So Babers is sold on Shrader?

[Walshjfii]

What’s our record with Tommy starting though? Good wins against UNC and FSU in 2018(not starts but I’ll give it to him), GT last year, and Duke in 2019 when he went like 6-15.

He’s literally thrown us to a win ONCE in his career - against UNC. People act like he’s some Brett Favre gunslinger. Two of his only wins was handing the ball off, and game managing. The hell are we even clinging to with him at this point?

What did Shrader do tonight other than hand off the ball and game manage?

 

[690West]

Tommy can throw a football over a mountain but I’m not sure he would have won that game

Tommy would have placed the ball in sean tuckers belly the same number of times but also hit a couple middle school out routes taboot. Would’ve won easily.

 

[blizz]

What did Shrader do tonight other than hand off the ball and game manage?

Ummm...2 rushing touchdowns? Is this a trick question?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Yup. Of course. I agree I will say, though I believe the worst decision Dino has made in SIX Years was starting GS tonight and we still won. He literally went with a worse QB and it BLOWS my mind. Like speechless type stuff and I’m not even a Tommy fan!!

He went with the worse down field passer. There is more to being a QB than down field passing. It boggles my mind so many people don't get this.

This team cannot overcome negative plays. Shrader is less likely to hit a big play, but those happen maybe 1-2 times a game. He is MUCH less likely to have a negative play than Tommy.

Outside of the deep sideline passes which hit once a game what does Tommy even do half way decently?

Shrader is the better runner. He has more poise in the pocket. He can hit the short passes fine. If he is doing his job and the OL is not committing penalties, we will not need to pass it down the field. I rather have Tommy on 3rd and 7, but I rather have 3rd and 3 with Shrader than 3rd and 7 in the 1st place.

Shrader is not an NFL prospect and is flawed but he gives us the best chance at 6 Ws. Just like RJ and Hunt did.

 

[690West]

What did Shrader do tonight other than hand off the ball and game manage?

He was amazing, in fact brilliant at putting the ball in tuckers belly

 

[690West]

What’s our record with Tommy starting though? Good wins against UNC and FSU in 2018(not starts but I’ll give it to him), GT last year, and Duke in 2019 when he went like 6-15.

He’s literally thrown us to a win ONCE in his career - against UNC. People act like he’s some Brett Favre gunslinger. Two of his only wins was handing the ball off, and game managing. The hell are we even clinging to with him at this point?

I don’t even like Tommy. I’m tired of Tommy. But, it’s silly to think that a guy who can’t throw a 10 yard slant in the ACC is the answer. It blows my mind that we’re here.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

What’s our record with Tommy starting though? Good wins against UNC and FSU in 2018(not starts but I’ll give it to him), GT last year, and Duke in 2019 when he went like 6-15.

He’s literally thrown us to a win ONCE in his career - against UNC. People act like he’s some Brett Favre gunslinger. Two of his only wins was handing the ball off, and game managing. The hell are we even clinging to with him at this point?

LOL forgot about Tommy's stat line vs Duke in 2019. He is the better passer hands down but that is funny.

 

[690West]

He went with the worse down field passer. There is more to being a QB than down field passing. It boggles my mind so many people don't get this.

This team cannot overcome negative plays. Shrader is less likely to hit a big play, but those happen maybe 1-2 times a game. He is MUCH less likely to have a negative play than Tommy.

Outside of the deep sideline passes which hit once a game what does Tommy even do half way decently?

Shrader is the better runner. He has more poise in the pocket. He can hit the short passes fine. If he is doing his job and the OL is not committing penalties, we will not need to pass it down the field. I rather have Tommy on 3rd and 7, but I rather have 3rd and 3 with Shrader than 3rd and 7 in the 1st place.

Shrader is not an NFL prospect and is flawed but he gives us the best chance at 6 Ws. Just like RJ and Hunt did.

Agree to disagree. Tommy is almost twice as fast as GS and I DONT EVEN LIKE TOMMY

 

[OrangeDW]

What did Shrader do tonight other than hand off the ball and game manage?

Not turn it over, not take sacks, not run to the right and throw it out bounds because you
Can’t read the defense or see the field, and running the ball with a purpose and smelling the end zone and getting in twice. Tommy get in there?

Again...I didn’t even post about Shrader.

I asked about Tommy. He made some big throws against UNC 3 years ago. What since? We already know we’re not winning with him.

 

[OrangeDW]

LOL forgot about Tommy's stat line vs Duke in 2019. He is the better passer hands down but that is funny.

Lol. That was literally like our only good win of the season in his full season as a starter, and it was all running and defense. But that golden arm is going to magically start throwing us to victory any day now.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Agree to disagree. Tommy is almost twice as fast as GS and I DONT EVEN LIKE TOMMY

Speed doesn't make you a good runner. Come on.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Hopefully he’s ready next year

I will say I think Lamson looks small to me

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I don’t even like Tommy. I’m tired of Tommy. But, it’s silly to think that a guy who can’t throw a 10 yard slant in the ACC is the answer. It blows my mind that we’re here.

Where did Shrader miss a 10 yard slant? BTW is that even in the playbook? His throws over 15 yards are not going to be great. You act like he throws like Welch or Mahoney and that is just flat out false. If you are going to criticize him at least be factual.

 

[storange]

What did Shrader do tonight other than hand off the ball and game manage?

Win

 

[690West]

Speed doesn't make you a good runner. Come on.

I hope GS kills it vs. FSU. I just see it differently. I think we win by 21 tonight with TD. He would’ve placed the ball in tuckers belly the same amount and actually complete some downfield passes. Can you imagine? Lol

 

[OrangeDW]

Speed doesn't make you a good runner. Come on.

Right? Hunt and RJ weren’t even fast at all. But they knew how to run and ran tough.

 

[690West]

Where did Shrader miss a 10 yard slant? BTW is that even in the playbook? His throws over 15 yards are not going to be great. You act like he throws like Welch or Mahoney and that is just flat out false. If you are going to criticize him at least be factual.

He didn’t miss one. He didn’t throw one. Lol. Coaches were keeping the plays within his wheelhouse

 

[OrangeDW]

I hope GS kills it vs. FSU. I just see it differently. I think we win by 21 tonight with TD. He would’ve placed the ball in tuckers belly the same amount and actually complete some downfield passes. Can you imagine? Lol

3 years of starts tells us that in reality he wouldn’t have done that though.

 

[DownTheField]

He didn’t miss one. He didn’t throw one. Lol. Coaches were keeping the plays within his wheelhouse

Tommy is the same age as like six NFL starters and he struggles in what is supposed to be a simple offense to ”get”. I don’t think it’s the physical skills that hold him back.

I think this team needs an RJ Anderson type QB and I think that‘s Shrader

 

[Walshjfii]

Win

good GS 1 win TD 2 wins. I guess our new game plan can be dont throw the ball to the TE's or WR's.

 

[Walshjfii]

Tommy is the same age as like six NFL starters and he struggles in what is supposed to be a simple offense to ”get”. I don’t think it’s the physical skills that hold him back.

I think this team needs an RJ Anderson type QB and I think that‘s Shrader

simple offense?

 

[690West]

3 years of starts tells us that in reality he wouldn’t have done that though.

We’ve been through this. We all have PTSD and are unwilling to let Tommy be better than the Tommy we’ve all determined he is. I’ve struggled with this as well. We’re all doing the whole “we know he sucks, he’s proven it”. Whereas I think he’s incrementally Better this year. He’ll never be a stud.

if GS stays in I hope he’s amazing. Would love it. I’m just a knucklehead message board guy. I have no idea. Lol

 

[DownTheField]

simple offense?

Yes

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I hope GS kills it vs. FSU. I just see it differently. I think we win by 21 tonight with TD. He would’ve placed the ball in tuckers belly the same amount and actually complete some downfield passes. Can you imagine? Lol

You missed the game if you didn't see the positive plays Shrader made. Tommy would have wilted under pressure. How the do we win by 21 with Tommy? We didn't leave 21 points on the field.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

He didn’t miss one. He didn’t throw one. Lol. Coaches were keeping the plays within his wheelhouse

So you are criticizing him for not making a throw that was never called in the first place? I can count the 10 yard slants from Tommy the last 4 years on one hand.