Sterlin Gilbert

[Chip]

Dont think that's fair to pull up comments from a disgruntled fan base.

Unless it's Clemson fans talking about Rob Spence. Man, were they spot on.

"All you're gonna see are tunnel screens"

"No way, you guys are crazy"

(all we saw were tunnel screens).

But the USF fanbase isn't really one I'd give the benefit of the doubt to. Maybe they'll be right, who knows. Or maybe we have our Quinton Flowers now in GS.

 

[Chip]

Yeah that's it. good grief

“Run run pass punt, you stink Deleone!”

That’s where I heard it. At the 2005 West Virginia game. Maybe the most fun I ever had at a game where we only had 100 yards of offense.

People kept screaming at us. It was so great.

 

[upperdeck]

I thought that we went to the line most of the time with plays in mind based on what the D was doing.. If the D has filled the box we more often tried to throw, if they were light in the box we more often tried to run.. nothing wrong with that on 1/2 down . but then when you have 7 blockers on 5 you need to win that battle more than 10% of the time too. Same for pass plays on 3rd down when you keep the TEs in and they rush 4 that should not be a meet me at the QB play as often as its been lately.

thats not play calling thats execution,.

when you get 1-1 the Wrs need to win some battles. When you have the blockers to handle the pressure you need to at least push the 1-1 battles. when you have 3rd/4th and short you need to make it 50% of the time not 15%. when we do that you can run an offense.

 

[cusefan88]

No spring, several shutdowns during summer, FB playing OG. No point in being pessimistic. Just hope for the best. 2020 should have no bearing on anything.

 

[RandomGuy]

When Dino said in presser, " You don't win at Syracuse doing what people expect," I hope he was referencing some of things in this discussion.

 

[TheCusian]

We weren’t winning enough on the line of scrimmage. All other problems flow from that one. You could have Alabama’s OC and it wouldn’t be efficient or look good.

 

[Ozone!]

The first game is quickly approaching. Truly, none of us will know about this years offense until then and only a portion of the schemes will be on display.
I am just excited for the season to begin!

 

[upperdeck]

We weren’t winning enough on the line of scrimmage. All other problems flow from that one. You could have Alabama’s OC and it wouldn’t be efficient or look good.

plays that take 5-6 secs to develop and then let the 3 fastest guys on the field get open work really well. run them with 1-2 secs, slower guys and inaccurate QBs and they dont look so good.

 

[money3189]

I'm sorry, but I judge by what he has done at SU. He has not produced even an average game plan for calling plays. Using the excuse that the players don't know the playbook is just bad coaching. I understand there were some limitations due to Covid however, to just brush off the obvious bad play calling has me concerned. I hope it was just an entire bad 2020 for SU and all turns around this year. If we see the same "predictable" play calling then we know it is going to be a long season. The opponents defenses obviously knew what was coming when they stacked 8 men in the box.

Give the offensive wizard Lincoln Riley our 2020 team with the line we had, Rex and the 3rd string freshman QB. You think it’s gonna look impressive? You can’t run a lot of stuff when you are that deficient. Again these aren’t excuses. These are reasons but if you want to be skeptical based off one year that’s fine. I’m as critical as anyone but I also understand the circumstances of last season. I also look at the body of work. Some people are just way too down. I don’t get it. The guy has never had a offensive showing like that until last year.

 

[money3189]

Exactly my point.

He was doing the same exact stuff we saw in 2020 at USF before.

It’s predictable and frustrating.

Like I said as well, if we see more of that this season, than we know that COVID wasn’t the issue in 2020 and that it was actually the play calling/OC

There’s a difference between not liking what you watch and actual production. Some of the best offenses are predictable. I didnt like watching Nebraska’s offense in the 90’s but it produced yards and points. Gilbert wouldn’t be a P5 OC if his offenses didn’t score. He improved the offense every where he went. Keep in mind he did that without recruiting any of the players for his system. He is not the reason why Cuse wasn’t good last year. That’s on Dino and the lack of developing players the last 5 years. Gilbert stepped into a mess. They couldnt even run team sessions most of preseason because of the lack of lineman available. That’s why it looked like a HS offense the first few weeks.

 

[baggerbob]

There’s a difference between not liking what you watch and actual production. Some of the best offenses are predictable. I didnt like watching Nebraska’s offense in the 90’s but it produced yards and points. Gilbert wouldn’t be a P5 OC if his offenses didn’t produce yards and points. He improved the offense every where he went. Keep in mind he did that without recruiting any of the players for his system. He is not the reason why Cuse wasn’t good last year. That’s on Dino and the lack of developing players the last 5 years. Gilbert stepped into a mess. They couldnt even run team sessions most of preseason because of the lack of lineman available. That’s why it looked like a HS offense the first few weeks.

At least give him a couple of games this year, before we say he can't do the job.

 

[upperdeck]

There’s a difference between not liking what you watch and actual production. Some of the best offenses are predictable. I didnt like watching Nebraska’s offense in the 90’s but it produced yards and points. Gilbert wouldn’t be a P5 OC if his offenses didn’t produce yards and points. He improved the offense every where he went. Keep in mind he did that without recruiting any of the players for his system. He is not the reason why Cuse wasn’t good last year. That’s on Dino and the lack of developing players the last 5 years. Gilbert stepped into a mess. They couldnt even run team sessions most of preseason because of the lack of lineman available. That’s why it looked like a HS offense the first few weeks.

people want to gloss over the oline depth issues that extended well beyond the offense.. no oline depth meant issues in practice for scout teams, on special teams.. across the board it caused issues.

how do you run a practice with no 2nd team to put in, for rest and recovery? it screwed every thing we did last yr.

 

[money3189]

people want to gloss over the oline depth issues that extended well beyond the offense.. no oline depth meant issues in practice for scout teams, on special teams.. across the board it caused issues.

how do you run a practice with no 2nd team to put in, for rest and recovery? it screwed every thing we did last yr.

Some don’t want to look underneath the hood to see what the issues are . They just want whatever that is wrong fixed. Not knowing that they could have saved a lot of money being more in tuned

 

[bnoro]

These are all good points. My issue is this….When you arrive amidst a bevy of issues that are out of your control, why not adapt to the hand that you are dealt? Obvious example being the wealth of TE talent that was not used. Why not scale back the offense and only run the 5-10 plays that you are best at? We use to laugh at Marrone when he would refer to the offensive system as “multiple.” What he meant by that was a willingness to adapt to the weapons you are given for the common goal of winning. Dino, and Gilbert like most coaches are stubborn and would rather run their full system regardless of the strengths and weaknesses inherited. Sometimes over these last 6 years we have refused to play to our strengths and I cannot understand why.

Because you don't change the entire offense that you're trying to install for the sake of one or two extra wins when you know the season is already a write off because of injuries and COVID. Why would you install one offense to tear it up the next season?

Instead, you install your offense with the hopes that experience playing in that leads to success in the next year, and the backups that are playing are able to learn and potentially become better prospects down the line.

 

[Killdozer]

Give the offensive wizard Lincoln Riley our 2020 team with the line we had, Rex and the 3rd string freshman QB. You think it’s gonna look impressive? You can’t run a lot of stuff when you are that deficient. Again these aren’t excuses. These are reasons but if you want to be skeptical based off one year that’s fine. I’m as critical as anyone but I also understand the circumstances of last season. I also look at the body of work. Some people are just way too down. I don’t get it. The guy has never had a offensive showing like that until last year.

Like I said, we will know more after a few games. Same play calling and it will be a long season as soon as the defenses adjust to our non existence scheme.

 

[JRHEETER]

I didn’t say I wouldn’t give him a few games this season, in fact I believe I said “if we see more of the same stuff” meaning, I’ll give him a few games but if productivity is the same as last season, the excuses are out the window and he is in the hook

but if it’s dramatically different this season, then I’m fine with it, even if it’s the same sequence of plays, as long as it’s producing something in good with it

 

[RF2044]

I didn’t say I wouldn’t give him a few games this season, in fact I believe I said “if we see more of the same stuff” meaning, I’ll give him a few games but if productivity is the same as last season, the excuses are out the window and he is in the hook

but if it’s dramatically different this season, then I’m fine with it, even if it’s the same sequence of plays, as long as it’s producing something in good with it

Well, "productivity" and "if we see more of the same" with respect to plays are two different things.

Nobody will be complaining if we run inside when the defense is spread out, and we're getting 4 ypc. Well, some fans will complain, but...

Execution is key. If the production is there, then I agree with your last sentence 100%.

 

[JRHEETER]

Well, "productivity" and "if we see more of the same" with respect to plays are two different things.

Nobody will be complaining if we run inside when the defense is spread out, and we're getting 4 ypc. Well, some fans will complain, but...

Execution is key. If the production is there, then I agree with your last sentence 100%.

“More of the same” is referring to our offensive production of last year.

We looked absolutely pathetic on offense last season.

If we can put some scores up and win games using the offense fine but if it’s “more of the same” from last year, then yeah that’s a problem.

 

[money3189]

Like I said, we will know more after a few games. Same play calling and it will be a long season as soon as the defenses adjust to our non existence scheme.

I think they will have more play selection now that they have the right players on the field but I agree play calling needs to improve. I didn’t always like the play calling in 2018 but we won 10 games.

 

[cusefan88]

I think they will have more play selection now that they have the right players on the field but I agree play calling needs to improve. I didn’t always like the play calling in 2018 but we won 10 games.

After watching back some games from 2018 I have found a new appreciation for Sean Riley. He was the unsung hero of the team IMO

 

[money3189]

After watching back some games from 2018 I have found a new appreciation for Sean Riley. He was the unsung hero of the team IMO

Agree

 

[baggerbob]

I think they will have more play selection now that they have the right players on the field but I agree play calling needs to improve. I didn’t always like the play calling in 2018 but we won 10 games.

That's because often Eric didn't like the plays and adjusted. He even said sometimes he didn' t like the play Dino called, and went to another.

 

[money3189]

That's because often Eric didn't like the plays and adjusted. He even said sometimes he didn' t like the play Dino called, and went to another.

Yep. Im sure. There's parts of the offense that allows the QB to make certain decisions. The problem is when they dont lol

 

[baggerbob]

Yep. Im sure. There's parts of the offense that allows the QB to make certain decisions. The problem is when they dont lol

That is where I have problems with Tommy, he hasn't shown the ability to look at the defense and adjust the play.
Great QB's have a feel for the game and adjust on the fly.
You can have all the physical ability, and if you don't have the mental awareness, you won't be a good QB.

 

[money3189]

That is where I have problems with Tommy, he hasn't shown the ability to look at the defense and adjust the play.
Great QB's have a feel for the game and adjust on the fly.
You can have all the physical ability, and if you don't have the mental awareness, you won't be a good QB.

agree