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[PhatOrange]

I tend to agree that the criticism of Garrett is over the top and unfair.

I think pretty much everyone agrees Eric Dungey is our gold standards for dual threat QBs and if Garrett, or anyone else really, was able to match what Eric did, we would think they are awesome.

Here is a comparison of how Eric and Garrett did their sophomore seasons.

Name	Passes	Completed	Pct	TDs	Interceptions	Yards	Avg Yards/Catch	Rushes	Yards	Avg Yards/Carry	TDs
Eric Dungey	230​	355​	0.647887​	15​	7​	2679​	7.5465​	125​	293​	2.344​	6​
Garrett Shrader	123​	234​	0.525641​	9​	4​	1445​	6.1752​	173​	781​	4.5145​	14​

Eric threw the ball a lot more and completed a significantly higher percentage of his passes. Garrett has to do better here but I think a good OC and better OL and WR play can help him out a lot. There wasn't time for pass plays to develop

Their rushing totals include sacks but I didn't have sack numbers for either and couldn't account for this. I think the OL was bad for both QBs but worse for Garrett. I don't have the number of sacks and yards lost for each but I do have this:

In 2016, the OL gave up 16 sacks for 112 yards.
In 2021, the OL gave up 37 sacks for 237 yards.

There is some pretty strong evidence here that the pass protection in 2021 was a lot worse than in 2016.

All that said, Garrett ran the ball a lot more and got a lot more yardage and a lot more TDs than Eric did.

It should be noted that Garrett had Sean Tucker playing RB. Sean was a lot more successful than Strickland and Neal were at RB for Eric in 2016. Strickland only averaged 3.5 ypc. Neal was a lot better at 5.3 but between them, they only had 933 yards rushing.

A stronger rushing attack helped Garrett some as defenses had to key on Sean, particularly with his rushing number but it might have hurt his numbers, particularly his passing numbers, as Sean ran the ball a lot and this reduced the number of throws Garrett was able to make.

It should also be noted that the 2016 team had 4 solid WRs in Etta-Tawo, Philips, Ishmael and Estime. Probably our best grouping at WR in the Babers era.

Individual Receiving Statistics Syracuse 2016

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
7	Etta-Tawo, Amba	12	94	1482	15.77	14	81	123.50
3	Philips, Ervin	12	90	822	9.13	6	58	68.50
8	Ishmael, Steve	11	48	559	11.65	1	39	50.82
1	Estime, Brisly	12	48	518	10.79	3	84	43.17

This might be the biggest single difference in the tool each QB had to work with.

Here are the top four receivers Garrett had in 2021:

Individual Receiving Statistics

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
85	Jackson, Courtney	12	37	389	10.51	3	29	32.42
34	Tucker, Sean	12	20	255	12.75	2	72	21.25
82	Alford, Damien	12	13	249	19.15	2	73	20.75
14	Queeley, Anthony	12	15	222	14.80	2	30	18.50

So all 4 of Eric's top WRs had better numbers than the best WR Garrett had to work with.

I think we can all agree that Garrett did not have the same level of WRs to throw to in 2021.

My guess is that if Garrett had the OL and WRs Eric had, his passing numbers would be a lot closer to the numbers Eric put up in 2016. Quite sure he would have thrown the ball more, had more completions and a higher completion percentage.

I am not saying Garrett was as good as Eric as a sophomore. But I will say I think if the play calling, the WR play and the OL pass blocking all improve somewhat, along with his mechanics and his health, there is reason to think Garrett can put up some excellent numbers in 2022.

It's the 52% that stands out. He was equal to or below Troy Nunes, RJ Anderson and Andrew Robinson as sophomores. I posted the comparison in another thread. The rushing stats are great but if the tradeoff is always being banged up (much like Dungey) then we have to find a middle ground.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

In ‘66, I had to go out on the roof to shovel it off. In ‘93 we got a lot of snow in a 24 hour period. 43” as I remember. I needed milk and after digging out my car I called Wegmans to see if they were open. They were, and I asked when they were closing. “Christmas” was the answer.

I remember that ‘93 “microburst”. Business let people out early. (Huge mistake in hindsight. Clogged the streets.) My wife (an RN) was mandated to stay at work. My kids were in daycare up by SU. It took me over 3 hours to drive from Baldwinsville to get them. We stayed overnight at the University Sheraton. My wife arrived about 2:00 AM. Crazy night.

 

[Bayside44]

That was a really good story about the two guys from the perspective of Bronco.

Very impressive read. The whole RA / Beck working ahead 2 plays thing, you think that can solve some end of half and game issues.

 

[Chip]

Very impressive read. The whole RA / Beck working ahead 2 plays thing, you think that can solve some end of half and game issues.

I would hope, and expect, that Dino would leverage this the same way that Bronco did.

It's been one of the missing pieces in the process.

 

[David332]

Personally I’d be heart broken if GS isn’t our QB1 for the next couple of years; he is a legitimate scrambling QB and despite what some say, he does in fact have an arm. Give him some strong coaching, better play calling, protection and WRs who run their routes and see what happens. The man has heart.

 

[Xanadu]

Give me a break. I guess we aren’t allowed to have any thoughts or opinions on politics too since most of us have never been a politician.

That's not what I am saying. You can have an opinion, but some of the H0T Takes by people on here have been devoid of reality. Many of those people have attitudes that would suggest they know something more about the game than the coaches and the many posters on here that do coach and have played despite the fact they never played past HS and have never coached.

The only thing worse than a pundit is a pundit who very clearly has no idea what they talking about or has an agenda. That's what I am saying.

 

[Hoo's That]

We don't want them to have any film on us. That'll really mess them up.

Not a worry for us. We already have the playbook.

 

[Cuseregular]

Well, the fact that Dino literally said when he walked up to him on the field after the hit that GS was struggling to breath and choking was the first indication.

The second indication was that he literally was a completely different player after that game, his throws were off, etc but because he’s an absolute warrior continued to play.

If you watched him between the plays he was generally walking and moving around tenderly, started to be slower getting up off of the field etc. all the stuff that they don’t show on TV.

Was shocked he was able to even finish a few of those games

Yep by some in the know too (cough, parents).

That's not what I am saying. You can have an opinion, but some of the H0T Takes by people on here have been devoid of reality. Many of those people have attitudes that would suggest they know something more about the game than the coaches and the many posters on here that do coach and have played despite the fact they never played past HS and have never coached.

The only thing worse than a pundit is a pundit who very clearly has no idea what they talking about or has an agenda. That's what I am saying.

egggxactly, well said.

 

[orangepassion]

I tend to agree that the criticism of Garrett is over the top and unfair.

I think pretty much everyone agrees Eric Dungey is our gold standards for dual threat QBs and if Garrett, or anyone else really, was able to match what Eric did, we would think they are awesome.

Here is a comparison of how Eric and Garrett did their sophomore seasons.

Name	Passes	Completed	Pct	TDs	Interceptions	Yards	Avg Yards/Catch	Rushes	Yards	Avg Yards/Carry	TDs
Eric Dungey	230​	355​	0.647887​	15​	7​	2679​	7.5465​	125​	293​	2.344​	6​
Garrett Shrader	123​	234​	0.525641​	9​	4​	1445​	6.1752​	173​	781​	4.5145​	14​

Eric threw the ball a lot more and completed a significantly higher percentage of his passes. Garrett has to do better here but I think a good OC and better OL and WR play can help him out a lot. There wasn't time for pass plays to develop

Their rushing totals include sacks but I didn't have sack numbers for either and couldn't account for this. I think the OL was bad for both QBs but worse for Garrett. I don't have the number of sacks and yards lost for each but I do have this:

In 2016, the OL gave up 16 sacks for 112 yards.
In 2021, the OL gave up 37 sacks for 237 yards.

There is some pretty strong evidence here that the pass protection in 2021 was a lot worse than in 2016.

All that said, Garrett ran the ball a lot more and got a lot more yardage and a lot more TDs than Eric did.

It should be noted that Garrett had Sean Tucker playing RB. Sean was a lot more successful than Strickland and Neal were at RB for Eric in 2016. Strickland only averaged 3.5 ypc. Neal was a lot better at 5.3 but between them, they only had 933 yards rushing.

A stronger rushing attack helped Garrett some as defenses had to key on Sean, particularly with his rushing number but it might have hurt his numbers, particularly his passing numbers, as Sean ran the ball a lot and this reduced the number of throws Garrett was able to make.

It should also be noted that the 2016 team had 4 solid WRs in Etta-Tawo, Philips, Ishmael and Estime. Probably our best grouping at WR in the Babers era.

Individual Receiving Statistics Syracuse 2016

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
7	Etta-Tawo, Amba	12	94	1482	15.77	14	81	123.50
3	Philips, Ervin	12	90	822	9.13	6	58	68.50
8	Ishmael, Steve	11	48	559	11.65	1	39	50.82
1	Estime, Brisly	12	48	518	10.79	3	84	43.17

This might be the biggest single difference in the tool each QB had to work with.

Here are the top four receivers Garrett had in 2021:

Individual Receiving Statistics

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
85	Jackson, Courtney	12	37	389	10.51	3	29	32.42
34	Tucker, Sean	12	20	255	12.75	2	72	21.25
82	Alford, Damien	12	13	249	19.15	2	73	20.75
14	Queeley, Anthony	12	15	222	14.80	2	30	18.50

So all 4 of Eric's top WRs had better numbers than the best WR Garrett had to work with.

I think we can all agree that Garrett did not have the same level of WRs to throw to in 2021.

My guess is that if Garrett had the OL and WRs Eric had, his passing numbers would be a lot closer to the numbers Eric put up in 2016. Quite sure he would have thrown the ball more, had more completions and a higher completion percentage.

I am not saying Garrett was as good as Eric as a sophomore. But I will say I think if the play calling, the WR play and the OL pass blocking all improve somewhat, along with his mechanics and his health, there is reason to think Garrett can put up some excellent numbers in 2022.

The biggest difference between Dungey and Shrader to me is accuracy on the deep ball. Dungey's deep ball accuracy was very underrated. Until Shrader shows opponents he can make them pay with the deep ball, they will continue to play the receivers very tight and sit on the short passes.

 

[SUbear]

It's the 52% that stands out. He was equal to or below Troy Nunes, RJ Anderson and Andrew Robinson as sophomores. I posted the comparison in another thread. The rushing stats are great but if the tradeoff is always being banged up (much like Dungey) then we have to find a middle ground.

Your concept is based on him being hurt by running the ball, the fact was his worst injury was on a pass play.

 

[JRHEETER]

Yep by some in the know too (cough, parents).

That's not what I am saying. You can have an opinion, but some of the H0T Takes by people on here have been devoid of reality. Many of those people have attitudes that would suggest they know something more about the game than the coaches and the many posters on here that do coach and have played despite the fact they never played past HS and have never coached.

egggxactly, well said.

I do like the Shrader family.

Good people. Good family.

Fun fact, GS still owns his manual transmission 1998 Dodge Ram single cab.

He also has NO SOCIAL media.

Just a small town guy

 

[Moontan]

Just a small town guy

Who can fly an airplane.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I tend to agree that the criticism of Garrett is over the top and unfair.

I think pretty much everyone agrees Eric Dungey is our gold standards for dual threat QBs and if Garrett, or anyone else really, was able to match what Eric did, we would think they are awesome.

Here is a comparison of how Eric and Garrett did their sophomore seasons.

Name	Passes	Completed	Pct	TDs	Interceptions	Yards	Avg Yards/Catch	Rushes	Yards	Avg Yards/Carry	TDs
Eric Dungey	230​	355​	0.647887​	15​	7​	2679​	7.5465​	125​	293​	2.344​	6​
Garrett Shrader	123​	234​	0.525641​	9​	4​	1445​	6.1752​	173​	781​	4.5145​	14​

Eric threw the ball a lot more and completed a significantly higher percentage of his passes. Garrett has to do better here but I think a good OC and better OL and WR play can help him out a lot. There wasn't time for pass plays to develop

Their rushing totals include sacks but I didn't have sack numbers for either and couldn't account for this. I think the OL was bad for both QBs but worse for Garrett. I don't have the number of sacks and yards lost for each but I do have this:

In 2016, the OL gave up 16 sacks for 112 yards.
In 2021, the OL gave up 37 sacks for 237 yards.

There is some pretty strong evidence here that the pass protection in 2021 was a lot worse than in 2016.

All that said, Garrett ran the ball a lot more and got a lot more yardage and a lot more TDs than Eric did.

It should be noted that Garrett had Sean Tucker playing RB. Sean was a lot more successful than Strickland and Neal were at RB for Eric in 2016. Strickland only averaged 3.5 ypc. Neal was a lot better at 5.3 but between them, they only had 933 yards rushing.

A stronger rushing attack helped Garrett some as defenses had to key on Sean, particularly with his rushing number but it might have hurt his numbers, particularly his passing numbers, as Sean ran the ball a lot and this reduced the number of throws Garrett was able to make.

It should also be noted that the 2016 team had 4 solid WRs in Etta-Tawo, Philips, Ishmael and Estime. Probably our best grouping at WR in the Babers era.

Individual Receiving Statistics Syracuse 2016

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
7	Etta-Tawo, Amba	12	94	1482	15.77	14	81	123.50
3	Philips, Ervin	12	90	822	9.13	6	58	68.50
8	Ishmael, Steve	11	48	559	11.65	1	39	50.82
1	Estime, Brisly	12	48	518	10.79	3	84	43.17

This might be the biggest single difference in the tool each QB had to work with.

Here are the top four receivers Garrett had in 2021:

Individual Receiving Statistics

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
85	Jackson, Courtney	12	37	389	10.51	3	29	32.42
34	Tucker, Sean	12	20	255	12.75	2	72	21.25
82	Alford, Damien	12	13	249	19.15	2	73	20.75
14	Queeley, Anthony	12	15	222	14.80	2	30	18.50

So all 4 of Eric's top WRs had better numbers than the best WR Garrett had to work with.

I think we can all agree that Garrett did not have the same level of WRs to throw to in 2021.

My guess is that if Garrett had the OL and WRs Eric had, his passing numbers would be a lot closer to the numbers Eric put up in 2016. Quite sure he would have thrown the ball more, had more completions and a higher completion percentage.

I am not saying Garrett was as good as Eric as a sophomore. But I will say I think if the play calling, the WR play and the OL pass blocking all improve somewhat, along with his mechanics and his health, there is reason to think Garrett can put up some excellent numbers in 2022.

Interesting… if Dungey is the gold standard for dual threat at Syracuse, what does that make McNabb? Donovan McNabb College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

 

[money3189]

I tend to agree that the criticism of Garrett is over the top and unfair.

I think pretty much everyone agrees Eric Dungey is our gold standards for dual threat QBs and if Garrett, or anyone else really, was able to match what Eric did, we would think they are awesome.

Here is a comparison of how Eric and Garrett did their sophomore seasons.

Name	Passes	Completed	Pct	TDs	Interceptions	Yards	Avg Yards/Catch	Rushes	Yards	Avg Yards/Carry	TDs
Eric Dungey	230​	355​	0.647887​	15​	7​	2679​	7.5465​	125​	293​	2.344​	6​
Garrett Shrader	123​	234​	0.525641​	9​	4​	1445​	6.1752​	173​	781​	4.5145​	14​

Eric threw the ball a lot more and completed a significantly higher percentage of his passes. Garrett has to do better here but I think a good OC and better OL and WR play can help him out a lot. There wasn't time for pass plays to develop

Their rushing totals include sacks but I didn't have sack numbers for either and couldn't account for this. I think the OL was bad for both QBs but worse for Garrett. I don't have the number of sacks and yards lost for each but I do have this:

In 2016, the OL gave up 16 sacks for 112 yards.
In 2021, the OL gave up 37 sacks for 237 yards.

There is some pretty strong evidence here that the pass protection in 2021 was a lot worse than in 2016.

All that said, Garrett ran the ball a lot more and got a lot more yardage and a lot more TDs than Eric did.

It should be noted that Garrett had Sean Tucker playing RB. Sean was a lot more successful than Strickland and Neal were at RB for Eric in 2016. Strickland only averaged 3.5 ypc. Neal was a lot better at 5.3 but between them, they only had 933 yards rushing.

A stronger rushing attack helped Garrett some as defenses had to key on Sean, particularly with his rushing number but it might have hurt his numbers, particularly his passing numbers, as Sean ran the ball a lot and this reduced the number of throws Garrett was able to make.

It should also be noted that the 2016 team had 4 solid WRs in Etta-Tawo, Philips, Ishmael and Estime. Probably our best grouping at WR in the Babers era.

Individual Receiving Statistics Syracuse 2016

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
7	Etta-Tawo, Amba	12	94	1482	15.77	14	81	123.50
3	Philips, Ervin	12	90	822	9.13	6	58	68.50
8	Ishmael, Steve	11	48	559	11.65	1	39	50.82
1	Estime, Brisly	12	48	518	10.79	3	84	43.17

This might be the biggest single difference in the tool each QB had to work with.

Here are the top four receivers Garrett had in 2021:

Individual Receiving Statistics

#	Player	GP	NO	YDS	AVG	TD	Long	AVG/G
85	Jackson, Courtney	12	37	389	10.51	3	29	32.42
34	Tucker, Sean	12	20	255	12.75	2	72	21.25
82	Alford, Damien	12	13	249	19.15	2	73	20.75
14	Queeley, Anthony	12	15	222	14.80	2	30	18.50

So all 4 of Eric's top WRs had better numbers than the best WR Garrett had to work with.

I think we can all agree that Garrett did not have the same level of WRs to throw to in 2021.

My guess is that if Garrett had the OL and WRs Eric had, his passing numbers would be a lot closer to the numbers Eric put up in 2016. Quite sure he would have thrown the ball more, had more completions and a higher completion percentage.

I am not saying Garrett was as good as Eric as a sophomore. But I will say I think if the play calling, the WR play and the OL pass blocking all improve somewhat, along with his mechanics and his health, there is reason to think Garrett can put up some excellent numbers in 2022.

Good work Suto. I apprecciate the in depth analysis. Im not saying that JS is going to be this 300 yard passer but he will improve with this new staff. His skill set has too much potential to give up on. If the staff get to the end of spring and dont feel good about his throwing I can see them bringing in a transfer and telling JS that its an open competiton. I just feel like this staff will make sure they have what they need at the QB position to win games.

 

[bnoro]

I have a weird quirk for recalling the unfair takes on here and though I’m not 100% certain, I’m fairly sure he was one of the TD apologists taking that to the hilt vs. GS, so any of those guys negative Shrader takes has an agenda behind it and need be taken with a grain of salt.

After the 741st negative Shrader take I finally felt inclined to chime in, kid deserves more respect. Here’s hoping he takes it up a notch or two over the next year.

Lol I defended Tommy because he wasn't as bad as some on here said he was. But there's no "agenda" to be right about one QB or another.

Fact of the matter is I can recall multiple plays this year where Shrader bounced a ball to a receiver's feet. Multiple plays where he threw the ball a few feet in front or behind an open reciever. Multiple plays where a guy was open and a bad throw meant we couldn't get a first down. With the type of high powered passing offense we have coming in, we should want a guy that can be accurate and make throws to open recievers.

He is a serviceable quarterback because of his running ability. He's a good steward of our program and seems to be a likeable guy.

It's like putting regular fuel in a premium car. It works, but you're not going to get the performance you want.

 

[sufandu]

Interesting… if Dungey is the gold standard for dual threat at Syracuse, what does that make McNabb? Donovan McNabb College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

McNabb was obviously the gold standard. Dungey is just more relevant and realistic to our current status.

 

[bnoro]

I put a lot more weight into what Anae/Beck think about Shrader and his viability than some condescending dork on a message board. So we’ll see how things progress. It’s probably still in their best interest to see what portal QB’s are available and fit because competition/depth is always good and we still have some unknowns on our depth chart.

You are also a "dork on a message board" so that's not quite the own you think it is.

 

[sutomcat]

Interesting… if Dungey is the gold standard for dual threat at Syracuse, what does that make McNabb? Donovan McNabb College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

I consider Donovan in the grey area between a pocket passer and a running QB. Probably more of a pocket passer.

He certainly could hurt you running the ball but he never even had 500 yards rushing in a season.

I think you need to get over 500 yards in a season to be a true dual threat.

But these distinctions are arbitrary and I am fine with you classifying him this way. I think he would hate it but it is okay by me.

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[SUFan44]

Lol I defended Tommy because he wasn't as bad as some on here said he was. But there's no "agenda" to be right about one QB or another.

Fact of the matter is I can recall multiple plays this year where Shrader bounced a ball to a receiver's feet. Multiple plays where he threw the ball a few feet in front or behind an open reciever. Multiple plays where a guy was open and a bad throw meant we couldn't get a first down. With the type of high powered passing offense we have coming in, we should want a guy that can be accurate and make throws to open recievers.

He is a serviceable quarterback because of his running ability. He's a good steward of our program and seems to be a likeable guy.

It's like putting regular fuel in a premium car. It works, but you're not going to get the performance you want.

Tommy was not and is not a winning player. He did not make winning plays. He made losing plays.

For every one of Garrett Shrader's bounced throws, I can give to you an instance where TD stepped out of bounds before throwing it away, RAN out of bounds without throwing it away, or had no feel for pressure coming at him while in the pocket.

Shrader is not perfect - not even close. But he throws a decent looking ball and appears to have enough of an arm for most throws to be made at the college level. At least as good as Dungey's. He is not as bad as you are making him out to be. I'd also say Anae & Beck know who they are inheriting and what his level of ability is.

Tommy is a serviceable QB because of his throwing ability. I'm sure he was a good steward of the program and seems like a likeable guy (though his father certainly isn't).

However, the insistence that Shrader is not the answer because of a small sample size in a terrible offensive system with an extremely low capability level at WR is really questionable to me.

 

[sufandu]

I consider Donovan in the grey area between a pocket passer and a running QB. Probably more of a pocket passer.

He certainly could hurt you running the ball but he never even had 500 yards rushing in a season.

I think you need to get over 500 yards in a season to be a true dual threat.

But these distinctions are arbitrary and I am fine with you classifying him this way. I think he would hate it but it is okay by me.

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I think McNabb's rushing stats can't be compared to QBs from today. The offenses are so different. He'd run for way more today. Heck even his passing stats look pedestrian compared to today's.

 

[SUbear]

I consider Donovan in the grey area between a pocket passer and a running QB. Probably more of a pocket passer.

He certainly could hurt you running the ball but he never even had 500 yards rushing in a season.

I think you need to get over 500 yards in a season to be a true dual threat.

But these distinctions are arbitrary and I am fine with you classifying him this way. I think he would hate it but it is okay by me.

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My definition is more ability based than numbers based, A dual threat has the ability to hurt the defense with his feet if necessary, but still prefers to use his arm. A pocket passer needs max protection to function and has little to no ability to hurt the defense with a run.
McMabb certainly had that dual threat ability.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Apologies for continuing the thread derailment but I wanted to add one thing on the Shrader vs. Dungey comparison.

Shrader seems to be much more durable given the opportunities opposing teams have had to put big hits on him.

And he ate his fair share of them this year (most obviously being the VT game winning TD toss).

As much as I want a more accurate QB behind Center, I'll take a tough SOB who doesn't miss time despite getting beaten up.

Granted, Eric suffered a few cheap shots that helped put him on the bench but he was also hurdling and intentionally trucking dudes.

Perhaps Shrader is slightly more mature when running to avoid taking big shots. To me this is an overlooked part of his game. Pretty sure the biggest hits Shrader took were in the pocket on pass attempts.

 

[TexanMark]

Does anyone actually know why bronco resigned?

My guess in no particular order:

1. Burnout
2. Wife
3. Family Obligations

He has enough money to retire and retire well...some high achievers want to work till they drop in the same career and others work to a point and then pursue other passions.

 

[PhatOrange]

Your concept is based on him being hurt by running the ball, the fact was his worst injury was on a pass play.

if you believe that was his worst injury sure. people are promoting this injury narrative to justify how bad his passing is... but frankly everyone is speculating about his health. We all saw him take some big hits running the ball. Whether his first injury was from getting hit in the pocket doesn't matter when you take so many shots all game long every game.

If you're so hurt you can't make a routine pass then we need to go to another QB.

 

[Cusefan69]

Apologies for continuing the thread derailment but I wanted to add one thing on the Shrader vs. Dungey comparison.

Shrader seems to be much more durable given the opportunities opposing teams have had to put big hits on him.

And he ate his fair share of them this year (most obviously being the VT game winning TD toss).

As much as I want a more accurate QB behind Center, I'll take a tough SOB who doesn't miss time despite getting beaten up.

Granted, Eric suffered a few cheap shots that helped put him on the bench but he was also hurdling and intentionally trucking dudes.

Perhaps Shrader is slightly more mature when running to avoid taking big shots. To me this is an overlooked part of his game. Pretty sure the biggest hits Shrader took were in the pocket on pass attempts.

Definitely took shots in the pocket. People tend not to recall some of those things that can influence the outcome of plays as well. I do recall GS getting absolutely pasted I think against Pitt trying to turn upfield on the sideline. He certainly made some smart slide decisions but he also took some hits outside the pocket.