Spitt on Pitt Postgame...

[Scooch]

We have already heard from people with an axe to grind about Wildhack (who I agree have sour grapes)

Two guys. Simmons might fire off one tweet if we fire Dino. But I kinda doubt it.

Who cares if LeBatard does 5 minutes on it for a radio show no one listens to.

Retaining a bad coach because of that would be suuuuuper weird.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I don't blame you for wanting wildhack to fire him. I really don't care if they do or don't. I just think the anger management society is not considering Wildhack's incentives to avoid national media criticism for firing a black man who has had moderately success at lowly Syracuse (as they see it)

If we fired him after 3 years then sure. He has had 8 years and has been far from moderately successful. No one in the national media cares enough to even notice. Even if they did, SU has plenty of justification to fire Dino as I laid out. At worst it would be a 2 day story, if it was even written in the first place. You don't keep a HC for fear of that.

 

[All4SU]

I’m trying to be positive this weekend, but that’s been on my mind too.

19 catches and 2 rushes in 9 games prior to yesterday. Guess we’ve been saving him?

Babers kind of addresses this in the presser. Villari switched I the Spring, but was hurt. Didn’t start practicing until August. And has been gradually worked in more and more.

 

[NYCCuse826]

If they leave, that means they most likely have been successful as SU which we haven’t been in a long long time.

Dino was rumored to leave after 2018 when SU then extended him. Two good years can be enough especially at SU. Before they settled on Ryan Day, Babers was rumored for the Ohio State job. That's how much SU did to damage his rep. Someone who comes here and does well will look to leave if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[RandomGuy]

I agree, ultimately HCDB is responsible for the lack of quality players. But, this cannot be changed during the season, so HCDB and his staff adjusted their game plan based on who and what was available and did what they thought would put the team in the best position to win. Kudos to them.

Peace

I partially agree. Its realistic to expect a bottom half of the ACC in recruiting. While there may be a few skill guys that can compete against anyone? If they go down, it presents a big problem.

My one constant, will always be a well coached oline. Addazio was .500 in ACC play, and I like what Duke has done(even with oline injuries). Both teams that recruit worse than us. A well coached line/scheme can give you a chance.. Its not a vote for meathead. Its a vote for a constant threat. Pass all you can, after that - with the knowledge that many opponents may have a deeper pool of quality DB's.

Loved the game plan. Completely unexpected.

 

[Scooch]

Babers kind of addresses this in the presser. Villari switched I the Spring, but was hurt. Didn’t start practicing until August. And has been gradually worked in more and more.

I guess. More likely they were completely desperate and Villari was the only option to do what they needed.

I mean he’s been getting about the same amount of targets each game since late September. And they hadn’t given him a carry since UNC.

He was long since worked in. They just didn’t want to make him a key cog, until they had no other choice.

 

[Millhouse]

I guess. More likely they were completely desperate and Villari was the only option to do what they needed.

I mean he’s been getting about the same amount of targets each game since late September. And they hadn’t given him a carry since UNC.

He was long since worked in. They just didn’t want to make him a key cog, until they had no other choice.

A converted QB running well at QB doesn't mean that the guy necessarily can play TE well yet.

This is just throwing stuff against the wall.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

yeah, that's right. we agree that the ultimate meathead game is ordinary which is why we shouldn't use that as a template for anything. it was fun and goofy and kinda like mcnabb playing center against georgetown. fun while it lasted and please don't do that again

Points is points, yarfs be yarfs.

 

[boog7]

I don't blame you for wanting wildhack to fire him. I really don't care if they do or don't. I just think the anger management society is not considering Wildhack's incentives to avoid national media criticism for firing a black man who has had moderately success at lowly Syracuse (as they see it)

Oh please stop with that "firing a black man" narrative - that is so effin' lame bro? Noooobody would be thinking like that in this scenario and even if they did, so what? They'd have no leg to stand on.

Dino Babers is a below average football coach - his losing overall record and awful in-conference record at SU undeniably confirms it. There is nothing "unjust" or "unfair" or "biased" about wanting to replace him? The man's performance as Head Coach has been mediocre at best - and subpar if we're being honest. And his race has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF IT. He is simply a lousy Head Coach and replacing him would be totally warranted. The school wanting to upgrade in this circumstance isn't wrong or unjust.

And using your flawed logic, you could never fire him because WHENEVER you do it, there will always be somebody somewhere complaining about it? So do you keep him forever?

The whole "firing a black man" narrative is weak sauce, brother. And this is coming from a progressive, proudly woke Black Man.

 

[orangecuse]

Making a Bowl at 2-6 in conference is different than going 5-2 and 4-4 in conference. It would be insane to reward an extension in year 8 to a HC who went 2-6 in a watered down ACC.

This post should be pinned. It's completely baffling to me that there still remain folks around here that seemingly can simply dismiss/ignore this pathetic ACC record of his. I imagine we'll be dawgs next week at GT and comfortable favorites against a really bad Wake team at home. So yeah, it appears that we'll finish at 2-6 in conference this season, with Dino's overall at 21-45. But yea, that 6-6 makes us bowl eligible.

At 2-6 in conference and an OOC strength of schedule as weak as it was (where the other 4 wins came from) well, IMO simply speaks for itself and confirmation of the relatively lowly achievements required to meet the bowl threshold.

 

[JustPherU]

Oh please stop with that "firing a black man" narrative - that is so effin' lame bro? Noooobody would be thinking like that in this scenario and even if they did, so what? They'd have no leg to stand on.

Dino Babers is a below average football coach - his losing overall record and awful in-conference record at SU undeniably confirms it. There is nothing "unjust" or "unfair" or "biased" about wanting to replace him? The man's performance as Head Coach has been mediocre at best - and subpar if we're being honest. And his race has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF IT. He is simply a lousy Head Coach and replacing him would be totally warranted. The school wanting to upgrade in this circumstance isn't wrong or unjust.

And using your flawed logic, you could never fire him because WHENEVER you do it, there will always be somebody somewhere complaining about it? So do keep him forever?

The whole "firing a black man" narrative is weak sauce, brother. And this is coming from a progressive, proudly woke Black Man.

Actually it’s insulting.

 

[Scooch]

A converted QB running well at QB doesn't mean that the guy necessarily can play TE well yet.

This is just throwing stuff against the wall.

I agree. Just suggesting that our O has been soooooo bad for so long that maybe it could have been worth throwing more stuff a few games ago.

 

[Millhouse]

Oh please stop with that "firing a black man" narrative - that is so effin' lame bro? Noooobody would be thinking like that in this scenario and even if they did, so what? They'd have no leg to stand on.

Dino Babers is a below average football coach - his losing overall record and awful in-conference record at SU undeniably confirms it. There is nothing "unjust" or "unfair" or "biased" about wanting to replace him? The man's performance as Head Coach has been mediocre at best - and subpar if we're being honest. And his race has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF IT. He is simply a lousy Head Coach and replacing him would be totally warranted. The school wanting to upgrade in this circumstance isn't wrong or unjust.

And using your flawed logic, you could never fire him because WHENEVER you do it, there will always be somebody somewhere complaining about it? So do keep him forever?

The whole "firing a black man" narrative is weak sauce, brother. And this is coming from a progressive, proudly woke Black Man.

maybe it's weak sauce. i'm just telling you that wildhack isn't going to fire someone bowl eligible in season and take that effin lame criticism when he doesn't have to

 

[kingtidge]

A converted QB running well at QB doesn't mean that the guy necessarily can play TE well yet.

This is just throwing stuff against the wall.

Especially when we don't have a single QB that can throw a ball downfield to anyone, including him (except maybe him with some practice, lol ??)

I mean that's a real indictment on the state of the recruiting and lack of player development... Not only does the depth suck but we have a QBs on this team that aren't able to do the basics at this level. No one is expecting greatness in tier 2 or 3 players, but if we can't expect them to play at a basic, serviceable level when needed, what is the point of handing them schollies?? To pretend we have depth??

It's simply not acceptable.

 

[Millhouse]

Actually it’s insulting.

'Quit talking about it and do something': The SEC's lack of Black head football coaches

Nearly 20 years after Sylvester Croom became the SEC's first Black head football coach, the league has none for the second straight season. Croom and other league power brokers examine why that is and what can be done.

www.espn.com

The lack of Black college football coaches is still glaring, and so are the excuses behind it

It's 2020, yet two Power 5 conferences, the SEC and the Big 12, do not have a Black head coach. Ivan Maisel wonders why his generation, the one that was supposed to get this right, has failed so miserably.

www.espn.com

i think it's completely foolish to think Wildhack wouldn't get ripped for firing him in season

 

[Ozone!]

 

[HRE Otto IV]

'Quit talking about it and do something': The SEC's lack of Black head football coaches

Nearly 20 years after Sylvester Croom became the SEC's first Black head football coach, the league has none for the second straight season. Croom and other league power brokers examine why that is and what can be done.

www.espn.com

The lack of Black college football coaches is still glaring, and so are the excuses behind it

It's 2020, yet two Power 5 conferences, the SEC and the Big 12, do not have a Black head coach. Ivan Maisel wonders why his generation, the one that was supposed to get this right, has failed so miserably.

www.espn.com

i think it's completely foolish to think Wildhack wouldn't get ripped for firing him in season

Did FSU or A&M get ripped nationally? How about Arizona? They fired a guy after only 3 years the last of which was 2020!

 

[boog7]

maybe it's weak sauce. i'm just telling you that wildhack isn't going to fire someone bowl eligible in season and take that effin lame criticism when he doesn't have to

In-season, I agree. But post-season, race should have absolutely nothing to do with whatever decision JW ultimately makes on DB. He should be judged solely on the merits of his coaching performance.

 

[charleston]

Yesterday was the first time in a long time, that Syracuse actually dominated the line of scrimmage. Maybe the guys up front aren't the big problem, but the called plays have been.
Maybe the blocking schemes have been to sophisticated, simple sometimes is better.

OL straight ahead push was strong ..also had some different guys in different positions Iloah played guard ...they're just not good at pass blocking

 

[Scooch]

maybe it's weak sauce. i'm just telling you that wildhack isn't going to fire someone bowl eligible in season and take that effin lame criticism when he doesn't have to

I highly doubt that possibility has entered into Wildhack’s calculus. I know it’s a drum you’ve been hammering for a couple weeks now. But the most likely thing is that JW simply sees no reason to fire him in season, for any reason.

 

[charleston]

Why didn’t Shrader just take a knee?
It’s like he forgot what to do in that situation

there was 4 seconds left on the clock and it was 4th down ...he had to burn a few seconds

 

[orangecuse]

If we go 6-6 this year it is a step back from last season against a weaker schedule too. How can anyone see that as an achievement?

Well, when you've your superior (leadership) state publicly that "the goal is getting to a bowl" the bar is rather low in regards to 'achievements.' There's no doubt, ADJW short-sidedly backed himself right into that proverbial corner with his own words/doing.

 

[All4SU]

I guess. More likely they were completely desperate and Villari was the only option to do what they needed.

I mean he’s been getting about the same amount of targets each game since late September. And they hadn’t given him a carry since UNC.

He was long since worked in. They just didn’t want to make him a key cog, until they had no other choice.

I think we could all see that Villari was becoming an offensive weapon as the season progressed. I’m not smart enough to evaluate his progress blocking - of course he didn’t really have to block yesterday. I think he was growing into the TE position. Yesterday, he wasn’t playing TE. He was asked to rely upon a different skill set from years past.

 

[RandomGuy]

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Especially when we don't have a single QB that can throw a ball downfield to anyone, including him (except maybe him with some practice, lol ??)

I mean that's a real indictment on the state of the recruiting and lack of player development... Not only does the depth suck but we have a QBs on this team that aren't able to do the basics at this level. No one is expecting greatness in tier 2 or 3 players, but if we can't expect them to play at a basic, serviceable level when needed, what is the point of handing them schollies?? To pretend we have depth??

It's simply not acceptable.

When your #1 and #2 go down? It presents a real problem, at any level. I'll always root for Tommy Devito, but to pretend its not an issue for the Giants is just not being honest.

I do hope that McPhail gets in for a few series, as a passing threat. At this point, it may cue the defense for a potential pass. I imagine Dino will work on some more wrinkles.

I was barely interested in watching any more games. I'm rather interested in the next two, now. Those Oline guys are on scholly, too. So are Lequint and Villari. I'm terribly impressed with Villari's running vision, and his obvious desire to win. The move to TE would indicate that he's not the best option for passing. But that's a possible wrinkle,too.

I'm interested.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Well, when you've your superior (leadership) state publicly that "the goal is getting to a bowl" the bar is rather low in regards to 'achievements.' There's no doubt, ADJW short-sidedly backed himself right into that proverbial corner with his words/own doing.

Did he say make a Bowl and keep your job forever? I don't recall that. Saying at a minimum we would expect a Bowl does not mean make a Bowl and you are safe. It means you better at least make a Bowl. At least is the key here.