Smoke or BS in CT (B1G)?

[OburgCuse]

I've been to the BET when we've played UConn and we had more fans there in 09, 11 and 12. The streets and bars before all those games were filled with Syracuse fans. That's likely because Syracuse fans largely live in the City whereas UConn fans largely had to come in on Metro North. If we had done our job and beat Dayton we would have owned MSG and our fans would have outnumbered theirs by far.

UConn is a huge get. It makes sense now that football is shored up to go after a flagship state university that will bring in cable boxes. I do fear that the ACC will miss the boat on UConn, but I don't think UConn being in the B1G hurts us.

Syracuse/UNC/Louisville/Duke/ND/Virginia in an ACC Tournament would be bigger draws than Michigan/UConn/MSU/Indiana. Rutgers doesn't count. They never brought anyone to the BET. I don't see why they would start bringing people to a B1g tournament in MSG.

Agreed this would have been true if...and this is a big IF...we were in the East region...unfortunately we would have been playing in Memphis

 

[ImperialOrange]

Really? UConn will be out recruiting SU in a few months if this happens. This is all they needed to get their program back on solid ground.

No

Rutgers has been out recruiting SU for several years now.

and no

The B1G is a more appealing conference to me from a rivalry standpoint with UConn, Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State.

Rutgers was still going to the B1G last season when we drew level with them in recruiting. When we are winning and they are getting beat up by OSU, UM, PSU, etc league affiliation won't matter much. They might be able to recruit with Iowa and Indiana but they won't be near OSU, UM, PSU, MSU, Nebraska, or Wisky. UConn, in the B1G, would still be UConn. Their recruiting would be better but recruiting as well as Purdue isn't exactly great.

 

[TexanMark]

I agree with Cuseguy...the ACC really needs one more team in the NE. Rutgers is off the table, Maryland bolted...really only UConn.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I agree with Cuseguy...the ACC really needs one more team in the NE. Rutgers is off the table, Maryland bolted...really only UConn.

I guess my question to this would be how would another NE team benefit the ACC enough to make it a need?

 

[NashvilleOrange]

We're in agreement there.

We're fine in the ACC.

I'm just not happy with the conference makeup. The ACC is sorely in need of another northeast school. Even Maryland would have filled that need. My head explodes if UConn joins the B1G.

Agree and the B1g suddenly becomes a much better fit for Syracuse if UConn is added. As of now, the 5 other private schools and 2 other Northeast schools makes the ACC a better fit.

 

[TexanMark]

I guess my question to this would be how would another NE team benefit the ACC enough to make it a need?

Sometimes it is a strategic longterm play...the numbers probably don't support UConn yet but long term it will pay off.

 

[SmilinBob]

Sometimes it is a strategic longterm play...the numbers probably don't support UConn yet but long term it will pay off.

How do you make the football schools FSU and Clemson say yes to that Mark?

 

[JeremyCuse]

Agree and the B1g suddenly becomes a much better fit for Syracuse if UConn is added. As of now, the 5 other private schools and 2 other Northeast schools makes the ACC a better fit.

Even if the B10 added Uconn how is it a better fit? Syracuse has nothing in common with Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Iowa, Illinois etc.

The only schools we closely resemble Northwestern ( haven't we played them enough recently?) and the two BE rivals Rutty and Cincy/Uconn.
Syacuse has a history with Pitt, BC, Lville, VaTech, Miami, and ND.

We also have much more in common with Wake, UVA, and Duke then we ever will those B10 schools. Regardless of where Uconn ends up Syracuse is where it belongs.

 

[Bayside44]

Sometimes it is a strategic longterm play...the numbers probably don't support UConn yet but long term it will pay off.

Why? It's another high tax state that isn't growing population. If they had more value they'd be somewhere better.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Why? It's another high tax state that isn't growing population. If they had more value they'd be somewhere better.

Agreed what does UConn really offer? Does the ACC really need another powerhouse bball program? At some point it becomes overkill. Uconn doesnt have Lax and there football program is in the NE where there already to many mouths trying to feed on a smaller number of prospects then anywhere else in the country.

 

[cuseguy]

Well Pitt and BC are NE schools and to be honest I like the fact that we have the ability to offer a recruit the ability to stay on the East Coast and play down south, play Miami, Play FSU, or if its bball play Duke, UNC, Pitino etc. Maybe its just me but I like the fact Uconn and RU have to sell recruits on either playing in the MAC or Des Moines Iowa while my team can sell South Beach and the ACC.

I get it. But we play in South Beach every 15 years or so.

 

[Chip]

B1G is interested in upgrading women's hoops?

That's about the only advantage I can see. Can't imagine this really ever happens.

 

[TexanMark]

B1G is interested in upgrading women's hoops?

That's about the only advantage I can see. Can't imagine this really ever happens.

They have 4 Natty's in Hoops...you don't think Delany wants some off that luster?

 

[CousCuse]

Sometimes it is a strategic longterm play...the numbers probably don't support UConn yet but long term it will pay off.

The Philadelphia media market is upwads of 20 million . With ACC revenue and management help , Temple could be a huge plus and a huge thorn in the side of Penn St and The B1G. It is also a mega talent rich recruiting region. The southern ACC schools won't mind getting their hooks in that area. They have good hoops and would be a natural lax upgrade.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I get it. But we play in South Beach every 15 years or so.

ACC will go to a 9 game conf schedule in a few years which will cut down on that timeframe.

 

[TexanMark]

Temple is fool's gold. They need a stadium and 25k consistent fans first.

 

[IthacaMatt]

If UConn goes to the B1G...the ACC will counter with Cincy I assume. I can't see Miami/FSU wanting UCF or USF.

I don't think the ACC will add any more teams unless a college football playoff forces ND to join as a full member. Then there is one last spot on the ark to pair with the Irish.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Sometimes it is a strategic longterm play...the numbers probably don't support UConn yet but long term it will pay off.

Suppose I would question that as well though. Wouldn't long term make more sense to add a team in a more college football centric market with a greater population increase vs a pro centric market where population growth is stagnent on declining?

 

[TexanMark]

I don't think the ACC will add any more teams unless a college football playoff forces ND to join as a full member. Then there is one last spot on the ark to pair with the Irish.

I agree...Cincy or UConn are the most likely

UCF, Temple and Nova are long shots

 

[Lawrinson14]

every move that has happened...basically came out of nowhere.

and now storz, who is left standing at the altar, in danger of being left behind forever...is going to leak that they have a shot at survival?? thus potentially slamming their own door in their face???

not buying it.

imatt made some good points as to why it would make a little sense for the b1g.

dead horse alert: ACC shouldve grabbed rutgers, warts and all.

Yup. ACC could have COMPLETELY locked up the East coast had they grabbed uconn and rutgers. I know Clemson and Fl St. would have been against it, but damn. The entire east coast would be theirs.

 

[HtownOrange]

Some random comments:

1) UConn does not move anyone's interest meter right now. Weak football, hoops not relevant enough (not enough $$)
2) The B1G will sign a new TV deal which will better signify where the conferences stand. IF they make mondo $$$, PSU is solidified in the midwestern league. If not so, the ACC will catch up in $$$ over the current deal with look-ins and a network deal, PSU could be poached.
3) PSU has never really considered Maryland a rival and Rutgers was a merely a tune up game. No changes there, just two annual patsies and neither will draw media attention in NYC or throughout the northeast.
4) PSU has a history with Pitt and Syracuse. No one in the B1G can match either and no school in the B1G cares to really develop a hatred of PSU.
5) OU is still the best bet for B1G and the BTN. They move the needle in the middle states as well as across the nation. Academically, they are tied with UNL, if the B1G can accept UNL, they can surely take OU. Any discussion of UConn being invited must be qualified with OU.
6) Kansas would be a boon for the B1G and the BTN, as much or more so than UConn.
7) Only Texas and Oklahoma have the cache (and cash) to leave the Big 12 before their current deal is done/nearly done. Kansas is a one trick pony (hoops) and no one else in the Big 12 is regionally, let alone nationally, relevant. If either leaves, then the whole Big 12 is probably done for, if both leave, there is no more Big 12, like there is no more Big East, the name might survive but the luster will be forever gone.
8) Nothing happens until the ACC decides whether to allow conference to determine their own champions or not. No need to change immediately and this questions will get resolved soon.

Edit:
9) Rutgers offers nothing of value to anyone. So long as B1G football and hoops are not relevant in national titles, there will only be mild interest in the B1G fan bases already in NYC. Joe Sixpack CFB fan will not watch Rutgers v. Iowa or Indiana and get excited.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Temple is fool's gold. They need a stadium and 25k consistent fans first.

Agreed, to much work have to be done by the ACC to get that school anywhere near the level it needs to be for Div 1 hoops not to mention the fact they dont have lacrosse and there bball program really slipped last year. If the ACC has to run out and get someone, Cincy is still out there and would pretty much do anything for an invite including adding lax or whatever the ACC needed.

 

[TexanMark]

Suppose I would question that as well though. Wouldn't long term make more sense to add a team in a more college football centric market with a greater population increase vs a pro centric market where population growth is stagnent on declining?

CT is a high income area and gets you part of the NYC DMA

 

[IthacaMatt]

No one conference will "lock up New York."

I'm one of the few who thinks the ACC should take UConn now because of the value they could bring to an ACC network, but that report is just one guy speculating. And what else has the B1G beaten the ACC to the punch over? They certainly don't beat the ACC on the field when it matters.

No disrespect intended with this, but what value does UConn really bring to the ACC? The conference has enough basketball teams that are top caliber already. UConn doesn't have any football value. It's not like the ACC needs cable TV boxes in Connecticut. I would wager that the ACC games are already the top rated games in that state and in NYC. They don't expand the footprint.

 

[TexanMark]

Yup. ACC could have COMPLETELY locked up the East coast had they grabbed uconn and rutgers. I know Clemson and Fl St. would have been against it, but damn. The entire east coast would be theirs.

Kaiser and I saw the strategic importance of grabbing Rutgers. It is all about geography.