Sterlin Gilbert

[syrBossHogg]

The Louisville game was a major red flag for me, couldn't believe how bad the offense was coming out of a bye and against a bad defense. Though the playcalling was better against NC St and ND.

 

[money3189]

That is fair and i agree that he gets a total pass for last year. My hope is that he takes advantage of our personel strenghts vs trying to make them fit the system. My two cents is that we have some really nice weapons that need to be utilized. The RB room is loaded. Possibly the best we have had in 10 years. As to the WRs im not sure but many of them pass the look test. My breakout kid based on what i have been told is Jones. Last point when you mention USF his production slipped after his dual threat QB was gone. Im not anti Tommy but rather pro dual threat. I hope that they both do well but believe that in the college game Qbs that can beat you with their legs usually do well. Time will tell.

Fair points

 

[money3189]

The Louisville game was a major red flag for me, couldn't believe how bad the offense was coming out of a bye and against a bad defense. Though the playcalling was better against NC St and ND.

I agree Louisville defense was not good last year and we made them look like the 85 bears. Keep in mind Morgan was limited. He looked lost out there. I was more disppointed in Rex when he came in. I thought he could generate a couple scoring drives. Overall, it was bad showing for a offense that was already bad.

 

[Chip]

Gilbert has never been in a situation like he was in going into 2020. He's now had a full year of install, has a healthier line and better QB depth. He has something to work with now. We will see.

Yeah, I think judging him on 2020 is pretty crazy for so many reasons:

1. No spring and a bizarro preseason to install.
2. Basically 1 FBS ready QB, then Rex, then a lightly recruited true freshman.
3. 4 healthy offensive linemen on the roster, and you lose your fullback to be the 5th.
4. The two RBs you're counting on opt out.
5. No weaker opponents to work out the kinks.

If one wants to judge him on prior jobs, then by all means. Some questionable playcalling, ok sure, but those 5 items above don't make that job easier.

2020 is about as big an outlier for his career as you can get.

 

[money3189]

Yeah, I think judging him on 2020 is pretty crazy for so many reasons:

1. No spring and a bizarro preseason to install.
2. Basically 1 FBS ready QB, then Rex, then a lightly recruited true freshman.
3. 4 healthy offensive linemen on the roster, and you lose your fullback to be the 5th.
4. The two RBs you're counting on opt out.
5. No weaker opponents to work out the kinks.

If one wants to judge him on prior jobs, then by all means. Some questionable playcalling, ok sure, but those 5 items above don't make that job easier.

2020 is about as big an outlier for his career as you can get.

Well said.

 

[hplare]

In a rant a wrote last year, but never posted were these concerns about the OC

With two weeks off between games absolutely nothing new to show for the next game. A halfback pass, a reverse, a flea flicker, something different. Certainly no guarantees for success, but why not?

Clock management. In the Louisville game; behind 13 to 0 near the end of the first half. Ball at midfield. 3rd and six. 2:13 on the clock after a completed pass and we change personnel and waste a full 39 seconds to get the next play off with three time outs available. Third down fails. Louisville calls time out. We don't punt and fail on 4th down. Louisville takes over with less than a minute and a half on the clock and march to a score.

The NC State game. Down to the very end. 30 seconds left. State calls timeout. You must have gamed that situation in practice. You must have the next two plays called. You discuss all possibilities. You stress not getting sacked. It wasn't Rex's fault. It was the sideline's.

I know. It was the covid, the dropouts, the injuries. It limited what we could do.

On the other hand, remember that first press conference? There was a boast of not having a playbook.

Maybe that's why they said the freshman QBs couldn't master it.

Let's all hope they've found one for this year.

Go Cuse





Why is it surprising? Reflect on HCDB's first press conferences. There was a boast of not having a playbook.

 

[JRHEETER]

I’m not going to judge him on 2020 but I’m certainly going to keep it in mind if things look similar early this season

 

[RF2044]

Yeah, I think judging him on 2020 is pretty crazy for so many reasons:

1. No spring and a bizarro preseason to install.
2. Basically 1 FBS ready QB, then Rex, then a lightly recruited true freshman.
3. 4 healthy offensive linemen on the roster, and you lose your fullback to be the 5th.
4. The two RBs you're counting on opt out.
5. No weaker opponents to work out the kinks.

If one wants to judge him on prior jobs, then by all means. Some questionable playcalling, ok sure, but those 5 items above don't make that job easier.

2020 is about as big an outlier for his career as you can get.

Agree 100%. Now, there's some evidence from stops prior to Syracuse, some anecdotal dissatisfaction expressed by some of the fanbases, etc. that people can look at.

But I find it difficult to draw anything meaningful about his offense, coaching, play calling, etc. given that we couldn't field a functional OL due to the excessive injuries -- in addition to all of the factors you outline.

Will be interesting to see how things unfold this year, now that the OL situation is likely remediated.

 

[Chip]

In a rant a wrote last year, but never posted were these concerns about the OC

With two weeks off between games absolutely nothing new to show for the next game. A halfback pass, a reverse, a flea flicker, something different. Certainly no guarantees for success, but why not?

Clock management. In the Louisville game; behind 13 to 0 near the end of the first half. Ball at midfield. 3rd and six. 2:13 on the clock after a completed pass and we change personnel and waste a full 39 seconds to get the next play off with three time outs available. Third down fails. Louisville calls time out. We don't punt and fail on 4th down. Louisville takes over with less than a minute and a half on the clock and march to a score.

The NC State game. Down to the very end. 30 seconds left. State calls timeout. You must have gamed that situation in practice. You must have the next two plays called. You discuss all possibilities. You stress not getting sacked. It wasn't Rex's fault. It was the sideline's.

I know. It was the covid, the dropouts, the injuries. It limited what we could do.

On the other hand, remember that first press conference? There was a boast of not having a playbook.

Maybe that's why they said the freshman QBs couldn't master it.

Let's all hope they've found one for this year.

Go Cuse





Why is it surprising? Reflect on HCDB's first press conferences. There was a boast of not having a playbook.

I definitely have my concerns. And if I hear belief without evidence one more time I’m gonna...well probably do nothing, but I’m really sick of hearing it.

That Louisville game was a complete disaster. Two straight years of getting boat raced down there. At least in 2019, the offense tried to keep up. Need to be competitive this year, they’re not THAT good.

 

[RandomGuy]

OT: Sterlin Gilbert

Coming to Cuse apparently as our CO-OC or OC. I know he had great success with Flowers. Cuse has a QB with a great arm but not nearly the escapability of Quinton. What were his good and bad points at USF as OC? Any tendencies or go to plays? Thanks in advance

www.thebullspen.com

 

[money3189]

OT: Sterlin Gilbert

Coming to Cuse apparently as our CO-OC or OC. I know he had great success with Flowers. Cuse has a QB with a great arm but not nearly the escapability of Quinton. What were his good and bad points at USF as OC? Any tendencies or go to plays? Thanks in advance

www.thebullspen.com

Dont think that's fair to pull up comments from a disgruntled fan base. USF had a lot of thing going on internally. The defense was horrendous and Strong is a defensive guy. That says a lot about what was going on internally with that team. A lot of those fans are reacting off emotions and dont have real knowledge of how the offense works. To be honest its hard to value thoughts from fans who call inside zone a dive. There's a lot of people that still dont understand how that play works.

Gilbert's rush yards previous 5 years.
2019 - 2000
2018- ( without Flowers) 2,500
2017 - 3,100
2016 - 2,800 yards
2015- 2,200 yards

I know people are frustrated but lets stop acting like Gilbert doesnt know how to run the ball

 

[JRHEETER]

Dont think that's fair to pull up comments from a disgruntled fan base. USF had a lot of thing going on internally. The defense was horrendous and Strong is a defensive guy. That says a lot about what was going on internally with that team. A lot of those fans are reacting off emotions and dont have real knowledge of the offense works. To be honest its hard to value thoughts from fans who call inside zone a dive. There's a lot of people that still dont understand how that play works.

Gilbert's rush yards previous 5 years.
2019 - 2000
2018- ( without Flowers) 2,500
2017 - 3,100
2016 - 2,800 yards
2015- 2,200 yards

I know people are frustratied but lets stop acting like Gilbert doesnt know how to run the ball

Yeah the few posts on there that worry me are this..

Here’s Gilbert’s playbook
1st down- HB Dive
2nd down- HB Dive
3rd down- Deep sideline pass
4th down- Punt

Where have I seen that before??? Oh yeah l of our 2020 season….

 

[RandomGuy]

Dont think that's fair to pull up comments from a disgruntled fan base. USF had a lot of thing going on internally. The defense was horrendous and Strong is a defensive guy. That says a lot about what was going on internally with that team. A lot of those fans are reacting off emotions and dont have real knowledge of the offense works. To be honest its hard to value thoughts from fans who call inside zone a dive. There's a lot of people that still dont understand how that play works.

Gilbert's rush yards previous 5 years.
2019 - 2000
2018- ( without Flowers) 2,500
2017 - 3,100
2016 - 2,800 yards
2015- 2,200 yards

I know people are frustratied but lets stop acting like Gilbert doesnt know how to run the ball.

Not fair, but it was interesting to read their perspective - with all the similar H0T Takes Hoping we all feel differently,, after his 2cnd year, here.

I spent another 30 minutes on their board... I'd much rather be watching Cuse practice clips.

 

[money3189]

Not fair, but it was interesting to read their perspective - with all the similar H0T Takes Hoping we all feel differently,, after his 2cnd year, here.

I spent another 30 minutes on their board. Entertaining.

Nothing wrong with being positive on here also. Especially going into a new season

 

[money3189]

Yeah the few posts on there that worry me are this..

Here’s Gilbert’s playbook
1st down- HB Dive
2nd down- HB Dive
3rd down- Deep sideline pass
4th down- Punt

Where have I seen that before??? Oh yeah l of our 2020 season….

We all know why 2020 season was bad and we all know he was limited with what he had and what he could do. Why just reference that season? Ive seen teams with better players that dont produce the amount of yards and points Gilberts offenses had.

 

[OrangeDW]

I do miss when when had Erv Phillips putting up numbers and moving the chains. Can we get back to that at least?

 

[Nick44]

These are all good points. My issue is this….When you arrive amidst a bevy of issues that are out of your control, why not adapt to the hand that you are dealt? Obvious example being the wealth of TE talent that was not used. Why not scale back the offense and only run the 5-10 plays that you are best at? We use to laugh at Marrone when he would refer to the offensive system as “multiple.” What he meant by that was a willingness to adapt to the weapons you are given for the common goal of winning. Dino, and Gilbert like most coaches are stubborn and would rather run their full system regardless of the strengths and weaknesses inherited. Sometimes over these last 6 years we have refused to play to our strengths and I cannot understand why.

 

[JRHEETER]

We all know why 2020 season was bad and we all know he was limited with what he had and what he could do. Why just reference that season? Ive seen teams with better players that dont produce the amount of yards and points Gilberts offenses had.

Im referencing that season because that’s how every drive was last year for us.

Their fans on their board before last season literally said his only playbook at USF was exactly what he did last season.

So I said that makes me nervous because we know how awful it was last season but we all blamed it on lack of spring practice and Covid. However, USF fans before the season were saying that’s all he did with them. So perhaps what we saw last season was not because of COVID and having no spring practice. Perhaps what we saw last year was in fact, what he brings to the table as an OC

We will see this season, if he gets more creative than that or not. But was stating, that’s the one take away from their board that makes me nervous

 

[money3189]

Im referencing that season because that’s how every drive was last year for us.

Their fans on their board before last season literally said his only playbook at USF was exactly what he did last season.

So I said that makes me nervous because we know how awful it was last season but we all blamed it on lack of spring practice and Covid. However, USF fans before the season were saying that’s all he did with them. So perhaps what we saw last season was not because of COVID and having no spring practice. Perhaps what we saw last year was in fact, what he brings to the table as an OC

We will see this season, if he gets more creative than that or not. But was stating, that’s the one take away from their board that makes me nervous

and that's the briles system. That's what it looks like. Thats what we have talked about here for years (even in 2018) .Why do we need validation from USF fans who are debating the difference between Gilbert and Kerwin Bell? They sound like a disfunctional fan base.

 

[JRHEETER]

and that's the briles system. That's what it looks like. Thats what we have talked about here for years (even in 2018) .Why do we need validation from USF fans who are debating the difference between Gilbert and Kerwin Bell? They sound like a disfunctional fan base.

Well then Gilbert isn’t the guy.

Because throwing low percentage passes on third down and running the ball up the middle the first two plays is probably not going to work.

 

[money3189]

Well then Gilbert isn’t the guy.

Because throwing low percentage passes on third down and running the ball up the middle the first two plays is probably not going to work.

He isnt the guy because their fans didnt like the sequence of his plays? You basing your thoughts off them? dive dive pass punt produced 38 points per game (10th in the nation) . You gonna forget all the yards and points he put up for different teams and take the word of forum guys who probably never played football?

PTSD is doing a number on some of us. Im choosing not to be miserable. Its easy for all of us to complain. We can talk every day about play calls we dont like. I go on a lot of boards. Seems like everyone hates their OC lol. I have gone to Pitt, BC boards recently and they think their OC stinks. I remember going to the Bama's board and hearing people complain about Kiffin.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Yeah the few posts on there that worry me are this..

Here’s Gilbert’s playbook
1st down- HB Dive
2nd down- HB Dive
3rd down- Deep sideline pass
4th down- Punt

Where have I seen that before??? Oh yeah l of our 2020 season….

Yeah that's it. good grief

 

[Killdozer]

We all know why 2020 season was bad and we all know he was limited with what he had and what he could do. Why just reference that season? Ive seen teams with better players that dont produce the amount of yards and points Gilberts offenses had.

I'm sorry, but I judge by what he has done at SU. He has not produced even an average game plan for calling plays. Using the excuse that the players don't know the playbook is just bad coaching. I understand there were some limitations due to Covid however, to just brush off the obvious bad play calling has me concerned. I hope it was just an entire bad 2020 for SU and all turns around this year. If we see the same "predictable" play calling then we know it is going to be a long season. The opponents defenses obviously knew what was coming when they stacked 8 men in the box.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Wow... I had removed that NcSt game from memory. Now it is back.

 

[JRHEETER]

I'm sorry, but I judge by what he has done at SU. He has not produced even an average game plan for calling plays. Using the excuse that the players don't know the playbook is just bad coaching. I understand there were some limitations due to Covid however, to just brush off the obvious bad play calling has me concerned. I hope it was just an entire bad 2020 for SU and all turns around this year. If we see the same "predictable" play calling then we know it is going to be a long season. The opponents defenses obviously knew what was coming when they stacked 8 men in the box.

Exactly my point.

He was doing the same exact stuff we saw in 2020 at USF before.

It’s predictable and frustrating.

Like I said as well, if we see more of that this season, than we know that COVID wasn’t the issue in 2020 and that it was actually the play calling/OC