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All things equal money wise I don’t think Syracuse basketball job is better than Arizona, Ohio State, Michigan people can disagree.
It’s all subjective.
I think this is where Boeheim deserves more credit he has made this job better but we are overrating ourselves a bit.
Our fanbase is why the job is as good as it is.
I think we are 8-15 best job in the nation.
It’s not a disgrace to say that.

I also think college hoops are different than football. Football the top jobs can recruit for themselves. Basketball you have to work a lot harder to recruit.

If money is equal, I don’t know what would give those programs a leg up. Location might be the next biggest factor. We all know Central NY is nothing special, but I don’t hear about people flocking to any parts of Michigan or Ohio, or Indiana.
 
I don't take your first sentence as a given.

People conflate Boeheim giving SU a "discount" all these years as being indicative of "can't" or "won't" pay.

With ACC funds in the coffer, we can pay.
I don’t believe Syracuse would top of the market for a new BB coach.
Now if the new coach wins a NC I see a raise to the top of the market.
Ohio State gave Holtzman 3.9 million per year to jump from Butler.
That isn’t what I would see us doing and I have no issues with that.
I would save that money for a successful football coach.
 
I don’t believe Syracuse would top of the market for a new BB coach.
Now if the new coach wins a NC I see a raise to the top of the market.
Ohio State gave Holtzman 3.9 million per year to jump from Butler.
That isn’t what I would see us doing and I have no issues with that.
I would save that money for a successful football coach.

I believe that they would. And we have an AD who understands the business of sports, so I'd expect that no expense will be spared when the time comes to replace JB.
 
If money is equal, I don’t know what would give those programs a leg up. Location might be the next biggest factor. We all know Central NY is nothing special, but I don’t hear about people flocking to any parts of Michigan or Ohio, or Indiana.
NCAA darlings.
Saying we are below these schools isn’t an insult. I say we are an elite job.
We have a brand they have a brand. They are protected.
We wouldn’t want the same type of HC either.

Also I consider Arizona the Syracuse of the west coast. Elite program, large fanbase and competitive.
 
I believe that they would. And we have an AD who understands the business of sports, so I'd expect that no expense will be spared when the time comes to replace JB.
Hope you are right. I expect Autry will get a nice salary with room for growth and good sized budget for assistants. I don’t expect a national search.
I think it goes courtesy outreach to Hopkins.
Hop ponders but likes his job, gets an extension to stay.
Then Red Autry gets a 5 year deal with room for an increase.
 
NCAA darlings.
Saying we are below these schools isn’t an insult. I say we are an elite job.
We have a brand they have a brand. They are protected.
We wouldn’t want the same type of HC either.

Also I consider Arizona the Syracuse of the west coast. Elite program, large fanbase and competitive.

They’re all elite jobs and every coach will have different priorities that will sway him one way or the other. In a future with JB retired and an AD willing to open the pocket book for a hypothetical $15M a year super-coach, I don’t see a scenario where Ohio State comes in with their own $15M offer and immediately becomes the front-runner by merit of being Ohio State.
 
They’re all elite jobs and every coach will have different priorities that will sway him one way or the other. In a future with JB retired and an AD willing to open the pocket book for a hypothetical $15M a year super-coach, I don’t see a scenario where Ohio State comes in with their own $15M offer and immediately becomes the front-runner by merit of being Ohio State.
Do you watch Ballers?
Watch the episode Rock accompanied his mealticket HS QB to Ohio State for a recruiting visit. It shows a lot of the underbelly in recruiting and what programs like Ohio State will do to get what they want.
They use state troopers, boosters and do stuff the NCAA turns a blind eye to.

We are a good job but their are some schools protected. They and Michigan are.
 
Hope you are right. I expect Autry will get a nice salary with room for growth and good sized budget for assistants. I don’t expect a national search.
I think it goes courtesy outreach to Hopkins.
Hop ponders but likes his job, gets an extension to stay.
Then Red Autry gets a 5 year deal with room for an increase.

We are often on the same page, but in this case there is ZERO percent that I agree with in your post / predictions.

Wildhack will absolutely, unequivocally conduct a national search, and do FULL due dilligence. How do I know? Because JB has already approached him about setting up another coach-in-waiting arrangement, and was politely declined. That strongly suggests that the AD is not focused in house, and is not going to tie his own hands with a limited candidate pool.

Hopkins may or may not be on a short list. I personally expect that he would be, and who knows whether he'd opt into the interview process or not. Autry might also be on the list. If you are comparing Autry's resume to external candidates, then I'd expect him to fall short by way of experience / track record.

I can't emphasize this enough -- this is not Daryl Gross -- this AD knows what he is doing, and isn't going to "settle" or make a choice influenced by BS considerations that have nothing to do with setting the program up for long term success. Wildhack is a former executive, he understands the importance of making executive hires, and he isn't going to handcuff the program just to maintain continuity -- he's going to hire the best candidate he can line up.
 
We are often on the same page, but in this case there is ZERO percent that I agree with in your post / predictions.

Wildhack will absolutely, unequivocally conduct a national search, and do FULL due dilligence. How do I know? Because JB has already approached him about setting up another coach-in-waiting arrangement, and was politely declined. That strongly suggests that the AD is not focused in house, and is not going to tie his own hands with a limited candidate pool.

Hopkins may or may not be on a short list. I personally expect that he would be, and who knows whether he'd opt into the interview process or not. Autry might also be on the list. If you are comparing Autry's resume to external candidates, then I'd expect him to fall short by way of experience / track record.

I can't emphasize this enough -- this is not Daryl Gross -- this AD knows what he is doing, and isn't going to "settle" or make a choice influenced by BS considerations that have nothing to do with setting the program up for long term success. Wildhack is a former executive, he understands the importance of making executive hires, and he isn't going to handcuff the program just to maintain continuity -- he's going to hire the best candidate he can line up.
I am from Missouri as it pertains to Wildhack. But I do trust your opinions so I believe what you are saying and that makes me feel better about him.
JB is going to defer to JW? I would love to see that.
 
We are often on the same page, but in this case there is ZERO percent that I agree with in your post / predictions.

Wildhack will absolutely, unequivocally conduct a national search, and do FULL due dilligence. How do I know? Because JB has already approached him about setting up another coach-in-waiting arrangement, and was politely declined. That strongly suggests that the AD is not focused in house, and is not going to tie his own hands with a limited candidate pool.

Hopkins may or may not be on a short list. I personally expect that he would be, and who knows whether he'd opt into the interview process or not. Autry might also be on the list. If you are comparing Autry's resume to external candidates, then I'd expect him to fall short by way of experience / track record.

I can't emphasize this enough -- this is not Daryl Gross -- this AD knows what he is doing, and isn't going to "settle" or make a choice influenced by BS considerations that have nothing to do with setting the program up for long term success. Wildhack is a former executive, he understands the importance of making executive hires, and he isn't going to handcuff the program just to maintain continuity -- he's going to hire the best candidate he can line up.
Michigan's job opened up about a year ago. Comparable program, if slightly inferior.
Here were the top five candidates for that job, per Wolverine Wire. These names are not all that realistic or sexy:

Brad Stevens
Billy Donovan
Chris Beard
Juwan Howard (got the gig)
Lavall Jordan (was a Beilein assistant at one time)

See? Not that exciting. And Chris Beard is not coming to Syracuse (he will be Texas' next HC or perhaps Kansas). I do expect Wojo from Marquette to inquire through K (to Wildhack), but he very likely won't be the hire.

Another factor: I expect coaching salaries to flatten, if not diminish, in the next decade. Lots of COVID learnings that ADs are going to implement (or more accurately, forced to implement). This is the market correction for what was, to be honest, out of control spending. Schools are going to mandate saving some money for rainy days and/or pandemics.
 
Michigan's job opened up about a year ago. Comparable program, if slightly inferior.
Here were the top five candidates for that job, per Wolverine Wire. These names are not all that realistic or s e xy:

Brad Stevens
Billy Donovan
Chris Beard
Juwan Howard (got the gig)
Lavall Jordan (was a Beilein assistant at one time)

See? Not that exciting. And Chris Beard is not coming to Syracuse (he will be Texas' next HC or perhaps Kansas). I do expect Wojo from Marquette to inquire through K (to Wildhack), but he very likely won't be the hire.

Another factor: I expect coaching salaries to flatten, if not diminish, in the next decade. Lots of COVID learnings that ADs are going to implement (or more accurately, forced to implement). This is the market correction for what was, to be honest, out of control spending. Schools are going to mandate saving some money for rainy days and/or pandemics.
Not that exciting? Brad Stevens and Billy Donovan would have been home runs.

Jordan would be us hiring internally.

Beard is going to get the Kansas or Texas jobs when they open up IMO.

Michigan also had Ed Cooley as a finalist for their job. They had an excellent pool of candidates. They went with Howard and got Phil Martelli to basically give him a co-coach. Martelli is making really good money the reports state so Michigan gave Howard an incredible assistant coaches salary pool.
 
What JB told my father on the golf course at Wayne Hills...granted it was last summer:

First call is Hop...no matter what
Second call is Nate Oats (unless he flames out at Alabama). JW LOVED Nate's style of play and was in aww when UB came and whooped us.
Both decline or not options - national search with Red getting an interview as well.
 
Not that exciting? Brad Stevens and Billy Donovan would have been home runs.

Jordan would be us hiring internally.

Beard is going to get the Kansas or Texas jobs when they open up IMO.

Michigan also had Ed Cooley as a finalist for their job. They had an excellent pool of candidates. They went with Howard and got Phil Martelli to basically give him a co-coach. Martelli is making really good money the reports state so Michigan gave Howard an incredible assistant coaches salary pool.
Do you think that Stevens or Donovan gave this opening (our ours in two years) more than 5 seconds of thought? Of course not. So, those names don't even count. And that's why I included "realistic."

I like and admire Cooley and he'd likely do a good job at Syracuse. But let's also acknowledge, he has one NCAA win in 9 seasons at Providence (and that came by one point over USC).
 
All things equal money wise I don’t think Syracuse basketball job is better than Arizona, Ohio State, Michigan people can disagree.
It’s all subjective.
I think this is where Boeheim deserves more credit he has made this job better but we are overrating ourselves a bit.
Our fanbase is why the job is as good as it is.
I think we are 8-15 best job in the nation.
It’s not a disgrace to say that.

I also think college hoops are different than football. Football the top jobs can recruit for themselves. Basketball you have to work a lot harder to recruit.
Cuse is the better program, but if your a weather guy Tuscon or Syracuse?
 
What JB told my father on the golf course at Wayne Hills...granted it was last summer:

First call is Hop...no matter what
Second call is Nate Oats (unless he flames out at Alabama). JW LOVED Nate's style of play and was in aww when UB came and whooped us.
Both decline or not options - national search with Red getting an interview as well.
Where do you live?I have played Wayne Hills a few times
 
What JB told my father on the golf course at Wayne Hills...granted it was last summer:

First call is Hop...no matter what
Second call is Nate Oats (unless he flames out at Alabama). JW LOVED Nate's style of play and was in aww when UB came and whooped us.
Both decline or not options - national search with Red getting an interview as well.

Interesting. I wonder if Hop's poor season last year impacts that.
 
What JB told my father on the golf course at Wayne Hills...granted it was last summer:

First call is Hop...no matter what
Second call is Nate Oats (unless he flames out at Alabama). JW LOVED Nate's style of play and was in aww when UB came and whooped us.
Both decline or not options - national search with Red getting an interview as well.
Yeah, this feels like exactly what I've been afraid of with the next coach after JB. Complete hunch here but sure feels like JB attempting to continue to exert influence over the program from his retirement. Just can't happen, and I'm also quite certain that really great coaches coming from outside the program want ZERO part of this if he were to remain involved, ala Dean Smith.
 
What JB told my father on the golf course at Wayne Hills...granted it was last summer:

First call is Hop...no matter what
Second call is Nate Oats (unless he flames out at Alabama). JW LOVED Nate's style of play and was in aww when UB came and whooped us.
Both decline or not options - national search with Red getting an interview as well.

I’ll have to save this for when the betting lines come out after his retirement
 
Not a slam more curious question - do people really thinks SU is one of the top 8 jobs in the country, factoring in everything from pay, to location, to tradition, etc? Fans I'm sure do - outsiders...not sure.
It’s certainly top 10-15. The amount of revenue and profit the SU basketball program makes (goosed by the money made from Dome ticket revenue and the rabid fan base) puts it easily into the top 10-12 nationally. It’s also an easy drive from most of the Northeast recruiting hotbeds from Boston to NYC, Philly and the DMV. Recruits’ families can drive to watch their kids play in person, kids can get home easily during the season, and assistant coaches can drive (or short plane ride) to visit recruits and coaching contacts regularly. Other than Nova (but they have less resources than SU), we’re arguably the best basketball program in the Northeast to mid-Atlantic region.
 
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Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana and Arizona will pay more than Syracuse.
They have a lot larger athletic budgets.
Syracuse will pay to keep a guy but we wouldn’t spend what Ohio State did to get their guy from Butler.

Syracuse is a good job but we won’t pay what these schools have in hiring coaches.

I’m not so sure about that.
 
Not a slam more curious question - do people really thinks SU is one of the top 8 jobs in the country, factoring in everything from pay, to location, to tradition, etc? Fans I'm sure do - outsiders...not sure.

Tradition and pay, yes. For example, the highest paid coach right now would be within Syracuse’s budget and the program would still earn net revenue. Not many programs can do that. Tradition is maybe closer to the 8-12 range, but still elite.

Location isn’t ideal. Syracuse is not a destination city, we all know that. But we are pretty close to big time recruiting hot beds. NYC, Philly, DC are ‘day trip’ distance.
 
So, when you consider SU's recruiting proximity to Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, DC, Canada, NE Prep Schools ... the Dome/Melo Center ... the ACC ... the heritage that comes with 50 straight winning seasons ... the fanbase/"basketball school" reputation ... current clean slate with the NCAA (sorry UL & KU) ... the AD/Chancellor, ... how many jobs are better?
Ask the person who made the statement
 
Not that exciting? Brad Stevens and Billy Donovan would have been home runs.

Jordan would be us hiring internally.

Beard is going to get the Kansas or Texas jobs when they open up IMO.

Michigan also had Ed Cooley as a finalist for their job. They had an excellent pool of candidates. They went with Howard and got Phil Martelli to basically give him a co-coach. Martelli is making really good money the reports state so Michigan gave Howard an incredible assistant coaches salary pool.


Stevens and Donovan were never going there, just like they are never coming here.
They wound up hiring an alum over the guy from Providence with the weird scalp condition.
How far away from that are we?
 

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