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Smoke or BS in CT (B1G)?

Does UConn have an invite to the B1G? If they do...so what. I hope to never play Rutgers or UConn in anything EVER again. I'm just curious as to what is keeping the fans of those programs who post here from watching them play other teams...knock yourselves out! It's strange that SU finds itself in a much better place but some still wax nostalgic about the great rivalries we had with Rutgers and UConn. What universe did that take place in???
 
UConn is NOT GETTING an invite into the B1G. I am not going to read this entire thread because its pointless. The B1G just got the BTN on Cablevision and TWC in NYC WITHOUT needing UConn. Awful announcing just came out with this article
http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/big...ars&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

BTN will be generating about 48 million dollars a year off the NYC markeyt and that is without UConn. Why is the B1G going to add UConn and have another mouth to feed when the state of CT at 1.00 per cable subscriber won't generate the money for the BTN to justify adding UConn. This is just crap by UConn fans clinging to blind hope which is all they have.
This really does hurt UConn's chances at gaining entry to the B1G. Poor time for this Scott Gray character to start a rumor.
 
They have 4 Natty's in Hoops...you don't think Delany wants some off that luster?

You'd split your money, largely generated by football, with a basketball program just because they've won national titles? There's really no guarantee they'd win another one. Maybe they could get Johns Hopkins in a package deal, grab some lax titles?
 
UConn is NOT GETTING an invite into the B1G. I am not going to read this entire thread because its pointless. The B1G just got the BTN on Cablevision and TWC in NYC WITHOUT needing UConn. Awful announcing just came out with this article
http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/big...ars&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

BTN will be generating about 48 million dollars a year off the NYC markeyt and that is without UConn. Why is the B1G going to add UConn and have another mouth to feed when the state of CT at 1.00 per cable subscriber won't generate the money for the BTN to justify adding UConn. This is just crap by UConn fans clinging to blind hope which is all they have.

Who said they got $1 a sub?

That was pure conjecture from that piece.
 
No influence from UConn friends whatsoever.

I realize UConn football recruiting is down now, but B1G invite, should it happen, would put them back on solid footing with SU, BC and others. Don't kid yourself.

Personally, I'd rather be in a conference with UConn, Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State...and Ohio State.

One year in and I'm already bored with the ACC. The novelty wore off pretty quickly.

We'll see if this has any legs.

I stand my ground.



Wow.

Completely disagree.

The demographics all favor the ACC - the move to the southeast.

That's where we want to be.

I can't wait to go to Death Valley and I can't wait to see FSU back in the Dome.
 
Who said they got $1 a sub?

That was pure conjecture from that piece.
The dollar a subscription isn't the news its the fact that BTN/B1G got the deals done with Cablevision and TWC so easily and won't need UConn to get the BTN on basic cable in NYC. Matt Yoder the author of the article is a B1G homer as he is an Ohio State guy, but even if the BTN gets .50 cents a subscription that is about 30 million dollars a year and Rutgers pays for itself either way. I think that the B1G/BTN will make a lot of money from NYC even though Rutgers will suck on the field.
 
Rutgers paid for themselves(about 48 million per year). The BTN is going to be raking in a lot of money from NYC Cablevision/Time Warner Customers. That news should be a shot in the heart to UConn because the B1G was able to get on the NYC cable companies without needing UConn to help.

I like your posts but will have to disagree with your source's math. He was VERY generous in comparing the NYC media willingly paying $1.00/subscriber when that is the average for the BTN in BTN centric states. Below fifty cents would be far more believable, perhaps as low as 10 cents/.

As for Rutgers paying for themselves, I again must disagree as there is more interest in the other BTN schools than Rutgers so the BTN could have had this deal without Rutgers and without paying for a patsy game.

Further, the writer assumes every east coast city/state will also pay the BTN premium. This is especially generous as Philly is already a "BTN" town, DC never cared about Maryland football and so and so on.

We should probably wait for the real numbers to come out before we crown the BTN the sweepstakes winner this writer believes them to be.

Food for thought: If the BTN can get such a good deal, why isn't ESPN fast tracking the SECN and ACCN to at least capitalize on the generosity of the cable networks in NYC and the northeast? Why is ESPN ceding ground (NYC, Northeast) to the BTN when ESPN (owned by Disney and partnered by ABC) could easily make things happen if it was that advantageous?

Edit: Another point, the BTN is still 51% owned by Fox, so the B1G is getting slightly less than half of any deal. Even with the generous math the writer used (back of the napkin, I think is the term he used), the BTN would receive less than $24MM, if I recall, which is less than each team earned last season without Rutgers.
 
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Alsacs said:
The dollar a subscription isn't the news its the fact that BTN/B1G got the deals done with Cablevision and TWC so easily and won't need UConn to get the BTN on basic cable in NYC. Matt Yoder the author of the article is a B1G homer as he is an Ohio State guy, but even if the BTN gets .50 cents a subscription that is about 30 million dollars a year and Rutgers pays for itself either way. I think that the B1G/BTN will make a lot of money from NYC even though Rutgers will suck on the field.

Doesn't Fox own 51% of the BTN?
 
Doesn't Fox own 51% of the BTN?
FOX does own 51% of BTN. I am sure FOX/Delany negotiating are how BTN got the deals done with TWC/Cablevision so early.
 
Alsacs said:
FOX does own 51% of BTN. I am sure FOX/Delany negotiating are how BTN got the deals done with TWC/Cablevision so early.

Were you considering that in the rough estimates for what the B1G will take home?
 
I like your posts but will have to disagree with your source's math. He was VERY generous in comparing the NYC media willingly paying $1.00/subscriber when that is the average for the BTN in BTN centric states. Below fifty cents would be far more believable, perhaps as low as 10 cents/.

As for Rutgers paying for themselves, I again must disagree as there is more interest in the other BTN schools than Rutgers so the BTN could have had this deal without Rutgers and without paying for a patsy game.

Further, the writer assumes every east coast city/state will also pay the BTN premium. This is especially generous as Philly is already a "BTN" town, DC never cared about Maryland football and so and so on.

We should probably wait for the real numbers to come out before we crown the BTN the sweepstakes winner this writer believes them to be.

Food for thought: If the BTN can get such a good deal, why isn't ESPN fast tracking the SECN and ACCN to at least capitalize on the generosity of the cable networks in NYC and the northeast? Why is ESPN ceding ground (NYC, Northeast) to the BTN when ESPN (owned by Disney and partnered by ABC) could easily make things happen if it was that advantageous?

Edit: Another point, the BTN is still 51% owned by Fox, so the B1G is getting slightly less than half of any deal. Even with the generous math the writer used (back of the napkin, I think is the term he used), the BTN would receive less than $24MM, if I recall, which is less than each team earned last season without Rutgers.
I agree the 48 million does seem like a stretch and as I said I don't like Yoder because he is a B1G/Ohio State homer and doesn't like the ACC on Awfulannouncing, but the fact the B1G was able to get deals done with TWC/Cablevision means the B1G will get good money from the NYC cable market. I agree it may not be 1 dollar per subscriber and may be .50 cents per subscriber, but the point is if the B1G was able to get on the basic cable tier in NYC without needing UConn their is no reason to add UConn because their biggest value is in helping the B1G own the NYC market which they won't be needed for now.
 
Were you considering that in the rough estimates for what the B1G will take home?
No, I wasn't as I said I think the Yoder article is a little full of crap on the 48 million figure as he is a shill for Delany, but the news that BTN/B1G made deals this early with the 2 largest cable providers in NYC should shoot a dagger thru the belief UConn is needed for the B1G which is what this threaded started on. UConn needed the B1G to struggle getting BTN on in NYC to even be considered.
 
FOX does own 51% of BTN. I am sure FOX/Delany negotiating are how BTN got the deals done with TWC/Cablevision so early.

That kind of defeats your claim about Rutgers paying for themselves. At the homer mount of $48MM, Fox gets 1/2 (roughly) and the BTN receives $24MM. This is less than each team B1G team received last year from all sources. As Rutgers will not bring in new bowl money, the only money they bring to the B1G is the TV deals.

At fifty cents per subscriber, then the deal is worse for the B1G, receiving $12 MM from the presumed deal. Rutgers fails to pay for itself.

When the Rutgers announcement came, Delaney was hoping for (very high end of scale) for 80 cents per subscriber, but would be happy with 40 cents per subscriber. Most analysts believed 25 cents would be a generous deal for the BTN.

My point in a previous post holds true, the BTN probably could have gotten the same deal without Rutgers.
 
No, I wasn't as I said I think the Yoder article is a little full of crap on the 48 million figure as he is a shill for Delany, but the news that BTN/B1G made deals this early with the 2 largest cable providers in NYC should shoot a dagger thru the belief UConn is needed for the B1G which is what this threaded started on. UConn needed the B1G to struggle getting BTN on in NYC to even be considered.


Fully agree that UConn is not and was not necessary for a BTN deal in NYC. If I recall, you have been consistent on this for some time.
 
That kind of defeats your claim about Rutgers paying for themselves. At the homer mount of $48MM, Fox gets 1/2 (roughly) and the BTN receives $24MM. This is less than each team B1G team received last year from all sources. As Rutgers will not bring in new bowl money, the only money they bring to the B1G is the TV deals.

At fifty cents per subscriber, then the deal is worse for the B1G, receiving $12 MM from the presumed deal. Rutgers fails to pay for itself.

When the Rutgers announcement came, Delaney was hoping for (very high end of scale) for 80 cents per subscriber, but would be happy with 40 cents per subscriber. Most analysts believed 25 cents would be a generous deal for the BTN.

My point in a previous post holds true, the BTN probably could have gotten the same deal without Rutgers.
I think Rutgers was a dumb addition for the B1G, but the B1G wasn't getting on the basic cable tier in NYC without having a local team. I have no clue how much the B1G/BTN will get per subscriber the point is the B1G won't need UConn now for NYC as they are on now.
 
The dollar a subscription isn't the news its the fact that BTN/B1G got the deals done with Cablevision and TWC so easily and won't need UConn to get the BTN on basic cable in NYC. Matt Yoder the author of the article is a B1G homer as he is an Ohio State guy, but even if the BTN gets .50 cents a subscription that is about 30 million dollars a year and Rutgers pays for itself either way. I think that the B1G/BTN will make a lot of money from NYC even though Rutgers will suck on the field.

Of course the amount is news. It's critically important. If the BTN is getting 15 cents instead of 1 dollar, that's a totally different calculus in determining if their move into NJ was worth it.

Throughout the past 10 years of realignment and media speculation, the figures people throw around online are often utterly ludicrous.
 
You guys are forgetting to factor in all of the Rutgers NCAA tournament credits in your BIG 10 estimates.

oh... wait... nevermind.

The scarlet cable boxes will be a money maker for the Big 10, until the current cable model dies.

Let me also add... I have no doubt, NJ politicians will plunder any windfall from the big ten deal.
 
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OrangePA said:
Wow. Completely disagree. The demographics all favor the ACC - the move to the southeast. That's where we want to be. I can't wait to go to Death Valley and I can't wait to see FSU back in the Dome.

About 15 years ago, I was in favor of an Eastern seaboard conference. But it didn't include 4 schools from North Carolina or Virginia Tech. So I'm not opposed to the ACC, just the balance of schools. It makes sense for a lot of reasons.
 
I have no doubt, NJ politicians will plunder any windfall from the big ten deal.


So, what you are saying is that the Rutgers to the B1G deal just netted the Jersey legislature some $25-30MM, plus this new cable deal?

Sadly, you are probably correct.
 
Oh, I agree. The Western half of the B1G does nothing for me. But I'd like to play Penn State and Maryland more often. It also saddens me that top program in NY state no longer plays the top program in New Jersey. Just absurd.

We'll see whether the B1G helps Rutgers and Maryland football recruiting. Too early to judge.

I'll go to my grave, though, as a supporter of regional rivalries.


Top program in NJ? I don't think we have ever played Rowan
 
all the big 10 reporters and scott grey gets the scoop? Don't think so.
 

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