SU leads NCAA in two categories...

[cto]

Syracuse enters Tuesday’s game as the NCAA leader in steals (12.5 per game). The Orange are second nationally in turnover margin (+8.8 per game). (Per the Big East's daily stat compilations).

 

[AZOrange]

Syracuse enters Tuesday’s game as the NCAA leader in steals (12.5 per game). The Orange are second nationally in turnover margin (+8.8 per game). (Per the Big East's daily stat compilations).

Has Cuse ever had a squad that turned over/blocked shots at the clip this one does?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Has Cuse ever had a squad that turned over/blocked shots at the clip this one does?

Anyone who hasn't embraced our defense yet is missing the boat.

 

[moqui]

according to Pomeroy, SU is currently ranked in the top ten in the following measures:

• #1 in steal percentage
• #1 in offensive rebounding percentage
• #2 in turnover percentage
• #4 in block percentage
• #7 in adjusted offensive efficiency

Also, just outside the top ten in adjusted defensive efficiency, at #11

And, as a curiosity, Pomeroy has compiled data on team height. SU is the 4th tallest team in the nation, with an average height of 78.8 inches, and 8th in "effective height" (which is explained in this old blog post)

 

[Rocco]

What is steal, turnover and block percentage and how are they calculated?

 

[RoysRunts]

If those stats stay relatively close the whole season Dial Area code 504

 

[jimsonjunction]

Great stats.

I think this has to do with our depth more than anything. With so many mouths to feed, this team is really hungry. As soon as someone enters the game, we're getting maximum effort on defense... something that happens when you are easily replaced. It's a super-aggressive zone so far and everyone's looking for an extra possession or opportunity to get an easy bucket.

 

[NKR1978]

according to Pomeroy, SU is currently ranked in the top ten in the following measures:

• #1 in steal percentage
• #1 in offensive rebounding percentage
• #2 in turnover percentage
• #4 in block percentage
• #7 in adjusted offensive efficiency

Also, just outside the top ten in adjusted defensive efficiency, at #11

And, as a curiosity, Pomeroy has compiled data on team height. SU is the 4th tallest team in the nation, with an average height of 78.8 inches, and 8th in "effective height" (which is explained in this old blog post)

Our passive, sit back and wait defense strikes again.

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[moqui]

What is steal, turnover and block percentage and how are they calculated?

they are pace-independent measures

in this case (there is also an offensive TO percentage), the TO percentage is the percentage of times an opponent's possession ends in a turnover - for SU, 30.2% of opponents' possessions end in a turnover

steal pct = steals/defensive possessions
TO pct = turnovers/defensive possessions
block pct = blocks/defensive possessions

on the offensive side of the ball, SU turns the ball over on just 17.6% of possessions - noticeably lower than the national average of 21.3% and good for 42nd in the nation

yes, "defensive possession" is an oxymoron, but you get the point

 

[Knicks411]

Believe block% is actually blocks divided by 2 point field goals taken? Or did they change it?

 

[moqui]

Believe block% is actually blocks divided by 2 point field goals taken? Or did they change it?

you are probably right; I just dashed that off without thinking too much about it

 

[Niastri]

What is steal, turnover and block percentage and how are they calculated?

All of them are a % of the number of opponent possessions that end in one of the above. Suppose the other team has 100 possessions in a game (a very fast pace, 12 seconds per possession all game long), and during those 100 possessions we force 20 turnovers, 15 of them on steals, and block 10 shots in that game. We have a 20 TurnOver%, 15 Steal%, and 10 Block %. That adds up to 30% of possessions destroyed by our defense. That doesn't count shots missed not by blocks. If they hit a great 50% of their shots that weren't blocked, they have been productive on 35% of their possessions. If all of our opponent's successful possessions are three pointers or three point plays, that still is only 1.05 points per possession. Obviously, this is very rarely true, and Syracuse NEVER allows 50% makes on threes.

So, you can see how the different numbers come together. Syracuse being top 10 in TO% and Block% both means we have absolutely dominated the teams we have played. If we end the season with such great percentages, we will probably be undefeated.

 

[Rocco]

they are pace-independent measures

in this case (there is also an offensive TO percentage), the TO percentage is the percentage of times an opponent's possession ends in a turnover - for SU, 30.2% of opponents' possessions end in a turnover

steal pct = steals/defensive possessions
TO pct = turnovers/defensive possessions
block pct = blocks/defensive possessions

on the offensive side of the ball, SU turns the ball over on just 17.6% of possessions - noticeably lower than the national average of 21.3% and good for 42nd in the nation

yes, "defensive possession" is an oxymoron, but you get the point

Gotcha, thanks boss.

 

[Niastri]

Believe block% is actually blocks divided by 2 point field goals taken? Or did they change it?

Hmm, most threes aren't blocked, but it seems somehow to not measure what it says it measures if only two point field goals count...

What is our Block% anyway?

 

[NYCSUGrad]

Anyone who hasn't embraced our defense yet is missing the boat.

Blue curtain probably isn't he recently posted about how we really should have 3 losses already. Then there's igor. Who may come out and shout about dino ball the first time we lose. Can't think of any other consistent gloom and doomers. (predicting 6 losses doesn't count in my book)

 

[Knicks411]

Hmm, most threes aren't blocked, but it seems somehow to not measure what it says it measures if only two point field goals count...

What is our Block% anyway?

I forget the rationale, I guess because most 3's aren't blocked, like you said. (Hakim Warrick says hey).

It might stand to m ake us look a little better, since, we allow so many 3's. Our block% is like 22.1% I believe.

 

[BoomStickO]

Has Cuse ever had a squad that turned over/blocked shots at the clip this one does?

I believe SU's vaunted zone is a continuation of the 09-10 team's legacy. Remember how nasty Rautins was at the top of the zone? He and his compadres in Johnson, Scoop, etc... were awesome. Their mindsets have rubbed off.

 

[Niastri]

It is definitely only 2 point fg, and our season % is 51 block out of 240 2 pt fg attempts = 21.3 Block%. An all shots Block % would be 12.1%. I think it is much more useful to include all shot attempts, since a team like Syracuse forces a higher percentage of shots from outside the arc than most teams. 43.1% of all our opponents shots have been from 3pt range this season. Plus, how many blocks have we gotten on three point attempts this year? I can think of at least three.

 

[007]

according to Pomeroy, SU is currently ranked in the top ten in the following measures:

• #1 in steal percentage
• #1 in offensive rebounding percentage
• #2 in turnover percentage
• #4 in block percentage
• #7 in adjusted offensive efficiency

Also, just outside the top ten in adjusted defensive efficiency, at #11

And, as a curiosity, Pomeroy has compiled data on team height. SU is the 4th tallest team in the nation, with an average height of 78.8 inches, and 8th in "effective height" (which is explained in this old blog post)

Thanks for posting.

I am most impressed by the steal and O rebounding rankings. It speaks to team speed/anticipation in addition to that "length." At the end of the season, I think the offensive efficiency will be THE telling factor in how successful the season will be. The D will be great all year.

 

[moqui]

Has Cuse ever had a squad that turned over/blocked shots at the clip this one does?

that is two different questions

as Knicks411 pointed out recently, Syracuse annually ranks among the very top teams in blocked shot percentage. This is the 3rd consecutive season that SU has ranked in the top 10 in steals percentage, but prior to 09-10, SU only cracked the top 50 one other time (05-06, 31st). The Orange are usually in the 50 to 100 range (of ~340 D1 teams).

However, even with the the high steals/blocks rankings of the past two years, this is the first time in Pomeroy's 10 year database that SU has ever been in the Top 50 of overall turnover percentage. The difference is that, while prior teams were opportunistic in getting steals and blocks to start the break, this year's edition has - so far - excelled in also producing a lot of dead ball turnovers - travels, charges, shot clock violations, bad passes that go out of bounds. I don't know of any database available to back it up, but my first impression guess is that charges taken has been a big factor in that thus far, with Fab being a noticeable contributor. He is really turning into a very good zone defender.

 

[AZOrange]

that is two different questions

as Knicks411 pointed out recently, Syracuse annually ranks among the very top teams in blocked shot percentage. This is the 3rd consecutive season that SU has ranked in the top 10 in steals percentage, but prior to 09-10, SU only cracked the top 50 one other time (05-06, 31st). The Orange are usually in the 50 to 100 range (of ~340 D1 teams).

However, even with the the high steals/blocks rankings of the past two years, this is the first time in Pomeroy's 10 year database that SU has ever been in the Top 50 of overall turnover percentage. The difference is that, while prior teams were opportunistic in getting steals and blocks to start the break, this year's edition has - so far - excelled in also producing a lot of dead ball turnovers - travels, charges, shot clock violations, bad passes that go out of bounds. I don't know of any database available to back it up, but my first impression guess is that charges taken has been a big factor in that thus far, with Fab being a noticeable contributor. He is really turning into a very good zone defender.

They all seem to take charges. I have seen Baye, Triche and Fair on the ground alot too!

 

[Niastri]

Who would have thought the new rules would cause Syracuse to take more charges?

 

[moqui]

They all seem to take charges. I have seen Baye, Triche and Fair on the ground alot too!

it has definitely been a team effort, but I think Fab has been noticeable in the number of charges he has taken, especially compared to last year when he was consistently called for fouls.

Who would have thought the new rules would cause Syracuse to take more charges?

one wonders if the staff intentionally coached them up on how to effectively use the arc?

 

[The General]

Our guards really cause problems for teams. Active hands, big guys, forcing shooters out. If Scoop was the weak link, he sure didnt show it vs. Florida. Those were clean, one on one, pocket picks. Dion is very active and harasses, BT uses that wide frame and MCW's length could lead him to one day being the best of them all.

Very impressed with Melo on D. He loves taking those charges. Watch how enthustiastic he is after. Loves blocking shots. His defensive rebounding still not great but overall his court instincts are improving as is his confidence. He's our best guy at drawing charges.

Last year we wanted Melo to be Forth. Just don't bring your arms down, stand straight, don't foul. Forth mastered that. He has moved past that point. He's an athletic defender.

I know we haven't played a BE game but I think he's got a good chance at most improved and maybe best defensive player. Long way to go of course but I bet he's in convo for both. Wait, do they do most improved anymore?

 

[bballbeadle]

What does this all mean??? Does it mean that we are actually (ulp!) good? For really and for true?

I will say this. I don't have that worried feeling in the pit of my stomach like I did last year at this time.