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So Babers is sold on Shrader?

And when did that happen this year?
Go I believe you were the one that questioned if Shrader was making strides during camp. I think the info i had was that he would start sooner than later. I was at the Rutgers game as i posted and felt that Shrader looked poor. Not what i had heard. Simply put he didnt look good and i thought that Tommy was playing a good game. At this point i believe that we have a two headed QB situation. I expect Dino to roll with the QB that gives us the best chance to win and i fully expect TD to get a lot more snaps as the season moves forward. Four games in what are your thoughts?
 
The thing is, they may be seeing different metrics than we do. Yeah, we know that Tommy has a stronger arm and Shrader (thanks Chip for reminding me not to insert a "c") is stronger and the more powerful runner, but for the season their passing stats are surprisingly close.

Devito has 388 yards vs Shrader's 317. He is completing 61.5% of his passes vs. Shrader's very close 59.5%. Shrader averages 1 yard more per pass, and their longest passes are 73 and 72 yards respectively. Each has (sadly) only thrown for 1 TD, Devito has 2 ints vs 1 for Shrader. Tommy has taken 6 sacks vs only 1 for Shrader. In terms of QB rating, Shrader is 134.9 vs Devito's 122.9.

Overall, not much separation in an area where conventional wisdom says Devito would be significantly better. The flip side holds for rushing; they are likewise very close in a category where you would expect Shrader to be much better. The one thing that pops out is Shrader has more rushing TD's.

One final thing to add is that we have played two stronger teams and two tomato cans. Tommy achieved 50% of his passing stats against the tomato cans while Shrader achieved 57% of his against the harder competition. Probably a little statistically significant but not by much.

Statistically, there isn't much daylight between the two. At that point, it comes down to whatever else the coaches are looking at PLUS what they see every day in practice (that we aren't privy to).

Some fans have their favorite. I truly do not care who is behind center as long as we win. Otto? The statue of Ernie from the quad? The kid behind the cash register at The Varsity? A dead fish floating in Onondaga Lake? If any of the above can guide us to a win, it all works for me. Especially the fish, because it would be kind of unique in the ACC.
I'm with you on that and was really my point. They are definitely looking at other elements and metrics within the passing game and for what they need out of the position. I have no horse in this race, as a fan I just want the team to win. Hopefully we we find some wining mojo next week as well.
 
And that aspect of our game this year is the most important. You don't get hand offs to Tucker you don't win games. We have the luxury of having a young RB who has got to be running a 4.4 and leads the nation in rushing. I think we have found our running back who is as fast or almost as fast as Jordan with a sturdy body which we didn't have with 5'9" 170lb. Hamilton, AZ grad, who if he got hit was going to limp off. He is a great back with great vision but our opinions of him may change or stay the same in that after our ACC schedule begins. If the O Line keeps opening areas for him to get through he will get through them and he's gone.

I was a QB All State private school in N.J. and played a year for SU. A lot of our running plays featured at times double fakes and then me going around end or throwing providing I had the blocking which most of the time I had. But I had to make sure the fakes to the belly were as real as I could make them and take them out without losing the ball. Shrader has that ability and it can really affect a defense especially with a back as good as Tucker.

I watched Shrader and he has very good control of the ball, is a good game manager, the team looks up to him and his passing isn't that bad. we keep on winning he stays put.
Mental note for me my friend, listen to BillSU, he’s been there too. Appreciate the “inside” experienced take.
 
The thing is, they may be seeing different metrics than we do. Yeah, we know that Tommy has a stronger arm and Shrader (thanks Chip for reminding me not to insert a "c") is stronger and the more powerful runner, but for the season their passing stats are surprisingly close.

Devito has 388 yards vs Shrader's 317. He is completing 61.5% of his passes vs. Shrader's very close 59.5%. Shrader averages 1 yard more per pass, and their longest passes are 73 and 72 yards respectively. Each has (sadly) only thrown for 1 TD, Devito has 2 ints vs 1 for Shrader. Tommy has taken 6 sacks vs only 1 for Shrader. In terms of QB rating, Shrader is 134.9 vs Devito's 122.9.

Overall, not much separation in an area where conventional wisdom says Devito would be significantly better. The flip side holds for rushing; they are likewise very close in a category where you would expect Shrader to be much better. The one thing that pops out is Shrader has more rushing TD's.

One final thing to add is that we have played two stronger teams and two tomato cans. Tommy achieved 50% of his passing stats against the tomato cans while Shrader achieved 57% of his against the harder competition. Probably a little statistically significant but not by much.

Statistically, there isn't much daylight between the two. At that point, it comes down to whatever else the coaches are looking at PLUS what they see every day in practice (that we aren't privy to).

Some fans have their favorite. I truly do not care who is behind center as long as we win. Otto? The statue of Ernie from the quad? The kid behind the cash register at The Varsity? A dead fish floating in Onondaga Lake? If any of the above can guide us to a win, it all works for me. Especially the fish, because it would be kind of unique in the ACC.
When under pressure
Tommy 60% adj completion rate
Garrett. 41.7% adj completion rate
 
I was pre- season team Shrader….just thought I had seen enough of TDs shortcomings to think they couldn’t get significantly better, and I don’t think Dino brought in Shrader, just to light a fire….but…having seen Shrader in more than a full game my assessment of him is that it appears:

*He has a better feel for the game
*A much weaker and less accurate arm with marginal mechanics
*A better runner getting tough yards

Having said that, I’m not sure he can run an effective come from behind or two minute offense.

We’re gonna need TD at some point. Hope he keeps his head in the game.
 
Go I believe you were the one that questioned if Shrader was making strides during camp. I think the info i had was that he would start sooner than later. I was at the Rutgers game as i posted and felt that Shrader looked poor. Not what i had heard. Simply put he didnt look good and i thought that Tommy was playing a good game. At this point i believe that we have a two headed QB situation. I expect Dino to roll with the QB that gives us the best chance to win and i fully expect TD to get a lot more snaps as the season moves forward. Four games in what are your thoughts?
My big concern is that what happened the last 25 minutes is the norm.

Im not sure slow playing run heavy offense is going to do enough vs teams like wake, pitt, L’Ville and bc.

shrader might be the perfect guy vs FSU, because I think Dino is going to try to beat them up and be more physical. The best chance vs Clemson, VT, and nc state may be to turn those games into white knuckle rock fights so go with shrader.



Devito might be the best choice vs wake, Pitt, L’Ville and bc because you are going to need to be able to keep up on the scoreboard
 
The backup is always the most popular.

In every game Tommy has ever appeared for Cuse(30?), only once did he Grade as poorly as Garrett. (Liberty 2019)
That is very demonstrative of how some statistics are not the be-all and end-all when it comes to winning college football games. Lots of nuance and intangibles that can’t be measured are frequently important as well.
 
The backup is always the most popular.

In every game Tommy has ever appeared for Cuse(30?), only once did he Grade as poorly as Garrett. (Liberty 2019)
How many of his games have we scored fewer than 24 points though?

Not that 24 is good.

Dino said both will play. So far they have. He explained why Shrader played the whole game against Liberty. We’ll see what happens.
 
Neither have been good against teams with a pulse.

Tommy
15-26 57.7% 149 yards 5.7 YPA 0 TD 1 INT 5 sacks
9 rushes 13 yards 0 TD 1 fumble

Shrader
10-21 47.6% 119 yards 5.7 YPA 0 TD 0 INT 2 sacks
20 rushes 47 yards 2 TD 0 fumbles

They are the same in YPA.

Tommy has Shrader in completion %.

Shrader has Tommy in rushing yards, has been sacked less, has turned it over less, and has more TDs.

The sample size is very small but Tommy has more negative plays and has produced less TDs. His passing hasn't been any better in terms of YPA.
 
The backup is always the most popular.

In every game Tommy has ever appeared for Cuse(30?), only once did he Grade as poorly as Garrett. (Liberty 2019)
Your really into the “grade”. Never cared that much for QB ratings in college. Especially when your running a lot of RPO type plays and your QB makes two tough TDs
 
I hope GS kills it vs. FSU. I just see it differently. I think we win by 21 tonight with TD. He would’ve placed the ball in tuckers belly the same amount and actually complete some downfield passes. Can you imagine? Lol
Tommy would have had the ball bad snapped over his head at least twice, and probab;ly fumbled at least once. Tommy has looked bad through his many chances. the only thing he has is a better arm.
 
Fell apart when the coaches didn’t adjust, made terrible calls, didn’t put the offense in position to win nor give them/Shrader a chance.

Next week we will see a more open O with more passing. Might be with both qbs
I expect we will see both QBs situationally, and I expect sitting for that game will do Tommy a lot of good. New perspective can have positive impact on people.
 
Call me crazy but it would not surprise me if DeVito trotted out for the first series at Florida St. it would be quite the curveball, I just want the team to win, anyway they can. Friday night national game all Schrader, Devito trots out next week!!
 
The thing is, they may be seeing different metrics than we do. Yeah, we know that Tommy has a stronger arm and Shrader (thanks Chip for reminding me not to insert a "c") is stronger and the more powerful runner, but for the season their passing stats are surprisingly close.

Devito has 388 yards vs Shrader's 317. He is completing 61.5% of his passes vs. Shrader's very close 59.5%. Shrader averages 1 yard more per pass, and their longest passes are 73 and 72 yards respectively. Each has (sadly) only thrown for 1 TD, Devito has 2 ints vs 1 for Shrader. Tommy has taken 6 sacks vs only 1 for Shrader. In terms of QB rating, Shrader is 134.9 vs Devito's 122.9.

Overall, not much separation in an area where conventional wisdom says Devito would be significantly better. The flip side holds for rushing; they are likewise very close in a category where you would expect Shrader to be much better. The one thing that pops out is Shrader has more rushing TD's.

One final thing to add is that we have played two stronger teams and two tomato cans. Tommy achieved 50% of his passing stats against the tomato cans while Shrader achieved 57% of his against the harder competition. Probably a little statistically significant but not by much.

Statistically, there isn't much daylight between the two. At that point, it comes down to whatever else the coaches are looking at PLUS what they see every day in practice (that we aren't privy to).

Some fans have their favorite. I truly do not care who is behind center as long as we win. Otto? The statue of Ernie from the quad? The kid behind the cash register at The Varsity? A dead fish floating in Onondaga Lake? If any of the above can guide us to a win, it all works for me. Especially the fish, because it would be kind of unique in the ACC.
These comparisons are skewed as shrader hit on a long screen in the Albany game
 
The backup is always the most popular.

In every game Tommy has ever appeared for Cuse(30?), only once did he Grade as poorly as Garrett. (Liberty 2019)
Forget your stupid grading, we won the game. I personally hate it when a guy gets a good grade and loses. The point of the game is to win . If you lose and had a good grade, you had a bad game because you lost. There is no participation trophy in college football.
 
Call me crazy but it would not surprise me if DeVito trotted out for the first series at Florida St. it would be quite the curveball, I just want the team to win, anyway they can. Friday night national game all Schrader, Devito trots out next week!!

The drama

They should make a tv show about it
 

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