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Starling > Mintz

Why? He's gone, and it's not like he's ever going to play in the NBA.

His grandfather was not a good poster, and probably reflected how Judah saw himself as more important than the team. Remember that early season post, 'Imagine if Judah was on a talented team!'? I sure do.

Are you also against criticizing DeShaun Williams or Louie McCrosky?
Yeah, I feel MUCH more for a guy like Jaquan Carlos than I do for Mintz. Carlos has handled himself well, appears to be a team guy, and is trying his best. He just isn't very good at this level. I'm much more supportive of a person like that than a spoiled "me" kinda person who wants to blame others for their own short comings.
 
This is relative, though, right? I would not consider Mintz to be a good defender, just better than Starling.
Sure. But thats kind of the point. If people are comparing two players, shouldn't we factor in defense? Its kind of important. And JJs defense is, well, bad.
 
Are we really comparing JJ to a future Hall of Famer?

I think a pretty decent comparison for JJ Starling is Tyus Battle. Big 2 guard, decent 3 point shooter, good on the drive and in the midrange, ball dominant. Likes to take the big shot. Battle was a better defender, but I think Starling's effort is pretty good this year.
 
This is relative, though, right? I would not consider Mintz to be a good defender, just better than Starling.

My only quibble with this is that while Judah might have been capable of a bit better defense, think of how many times a game he didn't run back on defense.

Say what you will about JJ, but we never see that. I see pretty good effort on his part.
 
Sure. But thats kind of the point. If people are comparing two players, shouldn't we factor in defense? Its kind of important. And JJs defense is, well, bad.
That’s all fine and good. All I’m saying is to claim Mintz is a great defender is just as much of a stretch as to claim Starling’s a better defender than him.
 
My only quibble with this is that while Judah might have been capable of a bit better defense, think of how many times a game he didn't run back on defense.

Say what you will about JJ, but we never see that. I see pretty good effort on his part.
Yeah, and Mintz took way too many gambles. So whether it was because he wouldn’t get back on defense or because he went for a steal he had no chance of getting, he was frequently out of position.
 
I'd pick JJ for one reason only, his mid range game from 6-12 feet. I think that is SU's best scoring option at this point. And I'll take that over Judah shooting free throws after he gets fouled. But Judah shot A LOT of free throws and he made them. Undervalued in that regard in my opinion.
 
That’s all fine and good. All I’m saying is to claim Mintz is a great defender is just as much of a stretch as to claim Starling’s a better defender than him.

I dont believe i have seen anyone claim Mintz was a great defender. All im saying is if we are comparing players people should take into consideration both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball when doing so. There has been some discussion comparing their offensive games, but there should also be a discussion comparing their defensive games.
 
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I've noticed the few times that JJ actually does go left to the hole and finishes, he always attempts/finishes with his right hand. This was the case even before his left wrist injury. He was able to execute that yesterday against a bad BC team, however, it just looks so awkward IMO.

Please tell me if I am misremembering this but didn't JJ try a left handed slam on a drive to the hoop?
 
why not just be positive toward JJ then?

instead it’s “he’s better than Mintz”, “he plays like russell westbrook but with a better shot”.

i swear some of these posts….you guys don’t realize it but you sound like Rugters Al and the Rutgers dumpster posts.

how about “his return from injury has been good. Allowed us to bench Carlos and play our best lineups. he’s been a solid scorer. Looking forward to seeing him continue to improve off his injury.”
its a thread title. Most people in here, me included, have already acknowledged Judah’s a better basketball player.

Its the “this team has no star” and “JJ’s a net negative” takes, that have been prevalent all year that are silly. 19.8 ppg is a a very good scorer. He should have gotten props since the UNC game last year but he continues to catch flack.
 
Has JJ really gotten a lot of flak this year?? I'm asking because I really don't know. I spend a lot of time on this board but maybe I've just missed discussion where people have been critical of him. Based on what I've read, it seems most are very appreciative of JJ's contributions and most criticism is about how average (or below average) this team is. I think people are just more frustrated with the step backwards this team has taken more than anything else. I know I am.
 
Has JJ really gotten a lot of flak this year?? I'm asking because I really don't know. I spend a lot of time on this board but maybe I've just missed discussion where people have been critical of him. Based on what I've read, it seems most are very appreciative of JJ's contributions and most criticism is about how average (or below average) this team is. I think people are just more frustrated with the step backwards this team has taken more than anything else. I know I am.

Everybody says he's terrible defensively.

And just like last year, I look at other guys on the roster, and I see 2 or 3 who are clearly worse.
 
Everybody says he's terrible defensively.

And just like last year, I look at other guys on the roster, and I see 2 or 3 who are clearly worse.
I mean there’s a reason for it. His defensive metrics still aren’t good. This year he has more company in that department though.
 
I think a pretty decent comparison for JJ Starling is Tyus Battle. Big 2 guard, decent 3 point shooter, good on the drive and in the midrange, ball dominant. Likes to take the big shot. Battle was a better defender, but I think Starling's effort is pretty good this year.
That seems a like a good comp. I'd say he's a somewhat lesser version of Battle across the board at this point, but he still has room to grow.
 
Battle was a better 3pt shooter. I don't like when JJ shoots from deep. He's 27% this year. Hell, the only one I feel good about taking 3s right not is Lucas. Imagine that.
 
19.8 ppg is a a very good scorer.
He leads the conference in FGAs.

Capable driver? Sure. He's not some schlub from the Y. But Syracuse has had the same offensive scheme for about 20 years now. Get a big combo guard who can drive and put the ball in his hands to "make things happen." For the last ten years, it's been a net loser. The same people who complain about advanced analytics on this site still don't understand that the team doesn't play an advanced analytical offense. That's why we are terrible efficiency wise - and have been.

There are only so many possessions in a basketball game and every point counts. Be efficient with them OR manufacture a lot more through offensive rebounds and TOs.
 
He leads the conference in FGAs.

Capable driver? Sure. He's not some schlub from the Y. But Syracuse has had the same offensive scheme for about 20 years now. Get a big combo guard who can drive and put the ball in his hands to "make things happen." For the last ten years, it's been a net loser. The same people who complain about advanced analytics on this site still don't understand that the team doesn't play an advanced analytical offense. That's why we are terrible efficiency wise - and have been.

There are only so many possessions in a basketball game and every point counts. Be efficient with them OR manufacture a lot more through offensive rebounds and TOs.
And McCord led the ACC in attempted passes, we don’t hold that against him.

JJ shoots more because he should. He’s the best scorer on this team and among the best scorers in the conference. When he’s taking command, we’re a better team. When he defers to Carlos, Bell, etc. we are who we are.
 
Sure. But thats kind of the point. If people are comparing two players, shouldn't we factor in defense? Its kind of important. And JJs defense is, well, bad.
How many times did Judah not get back on defense because of complaining about no foul call?
Even once makes you a bad defender and he did it a lot.
Happy he is gone, hopefully some day he realizes the game is team first, and me second. He does have the talent to make a team and contribute.
It's his attitude that's all wrong.
 
ME: Here's an array of defensive metrics that suggest Player A was a better defender than Player B.

Some of you: I saw Player A not try hard sometimes therefore he's a worse defensive player than Player B

Which one makes more sense...be honest.
 
And McCord led the ACC in attempted passes, we don’t hold that against him.

JJ shoots more because he should. He’s the best scorer on this team and among the best scorers in the conference. When he’s taking command, we’re a better team. When he defers to Carlos, Bell, etc. we are who we are.
McCord was an elite college QB.
JJ is not an elite college scorer.

Agree that when JJ scores more we're a better team. It does not make us a good team.
 
Last year, I thought that part of the reason our backcourt didn't seem to gel in an optimal way was that Mintz and Starling were similar players -- not that their strengths were the same, but that they were similar. Both need the ball in their hands to optimize their potential, which didn't work with them both playing out there together. And also, JJ deferred to Judah, who was more established.

Mintz couldn't shoot consistently, but excelled taking the ball into the lane and drawing fouls.

JJ shoots much better from deep than Mintz, and similarly excels at getting to the tin.

With Mintz gone, I like this change where they are making JJ the de facto lead guard -- not that he's a pure point [neither was Mintz], but given Carlos's limitations, this was a move that made sense.

It worked exceedingly well the last couple of games. JJ seems to have overcome his injury and is producing -- albeit against some of the lower rated teams in the conference. Remains to be seen whether he can maintain this level of play against the upper echelon.

But on the basis of shooting alone, I think you can make an argument that JJ is "better." I don't think he is quite as good of a ballhandler as Mintz. I think that Mintz had better hitch-up-your-shorts defensive potential than JJ, although his effort was often lacking. So, they are close, but I think JJ is a little better.
 
He leads the conference in FGAs.

Capable driver? Sure. He's not some schlub from the Y. But Syracuse has had the same offensive scheme for about 20 years now. Get a big combo guard who can drive and put the ball in his hands to "make things happen." For the last ten years, it's been a net loser. The same people who complain about advanced analytics on this site still don't understand that the team doesn't play an advanced analytical offense. That's why we are terrible efficiency wise - and have been.

There are only so many possessions in a basketball game and every point counts. Be efficient with them OR manufacture a lot more through offensive rebounds and TOs.
He’s shooting 56% from 2 this year - hes not leading the conference in attempts per game while shooting 45% from the field. The 3pt % is a problem but no is shooting 3s besides Taylor at this point. Who do we want getting more shots? If you think JJ should take less they need to go somewhere
 
McCord was an elite college QB.
JJ is not an elite college scorer.

Agree that when JJ scores more we're a better team. It does not make us a good team.
Literally no one has said we’re a good team. You guys are forcing your negative takes at this point. We’re just giving JJ credit where its due.
 

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