So... Help is on the way?

[HOFCeluck]

please compare measurables between the classes. we have receivers/TE's all over 6 feet, linemen with good frames, athletic LBs, and no tiny DBs.

Yes we have athletes. First time I’ve heard that. Underrated class, this year is different etc.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Best part is we've still got 5 spots to fill if we so choose. Curious if the doom and gloomers would change their tune if the class ends up 10-15 spots higher?

Shame we don't have big enough footprint for recruiting sites to reevaluate rankings of our players as well, we've got some criminally under rated recruits this class. Hough and Morris jump off the page and even our top 3 rated in Chestnut, Cruz, and Hatcher are all a star too low.

You have to remember the 85 cap. Maximum 4 spots right now with the current count.

 

[Cusefan69]

I would wager that at least 1 or 2 of the slots go to a transfer who you would presumably think would be able to start or compete. Which will be a plus add to the class.

 

[All4SU]

These classes are good enough for 6 wins in a normal year. We’ve started to schedule like Duke, BC, Wake - this year that got blowed up by the pandemic.

Those who are saying the recruiting needs to be better (of course!) but who don’t outline how that happens are delusional. It’s schedule yourself to bowls, get wins, continue to address deficiencies, make successive good hires everywhere.

But he’s had 5 years! How many of those had peer level schedules? An uninjuried starting QB? 1. He went 10-3.

It’s not a quick fix. It’s a process. And progress has been made that will help the football program into the future, whether Dino reaps the rewards or not is an open question

Right. For a program struggling to build up, you can’t underestimate luck - both good and bad. You get that Dungey kid, and look what happens. You get key injuries or concussion protocol situations, and look what happens. Our margin of success/failure is razor thin.

 

[Trueblue25]

I highly suggest anyone who’s not, watch the kids highlights and tapes. Gives a different perspective. While ratings may suggest stagnancy over the past 15 years (for a second I’ll pretend HCSS recruited comparably), the tape shows a difference in type of player we’re taking

 

[ImperialOrange]

You have to remember the 85 cap. Maximum 4 spots right now with the current count.

Thank you and OrangeXtreme (and multiple others) for all you do. I can't keep track of the ins and outs and thought Dawson into the portal opened a 5th vs 4th

 

[money3189]

Right. For a program struggling to build up, you can’t underestimate luck - both good and bad. You get that Dungey kid, and look what happens. You get key injuries or concussion protocol situations, and look what happens. Our margin of success/failure is razor thin.

Some of the other struggling P5's had some luck go there way. We all need some of that. UVA hit on Perkins and some lower rated commits panned out. Indiana, Iowa st had some things go there way. Im not saying it's just luck. They obviously bought into the coaching and culture at those places but you have to have some luck with injuries, development and have guys out perform their rankings.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Thank you and OrangeXtreme (and multiple others) for all you do. I can't keep track of the ins and outs and thought Dawson into the portal opened a 5th vs 4th

I can only keep track because OrangeXtreme keeps a great running thread on the current count on the FB recruiting forum.

Class of 2021 - 2021 Scholarship Rundown [Updated 6/11/21]

Potential Returning Underclassmen (56?) Damien Alford Chase Atkinson Garth Barclay Justin Barron Luke Benson Matthew Bergeron Chris Bleich Geoff Cantin-Arku Ja'Had Carter Adrian Cole Eric Coley Dakota Davis Tommy DeVito Wil Froumy Ishmael Goulbourne Aman Greenwood Rob Hanna Curtis Harper Taj...

syracusefan.com

 

[721Comstock]

You have to remember the 85 cap. Maximum 4 spots right now with the current count.

Not that I’d ever tell CL how to do her job, but
(/ ducks! )

With that DE decommiting, don’t we now have 5 slots in this class?

There were 21, we signed 19 w/ 1 pending in Feb.

It’s time to POUND THE PORTAL.

 

[cuse309]

I certainly like this class but I just don’t get why people expect better recruits. I truly don’t get it. This is going to be an unpopular take but it’s reality- if you’re A “solid high 3 star or borderline 4 star” chances are you have offers from a Louisville, Miami, Maryland, North Carolina, etc... So why on earth given the state of this program the last 20 years are there any expectations that recruiting should improve?? Someone said earlier “we are who we are” and honestly that’s the reality. I actually am shocked they were able to get Chestnut and Cruz. This is not a blast on SU or Syracuse or anything. Grew up there my entire life and spent time in other places, been to a lot of campuses and I just can’t get why people expect more. Don’t tell me history either. Kids do not care what happened 2 years ago let alone 50. I think if we were all managing our expectations and realize how the deck is so stacked against the team we love, it would allow us to be a little bit more reasonable. I love this team, love syracuse and haven’t missed a game in 30 years but I’ve faced reality with some things that I just don’t ever expect to change

Spot on. I always hear a lot of people complain that we don't land any big boys or very many 4 star kids. What I never hear is how exactly they would convince a 17 year old to go to a school that was only a pretty good program 5 years before they were even born, and have been a bottom 5 program for pretty much their entire life, and a program that just does not put very many guys in the league. What is your sales pitch to that kid who hold offers from teams that go bowling every year, and has a track record of getting guys drafted, and wealthy? Early playing time? That may work for a few, but a lot of these kids who have been "the man" their whole life believe they can play early wherever they go. Maybe some of them think, "Ok, so I sit around for a redshirt year, see no game action, learn the system, and then I'm rewarded by playing for a 4-8 team that doesn't go bowling, and gets minimal exposure." Ooooooh. Where do I sign!
Our recruiting since the end of P's tenure has been pretty consistent. Maybe high 30's to 50's. That's through 5 coaches. That tells me that's about as well as we can really expect to do in recruiting here.

 

[TheCusian]

Spot on. I always hear a lot of people complain that we don't land any big boys or very many 4 star kids. What I never hear is how exactly they would convince a 17 year old to go to a school that was only a pretty good program 5 years before they were even born, and have been a bottom 5 program for pretty much their entire life, and a program that just does not put very many guys in the league. What is your sales pitch to that kid who hold offers from teams that go bowling every year, and has a track record of getting guys drafted, and wealthy? Early playing time? That may work for a few, but a lot of these kids who have been "the man" their whole life believe they can play early wherever they go. Maybe some of them think, "Ok, so I sit around for a redshirt year, see no game action, learn the system, and then I'm rewarded by playing for a 4-8 team that doesn't go bowling, and gets minimal exposure." Ooooooh. Where do I sign!
Our recruiting since the end of P's tenure has been pretty consistent. Maybe high 30's to 50's. That's through 5 coaches. That tells me that's about as well as we can really expect to do in recruiting here.

Exactly. And the way out isn't shifting HC's constantly hoping it will be different. It's scheduling wins to go along with the semi-difficult ACC slate, being creative (Canadians), investing in recruiting staff, etc... and then getting to bowls consistently enough to start to climb up the ladder slowly over time. It means following up this hire (that not matter what got us more on the map than we had been since P) with another good hire.

I think Wildhack sees it this way, thankfully.

 

[SkyTopBus44]

I guess our strategy is to work the transfer portal but i hope we bring in more qbs. like 5 is that possible or reasonable?

 

[Ozone!]

I see value-added from this new class. This season we saw young players step up and give a valiant effort, especially on D!
Now it's about coaching and conditioning. This off season is critical for HCDB and staff! They need to go into next season with effective schemes and play calling. They also need to make strategic adjustments; both during play and at halftime!
we also need enough wins to demonstrate to recruits that we are on a definate upswing!
Welcome to our newest Orange players; May you flourish at Cuse!

 

[NKR1978]

Some of the other struggling P5's had some luck go there way. We all need some of that. UVA hit on Perkins and some lower rated commits panned out. Indiana, Iowa st had some things go there way. Im not saying it's just luck. They obviously bought into the coaching and culture at those places but you have to have some luck with injuries, development and have guys out perform their rankings.

We had a lot of luck two years ago.

 

[Cuse69]

These classes are good enough for 6 wins in a normal year. We’ve started to schedule like Duke, BC, Wake - this year that got blowed up by the pandemic.

Those who are saying the recruiting needs to be better (of course!) but who don’t outline how that happens are delusional. It’s schedule yourself to bowls, get wins, continue to address deficiencies, make successive good hires everywhere.

But he’s had 5 years! How many of those had peer level schedules? An uninjuried starting QB? 1. He went 10-3.

It’s not a quick fix. It’s a process. And progress has been made that will help the football program into the future, whether Dino reaps the rewards or not is an open question

I'm with you on this, very fair take. We are finally scheduling to make bowls which where the state of the program has been for so long it's the smart thing to do.

I'd ask this if we got to 6 wins last year would the narrative be different now, personally for me it wouldn't, the games we're pretty brutal to watch and 4 of the wins we're against pretty awful teams.

Once we start making bowls which with the scheduling the way it is if we don't then dino's gotta go I think recruiting will start to pick up. Hopefully it snowballs into success.

I don't take recruiting rankings as perfect, I look at the average where we rank in the ACC and do the guys we get have legit offers, no reason these classes can't get us consistent 6 wins with the schedules of todays games and build on that to improve the whole program.

 

[Cuse69]

Some of the other struggling P5's had some luck go there way. We all need some of that. UVA hit on Perkins and some lower rated commits panned out. Indiana, Iowa st had some things go there way. Im not saying it's just luck. They obviously bought into the coaching and culture at those places but you have to have some luck with injuries, development and have guys out perform their rankings.

Iowa st and indiana seem to really develop and get the most out of their guys, same with dave clawson at wake, hope we start to do some of that here

 

[money3189]

Iowa st and indiana seem to really develop and get the most out of their guys, same with dave clawson at wake, hope we start to do some of that here

Yup. That’s why I mentioned development.

 

[orangecuse]

The issue for me is that some variation of this statement has been made every year since 2013.

It’s the same class on paper as we get every year. At this point I need to see it on the field.

Indeed. Many here apparently have this 1:45 a.m. sentiment when it comes to what our class really looks like.

 

[sufandu]

And progress has been made that will help the football program into the future, whether Dino reaps the rewards or not is an open question

Or the flipside could be true. The progress being made could quickly be lost if we get rid of Dino and make a bad hire.

 

[TheCusian]

I'm with you on this, very fair take. We are finally scheduling to make bowls which where the state of the program has been for so long it's the smart thing to do.

I'd ask this if we got to 6 wins last year would the narrative be different now, personally for me it wouldn't, the games we're pretty brutal to watch and 4 of the wins we're against pretty awful teams.

Once we start making bowls which with the scheduling the way it is if we don't then dino's gotta go I think recruiting will start to pick up. Hopefully it snowballs into success.

I don't take recruiting rankings as perfect, I look at the average where we rank in the ACC and do the guys we get have legit offers, no reason these classes can't get us consistent 6 wins with the schedules of todays games and build on that to improve the whole program.

Feel like half the battle is just getting to where we can see incremental improvements, the very real uphill nature of our program in the last 20 years vs where we were in the 90s. There is no quick fix.

 

[NineOneSeven]

These classes are good enough for 6 wins in a normal year. We’ve started to schedule like Duke, BC, Wake - this year that got blowed up by the pandemic.

Those who are saying the recruiting needs to be better (of course!) but who don’t outline how that happens are delusional. It’s schedule yourself to bowls, get wins, continue to address deficiencies, make successive good hires everywhere.

But he’s had 5 years! How many of those had peer level schedules? An uninjuried starting QB? 1. He went 10-3.

It’s not a quick fix. It’s a process. And progress has been made that will help the football program into the future, whether Dino reaps the rewards or not is an open question

Couldn't miss my chance to use that

 

[syracuse95]

I don’t see the draw. It’s a double edged sword because they’ll never have a “full” house.

It's not just the stadium. They share the Rooney Sports Complex practice facility and weight room with the Steelers. So not only is it a state of the art facility, but I'm also sure that it's a draw knowing that you'll run into Big Ben and Maurkice Pouncey when you go to practice or lift. Especially for the local recruits that grew up as Stillers fans.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Not that I’d ever tell CL how to do her job, but
(/ ducks! )

With that DE decommiting, don’t we now have 5 slots in this class?

There were 21, we signed 19 w/ 1 pending in Feb.

It’s time to POUND THE PORTAL.

No. Signed 19. Number 20 will sign in February. Currently 61 returning. 61 + 20 is 81...no calculator used. With a cap of 85 that means 4 spots, 4 spots only.

 

[Dodger44]

I get the feeling that if Dino was here 10 years had a losing record in 8 of those 10 years that the die hard supporters would still be saying " I see improvement, it's a process, not a quick fix, wait till next year, etc".

Lets suppose we have a winning season next year, go to a minor bowl game..."Yay"..."we've turned the corner, things are looking up !" and then we come back the following year and we regress back to losing.

That happened after our 10-2 season. How long do the die hard supporters make excuses ?

 

[orangepassion]

The better transfers will move quick. If the staff doesn't/haven't moved quickly, it will be a lost opportunity.