So Babers is sold on Shrader?

[djcon57]

to me, it’s not really about GS being good. It’s that Devito didn’t win and got plenty of chances. It’s time to move on...we did this week and won. *shrug*

 

[SWC75]

I believe that they tried to change it for TD but not successfully. The system that Dino brought in dies not fit TDs skills and Dino is not going to change his scheme. The offense was not changed for GS he is just a better fit.

The offense you saw Friday night isn't different than what we've seen since 2016?

It looked like something from the Schwartzwalder Era.

 

[SWC75]

In my pinion one of GS best attributes is accepting responsibility and not placing blame on anyone.
I do not see him ever throwing anyone on his team under the bus.
That is a leader and great teammate.

My interpretation was that he was aware that his performance was inadequate and has to get better in a hurry. He's worried about how well he's going to do here.

 

[Finwad32]

The offense you saw Friday night isn't different than what we've seen since 2016?

It looked like something from the Schwartzwalder Era.

Yeah… a Win.

I kid, I kid.

 

[TheCusian]

I don’t think you shelve him for the season

But I think GS should get a majority of the run this season

I think it’s going to be by committee

 

[kcsu]

My big concern is that what happened the last 25 minutes is the norm.

Im not sure slow playing run heavy offense is going to do enough vs teams like wake, pitt, L’Ville and bc.

shrader might be the perfect guy vs FSU, because I think Dino is going to try to beat them up and be more physical. The best chance vs Clemson, VT, and nc state may be to turn those games into white knuckle rock fights so go with shrader.



Devito might be the best choice vs wake, Pitt, L’Ville and bc because you are going to need to be able to keep up on the scoreboard

Thank you. Both guys bring unique skills to the field. I hope that Dino uses both and that they support each other.

 

[SWC75]

Yeah… a Win.

I kid, I kid.

Those zone read plays look like the old scissors play, which was an inside reverse. the difference is that the QB doesn't turn and handoff to another back. He keeps it himself.

The drive that starts at 1:50 has some good examples:

 

[capeorange]

When under pressure
Tommy 60% adj completion rate
Garrett. 41.7% adj completion rate

When inside either 20 yard line TD low to mid 40% range GS 100% at both ends of the field although a very small sample. Tommy leaves a lot on the table in the red zone.

 

[capeorange]

Schrader's Red Zone TDs were important too. I found some NCAA football stats that show SU as ranking 21st for Red Zone offense in 2018/19. We fell to 110th for 2019/20.

Tommy's passing drops to 42.9% in the red zone.

 

[storange]

The offense you saw Friday night isn't different than what we've seen since 2016?

It looked like something from the Schwartzwalder Era.

Yep , everyone remembers the Syracuse scissors and of course the constant RPOs

 

[gmoney44]

Tommy would have had the ball bad snapped over his head at least twice, and probab;ly fumbled at least once. Tommy has looked bad through his many chances. the only thing he has is a better arm.

Tommy would also be out for the year if he took a few of those hits that GS took Friday night.

 

[zjscuse]

The offense you saw Friday night isn't different than what we've seen since 2016?

It looked like something from the Schwartzwalder Era.

Ay I don’t care what it is if it wins it wins, all these new defenses are tailored to beat the spread, briles fast tempo offenses and they figured it out . Maybe going back to being bruisers hit ya in the mouth, quick slants and dumps with a rpo bomb sprinkled in here and there is what is going to work. Idk I’m just a fan lol

 

[FrancoPizza]

Thanks for doing this. I am hopeful GS can settle in as a passer as well.

One small issue is that if you watched the GS ‘most of the plays’ at MS YouTube highlight video you would notice there was only 1 completed pass over 20 yards. I will look up the PFF for that year but i watched that video a couple times looking for Dungey like throws and saw only 1.

SEC receivers YACing a throw should not be confused with downfield passing.

I think you should watch the entire clip. There are multiple intermediate and long throws. Yes the success rate was a mixed bag but he also made plays and kept plays alive. Devito highlight reel would be nothing but 3 and 5 step drop and pops.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

My man, TD has only done well against MAC teams…. And even that is iffy at best. He has lost FAR more games than he has won.

At some point you gotta try something different. The guy had TWO full seasons to show us what he had and won VERY little.

Sorry, GS is a good change of pace. Everyone is aware he’s not our savior but at least my god, the man makes the games palatable to watch.

What FloridaFan is talking about is Shrader getting credit for handling some bad snaps whereas DeVito loses credit to some fans that believe he wouldn't have handled all the bad snaps. As one example.

Some of how people assess DeVito is really inconsistent with how they assess Shrader.

 

[baggerbob]

Dude, why do you hate Shrader so much man?

What did he do t

This says a lot. If you lose and had a good grade it means you lost for other reasons and it’s wise to look at those

It has nothing to do with participation and everything to do with it being a team sport

illuminating post

The grading doesn't account for the mistakes made by the QB, otherwise Tommy would have had a failing grade against Rutgers, the fumble alone helped lose the game. Any stats should include wining and losing plays, otherwise they are meaningless.

 

[cuseincincy]

actually I dont, I just dont believe Tommy is the biggest issue that we have had. Blaming him is often misplaced. He has had no OLine. See OU's stud all american QB without and oline. Sterling is terrible at calling plays. See our Stud RB not touching the ball after scoring a TD against rutgers. Rediculous penalties taking away touchdowns and killing drives. and WR's that cant catch a ball. Id add TD as the next problem after that. QB play is a symptom of the real issues. They all need fixed before we really progress.

I hope GS goes out and throws 5 TD's next game and throws catchable passes beyond the line of scrimmage. Do anything, as a QB because he only has two memorable passes all season, both under 10 yards. So no, Im not ready to anoint him as the next Brady like so many Devito haters here. Do you really think GS can lead a comeback if we fall behind?

Sometimes you have to fix the problems you can even if they aren't the biggest problem. It really comes down to versatility and GS likely provides more of that. And it may not have been a "comeback," but GS is currently 1 start and 1 game winning drive. GS deserves every bit of opportunity TD has been given.

 

[Cuseregular]

to me, it’s not really about GS being good. It’s that Devito didn’t win and got plenty of chances. It’s time to move on...we did this week and won. *shrug*

Yep, and it's also the little things that don't show on the stats sheet but are just as important that help create the "it" factor in a player with leadership that help in achieving success. This kid has it.

NOT saying TD wouldn't do the same but in watching the replay a couple things stick out that won't show in the stat line, one on one of his Td's he quickly sticks the ball over the goal line for the td, but even quicker pulls the ball back to safety before any Liberty player can even have a swipe at it squeezing the ball tight to his chest.

Then on one of the many bad snaps, one that went to the turf 7 yards back, he simply and calmly sits on it without trying to anything crazy when your ahead, which they were. If you're behind toward the end of a game no try and make a play, which I'd be willing to bet he'd have the situational awareness to try and make a play (much like getting the ball for the game winning fg dead nuts square in the center of the field).

Regardless the points above are more factors to why I like this kid.

 

[TheCusian]

The grading doesn't account for the mistakes made by the QB, otherwise Tommy would have had a failing grade against Rutgers, the fumble alone helped lose the game. Any stats should include wining and losing plays, otherwise they are meaningless.

Some do. He played ok through 3Q and real bad in the 4th. EPA grades each play, for example

 

[Cuseregular]

Some do. He played ok through 3Q and real bad in the 4th. EPA grades each play, for example

Eh not really, just finished the re-watch, he did what was needed to win in the 4th, things only a player like him with his size and running ability can do.

Yes there were a couple poor throws but mostly The play selection was lacking, the d got tired and deflated and burned, contributed to by the bad third down call and not going for it on 4th. Kid put us in a position to win. Period end of story on that point.

Also from the rewatch no one would be talking about any pass game concerns had the liberty dback not illegally chucked Alford beyond 5 yards on play one, pass would’ve been perfect, also the sideline pass was spot on if our WR stayed in bounds.

Much like I concluded after the Ohio rewatch that TD played even better than I thought in person, same here with GS on this rewatch.

 

[IthacaMatt]

When under pressure
Tommy 60% adj completion rate
Garrett. 41.7% adj completion rate

"When statistics lie", example 6,859.

Ask any guy at the tailgate, in the bar, or at the game:

"Do you think Tommy is good under pressure?"

I would bet on about an 80% "no" answer rate.

 

[TheCusian]

Eh not really, just finished the re-watch, he did what was needed to win in the 4th, things only a player like him with his size and running ability can do.

Yes there were a couple poor throws but mostly The play selection was lacking, the d got tired and deflated and burned, contributed to by the bad third down call and not going for it on 4th. Kid put us in a position to win. Period end of story on that point.

Also from the rewatch no one would be talking about any pass game concerns had the liberty dback not illegally chucked Alford beyond 5 yards, pass would’ve been perfect, also the sideline pass was spot on if our WR stayed in bounds.

I appreciate the response but I was talking about Tommy vs Rutgers.

Shrader’s 4th Q wasn’t great. And even if he hits Alford on the first play he has a marginally better day throwing, still not what we’ll need game in, game out. His throwing motion (as I’m sure you can tell) precludes him being super accurate and consistent.

I think Shrader might grow into being a bigger threat with his arm - but accuracy and consistency will be a problem

 

[IthacaMatt]

The backup is always the most popular.

In every game Tommy has ever appeared for Cuse(30?), only once did he Grade as poorly as Garrett. (Liberty 2019)

Is 7W and 12L for his career good enough for you? It's not good enough for me.

What does that tell you? Statistical grades don't always measure or capture what it is that wins games.

 

[TheCusian]

"When statistics lie", example 6,859.

Ask any guy at the tailgate, in the bar, or at the game:

"Do you think Tommy is good under pressure?"

I would bet on about an 80% "no" answer rate.

When eyes lie lol. There’s an impartial trained staff of professionals watching and grading all his throws.

Plus that’s this year as opposed to his career numbers, I think. People are unable to see TDs improvement because of built up bias.

 

[TheCusian]

Is 7W and 12L for his career good enough for you? It's not good enough for me.

What does that tell you? Statistical grades don't always measure or capture what it is that wins games.

W/L applied to a QB in a team sport is the silliest metric

 

[storange]

Is anyone else already tired of the GS/TD thing. Put someone in and score a few TDs like last Saturday and the D will do the rest.