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Frustrating game, for sure, but I'll say we at least know that Colgate is well-coached and will maximize whatever talent they have. So, for as long as Langel is there and we are not a top 25-type team, these games will be tests. That's the silver lining. Some good and some bad to chew on until our next time out:

The Good
Eddie Lampkin on offense:
I'm not sure Eddie is a phenomenal offensive player but everything we do makes more sense when it either runs through him in the high/low post or starts with him setting a big screen up top. Even his off-ball screens were effective. He also grabbed four offensive rebounds. The five assists are a credit to his passing. He's a solid player on that end and we just have to remember to not stand and watch him when he gets the ball down low.

Bell did some nice things: Not getting Bell enough open looks from three was not great for us, but I give him credit for finding ways to put the ball in the basket and impact the game in other ways. Couple nice blocks and decent defense overall. Had a possession in the second half where he tried to go backdoor off a Lampkin screen, then sprinted back out to the top around lampkin to try and get a look and then cut back off Lampkin again and freed himself up for a layup. Really nice activity.

Freeman did some nice things: Really nice activity from Freeman in his 16 minutes. He lost a bit of time because he's still a little lost on the defensive end, but he was really active on the glass and I love what he had working in the low post. Need to convince him to work inside-out ... start down low and use your athleticism, then hit up that mid-range, then if you want to pop a three now and then great. He kind of does that in reverse at the moment.

Moore is a scorer: Didn't love all of Moore's shots but he has some swag on that end and will likely be a good scorer at this level. He's got more in the bag than shooting threes.

We won the rebound battle: Didn't do this much last year, so nice to see us off to a good start on the glass.

The Bad
No cheap buckets:
We scored 74 points and it felt like we had to scratch and claw for every one of them. Two fast break points is brutal, 8 total FTs including, I think, five when Colgate was fouling at the end is not pretty. Now the officials were letting quite a bit go on both ends and neither team got to the line much, but we don't have a lot of guys who force the issue and play through the contact. It showed.

This team's athleticism is dicey: Five blocks and 2 steals after not really doing much to turn LeMoyne over in our first game. Yuck.

Thought this really showed up most in transition where Colgate outscored us 22-2 (I think). Colgate beat us down the floor all night, often after made baskets. We got lucky that they missed at least five or six bunnies, otherwise things could have gotten very dark here. Even when we had opportunities in transition, we had some really ugly attempts to finish, one by moore, in particular, was brutal. He tied himself in knots.

Offensively, Bell and Choppa are scorers but not really attack the rim, lead the break, finish with athleticism guys. Carlos and JJ might get one here or there, but they sure didn't last night. If we have Lampkin on the floor, he's unlikely to either finish as a trailer on the break nor to get back quickly and get the defense set. Majstorovic isn't a high-end athlete. I don't know -- we just saw limitations on this front on both ends.

The biggest issue in my mind is that we are really short on guys who can make an impact on both ends. Carlos, JJ, Eddie, Moore, and Bell are all good offensive players (Moore is young, but you can see he can get to his spots) but really struggle on the defensive end. I thought Majstorovic actually had some decent moments defensively he may be more of an offensive guy. Freeman has a ton of talent but is figuring it out on both ends. And Taylor and Cuffe bring something defensively, as does Davis, but the first two bring little offensively (at leas that we've seen yet) and I'm not seeing Davis as a difference-maker defensively.

It's the biggest issue with seeing Brown/Copeland/Mintz walk out the door. All were flawed but capable of bringing something on both ends. Not sure with this group how many of those guys we have.

Our defensive system: We really don't do a lot. Devendorf points this out a lot. We say we play pressure man, but we really don't pressure the ball consistently. We rarely help and when we do, the secondary and tertiary slides aren't there so we give up wide open kick-out threes.

But we need to do something here on the coaching side. I know people hate the dreaded z-word, but this defensive is paper thin. Don't see us living on Man all year.

Did we get a dunk? I don't remember one. Again, not the end of the world but not a great sign.

I don't know. When it's all said and done it's only two games, but i'm really struggling to see this team as a factor in the ACC and a tourney squad. At least not without Freeman putting it all together, our defense coming around and JJ turning into the veteran alpha. It's a bit rough looking, all things considered.
 
Frustrating game, for sure, but I'll say we at least know that Colgate is well-coached and will maximize whatever talent they have. So, for as long as Langel is there and we are not a top 25-type team, these games will be tests. That's the silver lining. Some good and some bad to chew on until our next time out:

The Good
Eddie Lampkin on offense:
I'm not sure Eddie is a phenomenal offensive player but everything we do makes more sense when it either runs through him in the high/low post or starts with him setting a big screen up top. Even his off-ball screens were effective. He also grabbed four offensive rebounds. The five assists are a credit to his passing. He's a solid player on that end and we just have to remember to not stand and watch him when he gets the ball down low.

Bell did some nice things: Not getting Bell enough open looks from three was not great for us, but I give him credit for finding ways to put the ball in the basket and impact the game in other ways. Couple nice blocks and decent defense overall. Had a possession in the second half where he tried to go backdoor off a Lampkin screen, then sprinted back out to the top around lampkin to try and get a look and then cut back off Lampkin again and freed himself up for a layup. Really nice activity.

Freeman did some nice things: Really nice activity from Freeman in his 16 minutes. He lost a bit of time because he's still a little lost on the defensive end, but he was really active on the glass and I love what he had working in the low post. Need to convince him to work inside-out ... start down low and use your athleticism, then hit up that mid-range, then if you want to pop a three now and then great. He kind of does that in reverse at the moment.

Moore is a scorer: Didn't love all of Moore's shots but he has some swag on that end and will likely be a good scorer at this level. He's got more in the bag than shooting threes.

We won the rebound battle: Didn't do this much last year, so nice to see us off to a good start on the glass.

The Bad
No cheap buckets:
We scored 74 points and it felt like we had to scratch and claw for every one of them. Two fast break points is brutal, 8 total FTs including, I think, five when Colgate was fouling at the end is not pretty. Now the officials were letting quite a bit go on both ends and neither team got to the line much, but we don't have a lot of guys who force the issue and play through the contact. It showed.

This team's athleticism is dicey: Five blocks and 2 steals after not really doing much to turn LeMoyne over in our first game. Yuck.

Thought this really showed up most in transition where Colgate outscored us 22-2 (I think). Colgate beat us down the floor all night, often after made baskets. We got lucky that they missed at least five or six bunnies, otherwise things could have gotten very dark here. Even when we had opportunities in transition, we had some really ugly attempts to finish, one by moore, in particular, was brutal. He tied himself in knots.

Offensively, Bell and Choppa are scorers but not really attack the rim, lead the break, finish with athleticism guys. Carlos and JJ might get one here or there, but they sure didn't last night. If we have Lampkin on the floor, he's unlikely to either finish as a trailer on the break nor to get back quickly and get the defense set. Majstorovic isn't a high-end athlete. I don't know -- we just saw limitations on this front on both ends.

The biggest issue in my mind is that we are really short on guys who can make an impact on both ends. Carlos, JJ, Eddie, Moore, and Bell are all good offensive players (Moore is young, but you can see he can get to his spots) but really struggle on the defensive end. I thought Majstorovic actually had some decent moments defensively he may be more of an offensive guy. Freeman has a ton of talent but is figuring it out on both ends. And Taylor and Cuffe bring something defensively, as does Davis, but the first two bring little offensively (at leas that we've seen yet) and I'm not seeing Davis as a difference-maker defensively.

It's the biggest issue with seeing Brown/Copeland/Mintz walk out the door. All were flawed but capable of bringing something on both ends. Not sure with this group how many of those guys we have.

Our defensive system: We really don't do a lot. Devendorf points this out a lot. We say we play pressure man, but we really don't pressure the ball consistently. We rarely help and when we do, the secondary and tertiary slides aren't there so we give up wide open kick-out threes.

But we need to do something here on the coaching side. I know people hate the dreaded z-word, but this defensive is paper thin. Don't see us living on Man all year.

Did we get a dunk? I don't remember one. Again, not the end of the world but not a great sign.

I don't know. When it's all said and done it's only two games, but i'm really struggling to see this team as a factor in the ACC and a tourney squad. At least not without Freeman putting it all together, our defense coming around and JJ turning into the veteran alpha. It's a bit rough looking, all things considered.
Bell had a dunk to start the 2nd half. It was one of Lampkin 's assists.
 
Some early metrics notes. Per EvanMiya Eddie has the highest DBPR on the team at 1.45. Taylor at the lowest. Numbers show basically everyone is playing poorly on defense besides Eddie in a relative sense. That’s…. Bad
 
Some early metrics notes. Per EvanMiya Eddie has the highest DBPR on the team at 1.45. Taylor at the lowest. Numbers show basically everyone is playing poorly on defense besides Eddie in a relative sense. That’s…. Bad
Any idea what goes into that metric? My guess is lampkin is fine around the basket or even straight up on another big (he did a nice job last night against Colgate's big guy) and he's getting a boost from being a strong rebounder.

The issue is if he gets turned around or put in space or needs to get back in transition. Not sure how that factors in, but that's where I'm concerned about his defense.
 
Any idea what goes into that metric? My guess is lampkin is fine around the basket or even straight up on another big (he did a nice job last night against Colgate's big guy) and he's getting a boost from being a strong rebounder.

The issue is if he gets turned around or put in space or needs to get back in transition. Not sure how that factors in, but that's where I'm concerned about his defense.

From Evan Miyas site:
  • DBPR: Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the defensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player’s individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the defensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the offensive strength of the opponent’s players on the floor. DBPR is interpreted as the number of defensive points per 100 possessions better than (below) D1 average expected to be allowed by the player’s team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
 
From Evan Miyas site:
  • DBPR: Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the defensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player’s individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the defensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the offensive strength of the opponent’s players on the floor. DBPR is interpreted as the number of defensive points per 100 possessions better than (below) D1 average expected to be allowed by the player’s team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
Still not sure I quite understand it, but Eddie will be playing a ton regardless of the number i suppose.
 
From Evan Miyas site:
  • DBPR: Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the defensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player’s individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the defensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the offensive strength of the opponent’s players on the floor. DBPR is interpreted as the number of defensive points per 100 possessions better than (below) D1 average expected to be allowed by the player’s team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
They only have the Lemoyne game currently accounting for the numbers along with prior years (hence why you see Chance on there). I'd give it 10 games.
 
They only have the Lemoyne game currently accounting for the numbers along with prior years (hence why you see Chance on there). I'd give it 10 games.

It’s been updated today he’s now 1.23 but still highest. Donnie is closest behind him. Based on the stats it says it’s only for the 2 games
 
Probably has the highest cholesterol too.

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Freeman did some nice things: Really nice activity from Freeman in his 16 minutes. He lost a bit of time because he's still a little lost on the defensive end, but he was really active on the glass and I love what he had working in the low post. Need to convince him to work inside-out ... start down low and use your athleticism, then hit up that mid-range, then if you want to pop a three now and then great. He kind of does that in reverse at the moment.


A couple of points and this will refer back to coaching:

Freeman isn't a stand-alone being lost at the defensive end. This is a complete team failure and points directly to coaching. Nobody can stay in front of their man. Nobody looks like they have ever fought over a screen before. Nobody looks like they have ever played transition defense before. Nobody looks like they have ever played help and recovery defense before. They honestly look like an 8th-grade travel ball team on the defensive side of the ball. That is all on coaching as all our players look lost not one individual should be singled out for the mess on that end of the court.

Freeman on offense, he is a young kid you make him play inside out you don't ask him to. You force-feed him the ball on the mid-post and tell him to go to work especially when he has the size advantage. I think we went to him 3 times in the post and he scored all three times. It seemed the coaching staff was more interested in going to Lampkin and Davis in the post and letting Freeman hang out at the 3 point line.

I do agree Freeman is our only chance to turn this season around but the coaching staff needs to help him out here not just roll the ball out and let them figure it out.
 
A couple of points and this will refer back to coaching:

Freeman isn't a stand-alone being lost at the defensive end. This is a complete team failure and points directly to coaching. Nobody can stay in front of their man. Nobody looks like they have ever fought over a screen before. Nobody looks like they have ever played transition defense before. Nobody looks like they have ever played help and recovery defense before. They honestly look like an 8th-grade travel ball team on the defensive side of the ball. That is all on coaching as all our players look lost not one individual should be singled out for the mess on that end of the court.

Freeman on offense, he is a young kid you make him play inside out you don't ask him to. You force-feed him the ball on the mid-post and tell him to go to work especially when he has the size advantage. I think we went to him 3 times in the post and he scored all three times. It seemed the coaching staff was more interested in going to Lampkin and Davis in the post and letting Freeman hang out at the 3 point line.

I do agree Freeman is our only chance to turn this season around but the coaching staff needs to help him out here not just roll the ball out and let them figure it out.
Yeah, don't really disagree with any of this. It's not even just fighting over screens -- its communicating on hedges and switches and secondary/tertiary slide issues as well (when one guy goes, everyone has to react accordingly). There's also an element of knowing where the screen is and knowing what you want to do -- do you want to force them to use the screen or try and play hard on the screen side to force them to refuse it?

I get why they go to Lampkin in the post. Nice passer and he has some touch and agility to make some things happen. But I agree, we need freeman with more touches in the paint.

Bottom line -- I'm with you. The rudimentary nature of our defensive system is an issue. I will say that I'm not sure we have a lot of general athleticism on this team. That hurts, but asking those kids to play straight up on an offensive player with no help just won't work.
 
Yeah, don't really disagree with any of this. It's not even just fighting over screens -- its communicating on hedges and switches and secondary/tertiary slide issues as well (when one guy goes, everyone has to react accordingly). There's also an element of knowing where the screen is and knowing what you want to do -- do you want to force them to use the screen or try and play hard on the screen side to force them to refuse it?

I get why they go to Lampkin in the post. Nice passer and he has some touch and agility to make some things happen. But I agree, we need freeman with more touches in the paint.

Bottom line -- I'm with you. The rudimentary nature of our defensive system is an issue. I will say that I'm not sure we have a lot of general athleticism on this team. That hurts, but asking those kids to play straight up on an offensive player with no help just won't work.
The way JJ looked on D was EXACTLY the same as last year. Exact. Going under screens. Late running around curls. Can't keep anyone in front of him w/ the ball.

I have no idea what he worked on during the offseason.

The idea it was Judah's fault that he couldn't defend was maybe the worst take on this board in years.
 
The way JJ looked on D was EXACTLY the same as last year. Exact. Going under screens. Late running around curls. Can't keep anyone in front of him w/ the ball.

I have no idea what he worked on during the offseason.

The idea it was Judah's fault that he couldn't defend was maybe the worst take on this board in years.
I actually think he's improved ... last year he was taking such a wide path around screens that he was practically out by the midcourt circle as his guy was curling and driving to the basket or shooting a wide open jumper. Now he's at least only trailing at a little outside the three-point line ... but that's how bad it was.

JJ just doesn't seem to be a very instinctual player. Gets destroyed by basic screens defensively, struggles to anticipate where an offensive player in going (which is essential in staying front of a player), and rarely gets his hand in to poke the ball away (did actually do this once last night and a couple times vs. LeMoyne). Offensively he has a nice mid-range but struggles to get to it, he doesn't always get tight enough coming around screens, his handle is so-so, and he's very straight-line to the basket. No wiggle, little change-of-direction.

This is a ton of criticism of a player who is working hard and seems like a good kid, so I want to make it clear that he does some good things -- decent shooter, good size and athleticism to finish in the paint, do like his mid-range when he gets to it, good speed and acceleration -- but I just don't know that some of his flaws are all that fixable.
 

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