SU football plays where you would love a do-over

[WickedOrange]

I don't understand why we wouldn't just run a QB dive with 240 lb PP over and over again. It would be physically impossible to stop 8 times in a row.

Greg Robinson at his best.

Black and Gold Box Score: A Trip Down Memory Lane: 2006 Iowa at Syracuse, "The Stand"

 

[Millhouse]

Worst analogy ever.

Would you forget the Holocaust? WOULD YOU?

first post in months and this is what i go with

 

[SUFan44]

I think you nailed my top 4 - '92 Miami, '94 Oklahoma, '97 NC State, '98 Tennessee

I remember being absolutely crushed after the NC State game. We had that game won. And we were looking at a Top 10 ranking.

That team should have been a 10+ win team. I long for 8-9 win seasons, but at the time it was so frustrating to never get over the hump.

 

[Eric15]

I remember being absolutely crushed after the NC State game.

Gut-wrenching. Scored on the first play of the game and I thought we were going to win by 4 or 5 TDs.

 

[Chip]

Great list for sure. I always looked at that Oklahoma game as a major one since it was the first one I attended and didn't realize how historic it was until looked back upon it. It was, aside from Miami 94 game, the loudest i ever heard the dome for football.

I just wonder what the upside was for the 94 season if we beat Oklahoma in that game? That team, to me, was flawed in many ways so not sure what the upside was for that team if we squeak out that win. I feel like that loss, coupled with the upset vs Tech, equaled out. I still think that team isn't a Bowl team for 1994 purposes. I also hated that they took the names off the jerseys that year.

All of those flaws came pouring out when the 3rd quarter of that Miami game started. I've shared this one before but we didn't score a single point in the 2nd half of the last 4 games. (2 of them we didn't score a point in the first half either). It was bizarre. We went from being able to run the ball and Mason/Harrison keeping defenses honest, to unable to move the ball.

Still, 7-0 going into that Miami game would have been fun, even though that atmosphere was already nuts and was 3:30 ABC, the gold standard at the time.

 

[kirbivore]

Troy Nunes. It was either VT or BC. Right before half throws the worst Int into the end zone I've ever seen.

That game was at BC. P didn't pull Nunes at halftime. One 4 pt. FG later and coachpmustgo.com was born.

 

[kirbivore]

Dee Brown vs NC State 1997. We only needed a FG to win.

Fumble resulted in OT, and Tory Holt beat us on a 2 point conversion.

That was Brown's only career fumble.

Also in that game P wasn't ready when NC St. went for the winning 2 pt. conversion

 

[kirbivore]

Probably not, but then again that's a profoundly historical moment of the 20th century and not an early 90s Big East football game.

Dave Sims wished he was gunned down as opposed to calling those mid 2000's Big East Nooners.

 

[kirbivore]

two examples of painfully conservative play calling setting SU up to fail

1998 Tennessee. Don't make an attempt at the endzone on the final offensive possession. Playing for the FG and trusting a defense that was getting torched to make a stop. I'd rather they go for the TD and make Tennessee get a TD to win

2000 VT - SU up 14-3 under 2:00 in the 2nd quarter blocks a punt. The dome is rocking, Freeney is abusing Vick, and SU has the ball with a chance to go up 21-3 at half. SU gets the ball around the VT 25 with about 1:40-1:50 left before half. Calls 3 runs to set up a FG kicker whose name I forget but was useless beyond 40 yards. He predictably misses a 47 yarder, and Cuse misses a golden opportunity. Nunes sealed the loss later with one of his patented 30 yard backward scrambles and pick 6.

 

[Toga]

two examples of painfully conservative play calling setting SU up to fail

1998 Tennessee. Don't make an attempt at the endzone on the final offensive possession. Playing for the FG and trusting a defense that was getting torched to make a stop. I'd rather they go for the TD and make Tennessee get a TD to win

2000 VT - SU up 14-3 under 2:00 in the 2nd quarter blocks a punt. The dome is rocking, Freeney is abusing Vick, and SU has the ball with a chance to go up 21-3 at half. SU gets the ball around the VT 25 with about 1:40-1:50 left before half. Calls 3 runs to set up a FG kicker whose name I forget but was useless beyond 40 yards. He predictably misses a 47 yarder, and Cuse misses a golden opportunity. Nunes sealed the loss later with one of his patented 30 yard backward scrambles and pick 6.

 

[JKinUtah]

can we get a do over on this?

 

[tep624]

Quite the contrary - I spoke up only when another poster felt the need to "correct" the original comment with alternative facts. It's one thing to not be sure of the details, it's another to go correcting people with bad information.

By the way, I'm allowed to act surprised that one of the biggest SU football games in our lifetime can be so easily twisted and confused. Apparently some are easily offended by that and have to make juvenile comparisons to fanhood. But that's par for the course these days... I've been accused of not being a good enough fan when I "forget" that JB has 1000 more wins than I do.

First, I said "Game" - not "Play" and I wasn't correcting him.

Second, an opinion on what play in a game is most important is subjective anyway and there is no right or wrong answer. It's all opinion.

Third, had Gedney caught the ball in the endzone as time expired, that would have been the most important play because we would have WON the game on it. So for me, that's the play that I remember.

I was just confirming it was the same game because I honestly don't remember the Rohan Marley pic. Probably because I was 13 at the time and it was 25 years ago. Imagine that.

Lighten up Francis.

 

[OrangePA]

Troy Nunes. It was either VT or BC. Right before half throws the worst Int into the end zone I've ever seen.

I think it was BC.

Troy remains the most frustrating player in Syracuse Football history.

He had moments of utter brilliance and moments of utter futility.

He got more out of his talent base than any player I have seen on the Hill.

And yet, at the same time, he was the most maddening player I have ever seen.

 

[AZOrange]

Do people forget details of the Kennedy assassination?

Yeah the details of the Kennedy assassination have never been questioned...

 

[AZOrange]

That was the sock game.

I could be wrong but weren't there 2 "uniform" penalties that game?

 

[Millhouse]

I think it was BC.

Troy remains the most frustrating player in Syracuse Football history.

He had moments of utter brilliance and moments of utter futility.

He got more out of his talent base than any player I have seen on the Hill.

And yet, at the same time, he was the most maddening player I have ever seen.

guys as limited as nunes need to take huge chances when they get their one shot

i think of jake delhomme and ryan fitzpatrick. they're not good enough so they take their shot trying to throw it through people. some guys like that get lucky at first and get established before regressing to their mean.

nunes did that and made some things happen on some goofy miracle bs (pitt bad snap fg) where williams played it too safe.

I can't believe he pulled off this junk two years in a row against Pitt haha



Troy Nunes. Syracuse vs. Pitt 2000. Game-winning Touchdown pass to David Tyree in OT

coaches have to see through it - when fitz starts 3-0 with great stats only because of dropped interceptions, don't give him the big contract.

 

[Toga]

guys as limited as nunes need to take huge chances when they get their one shot

i think of jake delhomme and ryan fitzpatrick. they're not good enough so they take their shot trying to throw it through people. some guys like that get lucky at first and get established before regressing to their mean.

nunes did that and made some things happen on some goofy miracle bs (pitt bad snap fg) where williams played it too safe.

I can't believe he pulled off this junk two years in a row against Pitt haha



Troy Nunes. Syracuse vs. Pitt 2000. Game-winning Touchdown pass to David Tyree in OT

coaches have to see through it - when fitz starts 3-0 with great stats only because of dropped interceptions, don't give him the big contract.

If you're an OL you gotta love the opportunity to clean some guy's clock on a blind side block 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[Millhouse]

If you're an OL you gotta love the opportunity to clean some guy's clock on a blind side block 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

the 2000 version of nunez's goosechase had quite a block from i think it was chris davis?

 

[Millhouse]

they weren't good enough for this to matter but just in terms of really bad play calls, aj long's goofy fumble against NC state on a trick play was very costly

 

[ForCuseSake]

Good list.

For me, Tennessee, end of first half, I think we could have just taken a knee and ran out the clock. Might be wrong there. But that Konrad fumble that gave them a late TD was just a killer.

Also, 1993 homecoming against WVU, if I could change one thing it would be a power outage at the Dome that night.

I'm sure there's one killer play from either 1991 or 1995 home losses to ECU I'd like to change just can't think specifically of one.

'92 Miami, '94 Oklahoma, '97 NC State, '98 Tennessee were 4 of the toughest Dome losses to get over considering the circumstances.

To this day I hate Jamie Barnette and Marcus Crandall for their handiwork mentioned above.

 

[OrangePA]

guys as limited as nunes need to take huge chances when they get their one shot

i think of jake delhomme and ryan fitzpatrick. they're not good enough so they take their shot trying to throw it through people. some guys like that get lucky at first and get established before regressing to their mean.

nunes did that and made some things happen on some goofy miracle bs (pitt bad snap fg) where williams played it too safe.

I can't believe he pulled off this junk two years in a row against Pitt haha



Troy Nunes. Syracuse vs. Pitt 2000. Game-winning Touchdown pass to David Tyree in OT

coaches have to see through it - when fitz starts 3-0 with great stats only because of dropped interceptions, don't give him the big contract.

At least Delhomme and Fitzpatrick had some semblance of the physical tools needed to compete on the NFL level.

Troy did not have any of the tools needed to compete on the college level.

He was a civilian playing a game that his body simply could not accommodate.

That he was even able to get on the field was miraculous.

If we could get a do over in 1999, I start Madei Williams and stick with him - we are a solid QB away from a high level bowl and a win against Michigan.

 

[Chip]

To this day I hate Jamie Barnette and Marcus Crandall for their handiwork mentioned above.

Don't forget Jeff Blake.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Don't forget Jeff Blake.

Thanks, I knew I was forgetting the third member of the '90s triumvirate of SU slayers.

At least Blake was NFL quality; Crandall & Barnette were CFL 4 life.

 

[OrangePA]

Also in that game P wasn't ready when NC St. went for the winning 2 pt. conversion

Didn't we end up winning nine games that year - eight in a row - with a trip to the Fiesta Bowl?

I just can't get that upset about an early season loss in OT to a pretty good NC State team.

 

[SkyTopBus44]

I remember being absolutely crushed after the NC State game. We had that game won. And we were looking at a Top 10 ranking.

That team should have been a 10+ win team. I long for 8-9 win seasons, but at the time it was so frustrating to never get over the hump.

Sad t)- McNabb never won 10 games at Cuse