He got hurt in 2014 which sucked for
Him. I mean remember when Shafer pulled Dungey against FSU then the following week we were getting killed at Louisville he didn’t pull him and got the killed with a concussion hit.
That horrible hire is gone. I am fan of
Dino but he needs to keep producing.

Shafer was hired to continue Marrone’s program he failed. He should have never been hired. That is on Gross.

 

[OrangeDW]

Maybe the staff didn't want another pain in the ass primadonas like the 3 guys who just left. Maybe Owens was one of a group of similar developmental guys they were looking at and they said give Billy's son the shot for a year. This was basically HoWash's scholarship.

 

[CousCuse]

Babers has more to crow about than any coach since P... and it’s not much of a discussion either.

Shafer is the 2nd worst since P.

Shafer is not even in the rear view mirror any more.

 

[dasher]

We disagree you said nothing to counter the point we had a top notch OL left by Marrone.
The running game was top notch with Jerome Smith, Prince Tyson Gulley.

Defend Shafer it’s all good.
That horrible hire is gone. I am fan of
Dino but he needs to keep producing.

Shafer was hired to continue Marrone’s program he failed. He should have never been hired. That is on Gross.

I'm not defending Shafer. I am disputing your take that he inherited a good team from Marrone. He didn't. Didn't do much good while he was here. As for Dino, he doesn't need to keep producing. He really needs to start producing. One winning year out of 4 isn't producing. The 10 win season was great. More ED than Dino. Oh, and we have a major disagreement on what top notch is.

 

[Alsacs]

Maybe the staff didn't want another pain in the ass primadonas like the 3 guys who just left. Maybe Owens was one of a group of similar developmental guys they were looking at and they said give Billy's son the shot for a year. This was basically HoWash's scholarship.

Howard Washington wanted to leave.
Syracuse didn’t push him out.
Once he left JB did what he has done numerous times. He used an available scholarship on a project. Good for that kid he deserves it and it’s good by Jim Boeheim always reward people who have been good to you in the past.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm not defending Shafer. I am disputing your take that he inherited a good team from Marrone. He didn't. Didn't do much good while he was here. As for Dino, he doesn't need keep producing. He really needs to start producing. One winning year out of 4 isn't producing. The 10 win season was great. More ED than Dino.

I didn’t say good team.
All I said was Marrone left some pieces.
The OL and running game were good and that is how we were able to get enough points to win those Games.

Obviously the talent wasn’t top notch which is why I would have never hired Shafer to Begin with.

 

[syrBossHogg]

Shafer def got dealt a bad hand talent wise when he started but I feel like it's obvious the team got worse every year he was coaching. He did bring Dungey to SU but he also chose to start Hunt over Dungey his last year. And even though Hunt wasn't great he was better than Drew Allen, who Shafer chose to start those first couple games against Penn St and Northwestern.

 

[CousCuse]

Howard Washington wanted to leave.
Syracuse didn’t push him out.
Once he left JB did what he has done numerous times. He used an available scholarship on a project. Good for that kid he deserves it and it’s good by Jim Boeheim always reward people who have been good to you in the past.

That is what I was implying. Regarding Harvard, connections will not try to get you in to a place like that unless they believe you will produce. And regarding this thread with all the Shafer bashing do to their first game, I hope the Orange don't end up with a similar result in Chapel Hill.

 

[MadNY3]

I was crushed that his team beat mine that day, but it didn’t bother me a bit that he celebrated his success with a cigar.

He coached a great game that day.

And, he embraced the players he brought to Syracuse before and after the game.

He didn’t leave Syracuse University - he was fired.

I wish him well.

I respect the respect you have for those who tried to contribute to success for Syracuse Football.

But to compare Red Auerbach to FHCSS in any way is like comparing LeBron James to LeBron Ellis as basketball players. There are technical similarities but the two could not be further apart.

 

[dollarbill44]

I respect the respect you have for those who tried to contribute to success for Syracuse Football.

But to compare Red Auerbach to FHCSS in any way is like comparing LeBron James to LeBron Ellis as basketball players. There are technical similarities but the two could not be further apart.

LeBron Ellis (at home reading this forum): What! Bro, why am I getting brought into this weird shite show of a thread?

 

[Alsacs]

LeBron Ellis (at home reading this forum): What! Bro, why am I getting brought into this weird shite show of a thread?

He obviously meant LaPhonso Ellis and comparing LaPhonso Ellis to LeBron against Shafer to Auerbach is an insult to LaPhonso.
He was a high draft pick and at least had a decent career as a role player.
Shafer will never be close to the level coach Auerbach was.

 

[OrangeDW]

He obviously meant LaPhonso Ellis and comparing LaPhonso Ellis to LeBron against Shafer to Auerbach is an insult to LaPhonso.
He was a high draft pick and at least had a decent career as a role player.
Shafer will never be close to the level coach Auerbach was.

I assumed he meant LeRon Ellis.

 

[Cuseregular]

The GA Tech game was brutal.

Yeah let’s run the three-man front against an option offense, friggin brilliant

 

[Moontan]

The GA Tech game was brutal.

And much worse in person... <oy>

We went back to our tailgate location after the 3rd quarter.The only SU game that I’ve ever not seen the end of.

 

[nzm136]

Ask anyone here. I carried water for SS a long time. I’m well acquainted with the arguments about what he inherited, budgets, and hiring.

Living with bad hires is the job he signed up for. To his credit, he tried to right the ship with Lester’s promotion. It’s a tough gig.

Yup, I agree with the first part completely. You said one thing and then flipped over night to a position on the opposite extreme with no real prompting beyond the AD telling you to drink a different flavor kool aid. I don’t have to ask anyone. I saw it with my own eyes.

And it’s not a matter of what SS signed up for. He got (and still recurves) a boatload of cash to sooth his feelings with regardless to what people in message boards write. It’s a discussion between fans.

Making a definitive statement about his competency as a head coach based on his time at Syracuse is somewhere between ignorant and disingenuous. He was too hamstrung by circumstances to see if he would fall or fly. Maybe he would have crashed. Maybe he would have been great. There’s no real way to know or say for sure.

 

[OrangeDW]

Yup, I agree with the first part completely. You said one thing and then flipped over night to a position on the opposite extreme with no real prompting beyond the AD telling you to drink a different flavor kool aid. I don’t have to ask anyone. I saw it with my own eyes.

And it’s not a matter of what SS signed up for. He got (and still recurves) a boatload of cash to sooth his feelings with regardless to what people in message boards write. It’s a discussion between fans.

Making a definitive statement about his competency as a head coach based on his time at Syracuse is somewhere between ignorant and disingenuous. He was too hamstrung by circumstances to see if he would fall or fly. Maybe he would have crashed. Maybe he would have been great. There’s no real way to know or say for sure.

We do know that he liked to punt from the 30, and was so out of control on the sidelines that he actually got 15 yard penalties for his team - so there’s a few real ways to know some things.

 

[kcsu]

Doug had a bone to pick with the administration for broken promises. He left and decimated the program by taking the staff which on the other hand was showing great loyalty to those guts. Shafer did his best but was done in by some terrible decision most notably at the oc spot. Having said that Doug is still one of the biggest s to ever walk the SU sidelines.

 

[Bayside44]

I thought the worst of all was in 2015 when he didn’t go for the win in the 2nd OT against UVA. We were on the road and all kicking the PAT did was send it OT number three where you HAVE to go for two and we had the ball first. Gutless wimp when it came to strategy

Mark Coyle mentally fired him that day.

 

[Bayside44]

He took us to a bowl win his first year.

He was not over his head that season.

He had horrible luck with QBs the next two seasons - our first seasons in the ACC.

Plus, Doug Marrone did not leave the cupboard full of talent when he left.

I recall disagreeing with some of Scott Shafer’s decisions toward the end, but I didn’t ever feel that he was over his head.

He got absolutely boat-raced in a number of games that year. He had a good streak of grinding out games against Maryland (who was starting a TE at QB), Wake (a 13-0 thriller) and a completely disinterested NCSU team. But that style wasn't something to build on, clearly.

 

[TheCusian]

Yup, I agree with the first part completely. You said one thing and then flipped over night to a position on the opposite extreme with no real prompting beyond the AD telling you to drink a different flavor kool aid. I don’t have to ask anyone. I saw it with my own eyes.

And it’s not a matter of what SS signed up for. He got (and still recurves) a boatload of cash to sooth his feelings with regardless to what people in message boards write. It’s a discussion between fans.

Making a definitive statement about his competency as a head coach based on his time at Syracuse is somewhere between ignorant and disingenuous. He was too hamstrung by circumstances to see if he would fall or fly. Maybe he would have crashed. Maybe he would have been great. There’s no real way to know or say for sure.

It wasn’t a 180, it had been simmering for a while. I appreciate you following along.

It is a message board and that’s partly why I feel pretty good about being definitive on my opinions, changing them, etc.

I think he’s a good DC, a poor HC who made bad hires, and lacks the temperament for the job here. I’ll stand by that until we have more data points.

 

[CousCuse]

The MTSU offense did nothing all game long, how is that score on the DC?

 

[TheCusian]

The MTSU offense did nothing all game long, how is that score on the DC?

my caring about the outcome of a MTSU offense ended just about as the clock ended in our game vs them

frankly, I’m over giving SS much more thought during game week vs UNC

I’m opting out of this thread

 

[OrangePA]

And much worse in person... <oy>

We went back to our tailgate location after the 3rd quarter.The only SU game that I’ve ever not seen the end of.

I was there.

Awful.