So Wilson...

[cuseguy]

Disagree with a lot of the thinking here.

The Hunt injury was bigger than we thought at the time.

With Hunt, I think we beat NC State, Duke and possibly Clemson,

We might have won yesterday with Long.

 

[Finwad32]

People are forgetting about all the other times we roared into the red zone and didn't score. The choruses of TRY SOMETHING. our passing game giving us no touchdowns. So they put in a QB that can run.

They should be shot!

Just to be clear, I have not been one of the many hammering on them. I've been over the top supportive of this staff outside of a handful of in game situational calls.

I understand why they made the switch, simply don't agree with it.

*** A more detailed description of why that I posted in another thread.***

I'm with you, no doubt it was a planned package. My problem with it is that at that point Kimble had thrown 0 collegiate passes. Wilson was getting into a rhythm and had moved us down the field, converting multiple third downs in the process. There's something to be said for flow, momentum and confidence. All of which that had been gained during that drive, we're somewhat diminished by the switch in the Red Zone.

Furthermore, whether he lets on or not, that has to bother Wilson in some manner. Kimble probably ran that package great in practice. And, the defense had yet to see it.
It's the Pistol Inverted Wishbone. There's a ton of play fakes and power run you can do out of it.

I will just never agree with switching QB's at the end of a drive like that. And I know Tebow did it, along with a plethora of others including Duke last year. Let Wilson finish what he started.

As an aside, Duke's defense was definitely designed for Wilson, they saw no threat of a scramble. Probably had no idea Kimble could run either, that's why you saw him have success with his feet on the scoring drive. I think we have infinitely more success with Hunt yesterday, and, to a lesser extent AJ.

 

[TheCusian]

Agree. I like the way he passes. He has the accuracy to locate the ball where only the receiver can catch it , with real velocity on it. The other QB's throw in the direction of the receiver.

Wilson isn't as accurate as AJ.

 

[CousCuse]

Wilson isn't as accurate as AJ.

Wilson's sample is smaller and he hasn't really been given a full audition , so it's hard to say he felt settled in enough to have the comfort level to really click. Also , Wilson can stretch the field over the top.

 

[Dcuse]

Leads us down the field and Kimble comes in for RedZone????

Makes sense.

So it seems the ONLY times we have scored in the red zone this year have been when the QB has run it in or at least been a threat to run. And you wanted WILSON to be in???

 

[Finwad32]

So it seems the ONLY times we have scored in the red zone this year have been when the QB has run it in or at least been a threat to run. And you wanted WILSON to be in???

Yes, I described why a little better above. Hunt or Long weren't suited up yesterday so I don't think the point you make is really apples to apples either.

 

[Dcuse]

Yes, I described why a little better above. Hunt or Long weren't suited up yesterday so I don't think the point you make is really apples to apples either.

At least I can see now how things could have been worse.

 

[Finwad32]

At least I can see now how things could have been worse.

Ya because the drive stalling where Wilson left it and a FG weren't the worst case scenario, a blocked fg would've topped it.

 

[Crusty]

So it seems the ONLY times we have scored in the red zone this year have been when the QB has run it in or at least been a threat to run. And you wanted WILSON to be in???

Long has 2 TD passes in the red zone.

 

[alphaorange]

My point is that the offense was moving smoothly and the move to put a qb into the game for the first time in his career was game planned ahead and sometimes you have to see the flow and go with it. I understand the move as I wrote because of Kimbles running and ball faking ability and short field/red zone. Is it possible that Wilson would have bogged down and that is what happened in practice time and time again...maybe and yes it is a second guess. I would have loved to have seen Shafer have some faith in Wilson to get the job done and prove it on the field vs Duke before making that call. I also understand the patch work the offense has to use as well due to injuries.

Big difference between RZ and between the 20s. Based on history, there is absolutely NO reason the expect he would have continues the success, but plenty of reason to think otherwise. The field obviously shrinks and a QB that can take off fits that area well.

 

[OrangePA]

That's about it. We've done nothing in the redzone all year. They went with a package that calls for the WB to be able to run the ball. Didn't work out. But at least we tried something different since we haven't had success there at all regardless of QB.

I think Bees gets it.

In the redzone having a QB who can run the ball effectively presents more problems to the defense. It affords the offense a better chance to score.

This was a package that the coaches prepared to use yesterday.

It was a good idea and it worked for a score in the second half.

 

[OrangePA]

Just to be clear, I have not been one of the many hammering on them. I've been over the top supportive of this staff outside of a handful of in game situational calls.

I understand why they made the switch, simply don't agree with it.

*** A more detailed description of why that I posted in another thread.***

I'm with you, no doubt it was a planned package. My problem with it is that at that point Kimble had thrown 0 collegiate passes. Wilson was getting into a rhythm and had moved us down the field, converting multiple third downs in the process. There's something to be said for flow, momentum and confidence. All of which that had been gained during that drive, we're somewhat diminished by the switch in the Red Zone.

Furthermore, whether he lets on or not, that has to bother Wilson in some manner. Kimble probably ran that package great in practice. And, the defense had yet to see it.
It's the Pistol Inverted Wishbone. There's a ton of play fakes and power run you can do out of it.

I will just never agree with switching QB's at the end of a drive like that. And I know Tebow did it, along with a plethora of others including Duke last year. Let Wilson finish what he started.

As an aside, Duke's defense was definitely designed for Wilson, they saw no threat of a scramble. Probably had no idea Kimble could run either, that's why you saw him have success with his feet on the scoring drive. I think we have infinitely more success with Hunt yesterday, and, to a lesser extent AJ.

We did it with Doug Womack many years ago.

I had no problem with it.

 

[Finwad32]

We did it with Doug Womack many years ago.

I had no problem with it.

And that's fine, nobodies right or wrong, it's just a philosophical disagreement. It doesn't make sense to me based on my experience and feeling.

Your experience with Womack left you with a favorable disposition to it.

I'm all about flow and rhythm, other guys think X's and O's are all that matter, the two aren't mutually exclusive.