So Babers is sold on Shrader?

[RandomGuy]

Your really into the “grade”. Never cared that much for QB ratings in college. Especially when your running a lot of RPO type plays and your QB makes two tough TDs

Yeah. It probably doesn't account for "it" , but its a good indicator of talent.

Overall
Tommy #47
Garrett #137

 

[FloridaFan]

Your really into the “grade”. Never cared that much for QB ratings in college. Especially when your running a lot of RPO type plays and your QB makes two tough TDs

A 1 yard TD is “tough?”

 

[corpjet]

The backup is always the most popular.

In every game Tommy has ever appeared for Cuse(30?), only once did he Grade as poorly as Garrett. (Liberty 2019)

Just ask Sooner fans as they were cheering for Rattlers back up for most of the game...

 

[OrangeDW]

A 1 yard TD is “tough?”

If I recall, didn’t he get it to the 1 with that fake pitch run?

Regardless of which QB you prefer, having his legs in the red zone is looking like a major plus so far.

 

[JRHEETER]

A 1 yard TD is “tough?”

Dude, why do you hate Shrader so much man?

What did he do to you?

 

[Killdozer]

The backup is always the most popular.

In every game Tommy has ever appeared for Cuse(30?), only once did he Grade as poorly as Garrett. (Liberty 2019)

And yet he still can't win football games.

 

[JRHEETER]

And yet he still can't win football games.

You do hate to see it

 

[AngryOtto]

Again, the bottom line is that the defense won this game - not the offense, which ceased to work after Liberty realized we had no passing game. Either GS has to get a lot better, (as he realized, per the post game presser), or here comes TD.

In my pinion one of GS best attributes is accepting responsibility and not placing blame on anyone.
I do not see him ever throwing anyone on his team under the bus.
That is a leader and great teammate.

 

[Old Scout 65]

These comparisons are skewed as shrader hit on a long screen in the Albany game

And Tommy had three completions od five yards or less while running out the clock against Rutgers

 

[SUskibum]

Looking at Shrader’s stats at MSU in 2019. He threw for 1200 yards total (58% completion rate) and ran for another 600. He appeared in 10 games and started 4 of them, subbing for QB1 Tommy Stevens, a Penn State transfer.

Stats for games started: vs Kentucky 180 yards passing and 125 rushing; vs Auburn 209 yards passing and 89 rushing; vs LSU 238 yards passing and 66 rushing; vs Texas A&M 238 yards passing (negligible rushing).

Shrader’s only other start was this past Friday and was the only time he has failed to pass for at least 180 yards. Of course, those SEC pass defenses are like swiss cheese compared to Liberty’s.

I am not suggesting that GS is exceptionally gifted as a passing QB, indeed his arm strength and accuracy is mediocre by FBS standards. But to say he can’t complete passes is not borne out by his experience as a true freshman at MSU. I would suggest that Gilbert’s play calling had as much or more to do with Friday’s lack of an air attack as Shrader’s shortcomings in the arm department.

Thanks for doing this. I am hopeful GS can settle in as a passer as well.

One small issue is that if you watched the GS ‘most of the plays’ at MS YouTube highlight video you would notice there was only 1 completed pass over 20 yards. I will look up the PFF for that year but i watched that video a couple times looking for Dungey like throws and saw only 1.

SEC receivers YACing a throw should not be confused with downfield passing.

 

[FloridaFan]

Dude, why do you hate Shrader so much man?

What did he do to you?

It’s the hyperbole and hypocrisy I’m tired of. People are overlooking the same stuff they would complain about with other QB’s and are acting like he does things no one else on the team can do. He didn’t score two “tough” touchdowns. It was shown that the majority of his SEC stats came when the games were out of hand. People say Tommy only did good against MAC and lesser teams but shredder has down it against Liberty and Albany. Plus people still hold animosity over Tommy’s fathers abrasiveness here. Let’s see GS versus FSU before we start appointing him as the savior of syraxuse football

 

[JRHEETER]

It’s the hyperbole and hypocrisy I’m tired of. People are overlooking the same stuff they would complain about with other QB’s and are acting like he does things no one else on the team can do. He didn’t score two “tough” touchdowns. It was shown that the majority of his SEC stats came when the games were out of hand. People say Tommy only did good against MAC and lesser teams but shredder has down it against Liberty and Albany. Plus people still hold animosity over Tommy’s fathers abrasiveness here. Let’s see GS versus FSU before we start appointing him as the savior of syraxuse football

My man, TD has only done well against MAC teams…. And even that is iffy at best. He has lost FAR more games than he has won.

At some point you gotta try something different. The guy had TWO full seasons to show us what he had and won VERY little.

Sorry, GS is a good change of pace. Everyone is aware he’s not our savior but at least my god, the man makes the games palatable to watch.

 

[RandomGuy]

And yet he still can't win football games.

In 2019/2020 we all complained about about no slants, no quick outs, throws to the TE's, etc. Things you might expect. Nope.

For Garrett the offense was changed. Love it! (Thank goodness for Tucker)

What would happen if they changed the offense for Devito? We may never know. Therin lies my beef with shrader/ devito comparisons. Obviously, I want whomever our QB is to succeed.

 

[FloridaFan]

My man, TD has only done well against MAC teams…. And even that is iffy at best. He has lost FAR more games than he has won.

At some point you gotta try something different. The guy had TWO full seasons to show us what he had and won VERY little.

Sorry, GS is a good change of pace. Everyone is aware he’s not our savior but at least my god, the man makes the games palatable to watch.

Palatable? I didn’t find anything on offense in the second half that was like that to watch. I’ll be at FSU to root tjem on as much as one fan can but I don’t find a proto triple option fun to watch minus watching Tucker jump start his heisman campaign

 

[AngryOtto]

I expect we will see both QBs situationally, and I expect sitting for that game will do Tommy a lot of good. New perspective can have positive impact on people.

I hope not. Give GS all the reps with the first team and game plan around his skill set. If we continue to struggle on O than look to one of the other qbs.
TD watched 7 games last year and not sure it improved his play this year. Now maybe being benched will light a fire under him but I’m not sure that is enough to fix his existing issues.

 

[TheCusian]

Your really into the “grade”. Never cared that much for QB ratings in college. Especially when your running a lot of RPO type plays and your QB makes two tough TDs

Those get graded now - old stats were dumb, new stats include a lot of this stuff because it’s helpful

 

[JRHEETER]

Palatable? I didn’t find anything on offense in the second half that was like that to watch. I’ll be at FSU to root tjem on as much as one fan can but I don’t find a proto triple option fun to watch minus watching Tucker jump start his heisman campaign

Dude, sounds like GS really rubbed you wrong. I’m sorry you don’t like him

 

[TheCusian]

Forget your stupid grading, we won the game. I personally hate it when a guy gets a good grade and loses. The point of the game is to win . If you lose and had a good grade, you had a bad game because you lost. There is no participation trophy in college football.

This says a lot. If you lose and had a good grade it means you lost for other reasons and it’s wise to look at those

It has nothing to do with participation and everything to do with it being a team sport

illuminating post

 

[Killdozer]

In 2019/2020 we all complained about about no slants, no quick outs, throws to the TE's, etc. Things you might expect. Nope.

For Garrett the offense was changed. Love it! (Thank goodness for Tucker)

What would happen if they changed the offense for Devito? We may never know. Therin lies my beef with shrader/ devito comparisons. Obviously, I want whomever our QB is to succeed.

I believe that they tried to change it for TD but not successfully. The system that Dino brought in dies not fit TDs skills and Dino is not going to change his scheme. The offense was not changed for GS he is just a better fit.

 

[SUskibum]

In 2019/2020 we all complained about about no slants, no quick outs, throws to the TE's, etc. Things you might expect. Nope.

For Garrett the offense was changed. Love it! (Thank goodness for Tucker)

What would happen if they changed the offense for Devito? We may never know. Therin lies my beef with shrader/ devito comparisons. Obviously, I want whomever our QB is to succeed.

This is where I am.

I am not sure why the staff loses their ever loving mind when it comes to play calling when Tommy is QB. We should be running 60% of the time (like vs Ohio) no matter who is at QB. Somebody tore apart Tommy’s Q4 vs Rutgers and I just wonder what those drives would have looked like with 5-6 tucker carries, a screen pass to Tuck/Adams and a play action deep to Alford.

I bet the offense looks a whole lot better. Sort of like in the Ohio game or the first half of Liberty (both Defenses stink btw) both looked good with different QBs

 

[TheCusian]

Dude, sounds like GS really rubbed you wrong. I’m sorry you don’t like him

It’s not about liking one or the other - it’s about getting him to be effecient.

I’m pro-get the position to a better place. Shrader or DeVito - we’ll need both to be better than any of them have been this season. Agree?

 

[TheCusian]

I believe that they tried to change it for TD but not successfully. The system that Dino brought in dies not fit TDs skills and Dino is not going to change his scheme. The offense was not changed for GS he is just a better fit.

Nope. The system needs accurate vertical passing in addition to the other stuff. That’s why a lot of people are saying pump the brakes in shelving TD permanently

 

[JRHEETER]

It’s not about liking one or the other - it’s about getting him to be effecient.

I’m pro-get the position to a better place. Shrader or DeVito - we’ll need both to be better than any of them have been this season. Agree?

oh I agree

But my man just bashes on Garrett for no reason…..so I was curious what his issue is

 

[JRHEETER]

Nope. The system needs accurate vertical passing in addition to the other stuff. That’s why a lot of people are saying pump the brakes in shelving TD permanently

I don’t think you shelve him for the season

But I think GS should get a majority of the run this season

 

[Deleted member 8116]

This team can and will be successful by running the ball and throwing short passes, along with a good defense. Deep routes should only be called to keep the defense honest and when safeties creep to far up. I don’t know how much I trust this OC though. Some weird calls in the second half .