STs nightmare

[kcsu]

What happened to 8 across the line? 2 wide and then the punter. Stay tight and if the block team is going to try and go wide to block the kick, it’s going to require more steps to get home. Or overload the right side and let the punter roll right and rugby kick.

Door number 1 is always the way to go

 

[KaiserUEO]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

 

[HtownOrange]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

Well put.

 

[IthacaMatt]

STs nightmare​

HEY ! what happened in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Let's hope so! I've seen enough of that stuff!

 

[hungrychuck]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

So nothing to do with the coaching then?

 

[KaiserUEO]

So nothing to do with the coaching then?

I’ll invoke BOARD RULE #1.

At present, I’m happy to blame the talent level.

Don’t think Fran had time to recruit that kind of player depth.

 

[Domedog84]

using starters on Punt and kickoffs. Use them the same way that UNLV did but only if they have a unique talent such as blazing speed.

So only use starters if they are good at special teams? I’m not sure what you are saying, as UNLV used starters. I don’t really care who plays, the unit just needs to be better.

 

[gmoney44]

So nothing to do with the coaching then?

It absolutely is coaching also. Guys have no clue who to block.

 

[Cuse181]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

So are you vollono’s wife or something?

Every position is group is hard to coach, but you aren’t seeing Nixon’s offense or Robinsons defense going out and failing on 50% of the plays. I don’t think Syracuse has gotten a clean punt off in 2 games.

As for competing at a “high level”

Holy cross got punts off, Ohio gets punts off, watching the football world every Saturday I see 99% of teams get punts off consistently yet Syracuse hasn’t been able to. That’s a unique and clear coaching problem, through and through.

 

[Bulldog04]

missing a block is on the player. Not knowing who to block is on the coach. Both seem to be at fault from what I’ve seen

 

[JRHEETER]

After UNLV kicked one short (2 yd line maybe) and SU returned it all of 7 yds, I turned to the guy sitting next to me and said, "oh no, they are forcing us to return the kickoff".

All good except in college you can take a fair catch and get it at the 25

 

[kcsu]

missing a block is on the player. Not knowing who to block is on the coach. Both seem to be at fault from what I’ve

Im not a fan of our shield punt scheme. I would go to a modified spread scheme and tighten up the gunners maybe eliminate one of them depending on field position. The D is simply overloading the A gap against the shield and its been a jail break against three guys who are clueless. Take the guessing out of it and go hat on hat.

 

[Bulldog04]

Im not a fan of our shield punt scheme. I would go to a modified spread scheme and tighten up the gunners maybe eliminate one of them depending on field position. The D is simply overloading the A gap against the shield and its been a jail break against three guys who are clueless. Take the guessing out of it and go hat on hat.

Correct and a lot of it has come from Cuse right side of the line where Barron hasn’t touched anyone twice on blocks. Something ain’t right lol

 

[kcsu]

Correct and a lot of it has come from Cuse right side of the line where Barron hasn’t touched anyone twice on blocks. Something ain’t right lol

I watched the game again. It was a simple Jail break by overloading the A gap. What we need are our best blockers on the punt protection team. Not Barron, Not OG, But blockers Offensive lineman. Teach the punter to angle every punt to the sidelines. Shouldn't be hard.

 

[DPCuse]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

Here is the hard part to understand. Our roster is upgraded from last year talent wise but the specials have taken a step backwards...some may say a big step.

 

[kcsu]

If im Fran i tell the ST coach. Fix it. Play anyone you want. Play any scheme you want. Your call but get it right or get gone.

 

[Newhouser]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

Special teams is hard - just catching a punt is not easy (that kid by the way did great in the contest and he got knocked to the ground twice).

Pena should fair catch everything and I think we should go for it on anything less than 4th and 5 anywhere outside our 35.

 

[upperdeck]

Its always a mix of blocking and covering. not sure our oline guys are mobile enough to all block punts well. Its more confusion than talent on the mistakes.

 

[KaiserUEO]

So are you vollono’s wife or something?

Every position is group is hard to coach, but you aren’t seeing Nixon’s offense or Robinsons defense going out and failing on 50% of the plays. I don’t think Syracuse has gotten a clean punt off in 2 games.

As for competing at a “high level”

Holy cross got punts off, Ohio gets punts off, watching the football world every Saturday I see 99% of teams get punts off consistently yet Syracuse hasn’t been able to. That’s a unique and clear coaching problem, through and through.

Sigh.

Do you understand what a ‘top heavy’ roster is?

Wait, don’t answer….you don’t.

As for the clear coaching problem, obviously you are unique and too boneheaded to see through and through that players need to execute.

I’m guessing the failed insult asking if I was vallones mom or something means u have some reason to not realise that the players on specials suck.

I’m not saying he still won’t be fired, scapegoating is a natural reaction. And he’s certainly an easy target at present.

 

[sufandu]

Not the issues with the 2 I saw at UNLV. He had multiple people in his face immediately.

He was running for his life the moment he caught the ball on the one he didn't get off. I hope he doesn't get Andrew Robinsoned.

 

[sufandu]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

Did the talent get worse from last year? Because the special teams did.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Did the talent get worse from last year? Because the special teams did.

How many guys played specials last year, are still playing specials this year?

I would imagine a bunch of kids who played specials last year, got recruited over this year…and left. Or they are too valuable and don’t play specials….leaving the ones who didn’t leave because they knew their next stop was Duquesne or somewhere.

 

[tep624]

It seems like most here don’t get it, which is obviously not surprising…..special teams at this level is hard, especially for a 1st year coach who turned over the roster.

Bill Parcells famously said….”there are football players and there are guys who play football. I’m looking for the football players”.

Specials in college, is where you find the football players.

I doubt with this kind of roster…very, VERY top heavy…..we have the type of talent to legitimately compete at a high level on specials.

With P, you could look at the KR team and say…ok, that’s the starting O in 2 years., the KO team?…. starting D.

A lot of the guys we had drafted in rounds 4-7….made it…because of specials.

Fran knows this, give it time.

But no more boneheaded mistakes!!!

This definitely affects the coverage and return blocking so I agree with you on those. I'll give you missed FG's too.

Allowing 5 guys to run through the LOS and block a punt further than I've ever seen? One of the worst onside kick recoveries I've seen? Those for me tend to align more to scheme / preparation than necessarily talent.

 

[SyraGus]

I understand the rationale for wanting to play starters on ST to improve their draft resumes. I assume starters are maxing out their reps with their regular position groups. Wouldn't that limit the amount of time available for them to practice on ST? Wonder if this might contribute to some of the breakdowns? Or is it the case that other position groups don't practice while ST is practicing?

 

[sufandu]

How many guys played specials last year, are still playing specials this year?

I would imagine a bunch of kids who played specials last year, got recruited over this year…and left. Or they are too valuable and don’t play specials….leaving the ones who didn’t leave because they knew their next stop was Duquesne or somewhere.

So a guy gets recruited over and the guy replacing him is worse? Too valuable to play specials? Fran refuted that through word and action. If Gadsden isn't too valuable, nobody outside of McCord is.

Don't know why you're digging your heels in here other than that's who you are.

This has been the worst special teams I've seen in 30+ years of watching Syracuse football and we've had 6 coaching changes in that time. P was a continuity hire so throw that out and it's 5, so your earlier assertion that it's first year hiccups doesn't make sense. Even the total trainwreck of GRob didn't have specials this bad. And before you say GRob had P's leftover talent, GRob left Marrone a bare cupboard and his weren't this bad.

Fran will get it fixed. I'm guessing part of that will be a coaching change, and that won't be a scapegoat.