Syracuse football defensive tackle Steven Clark's career put in jeopardy by blood clots

[RF2044]

Well, if you count the WMU team doc, it's 4. And if you go back a few pages, you'll see that it quite likely is 5. DiFino was said to have changed his mind.

In light of all that, I'm curious what Dr. Tucker had to say during today's meeting. Wouldn't dream of asking you to share that with the board, because it isn't any of our business - but it seems almost impossible to believe. 3 specialists on record as disagreeing with the initial diagnosis. The doctor [taking what you say at face value] who's opinion was heavily factored into the initial diagnosis changing his opinion, based upon new information, but the GP disregards it all? And then another doctor clears him, as well?

Like I said, I'd be curious to hear the rationale behind that.

 

[Finwad32]

I don't understand the "I would have to live with this" line. You're not already "living with" taking away someone's passion/love/potential livelihood.

I guess I'd be interested to know how he'd "live" with another taking away his ability to practice in his prime with all evidence for that decision pointing to the contrary.

I really do think this is one of those rare occasions where people should rally to make their voices heard. You have an individual who's done all they can to overcome a situation the other party put them in just to be told no. It shouldn't be his decision.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Dino will be on the first train out of here if something doesn't change, and fast.

Simmer down, now.

 

[bcubs9497]

In light of all that, I'm curious what Dr. Tucker had to say during today's meeting. Wouldn't dream of asking you to share that with the board, because it isn't any of our business - but it seems almost impossible to believe. 3 specialists on record as disagreeing with the initial diagnosis. The doctor [taking what you say at face value] who's opinion was heavily factored into the initial diagnosis changing his opinion, based upon new information, but the GP disregards it all? And then another doctor clears him, as well?

Like I said, I'd be curious to hear the rationale behind that.

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[Alsacs]

In light of all that, I'm curious what Dr. Tucker had to say during today's meeting. Wouldn't dream of asking you to share that with the board, because it isn't any of our business - but it seems almost impossible to believe. 3 specialists on record as disagreeing with the initial diagnosis. The doctor [taking what you say at face value] who's opinion was heavily factored into the initial diagnosis changing his opinion, based upon new information, but the GP disregards it all? And then another doctor clears him, as well?

Like I said, I'd be curious to hear the rationale behind that.

My guess he told the kid even in light of new information his decision remained. I bet he didn't answer any direct answers and wished the kid the best in his future endeavors.

 

[JLine]

Simmer down, now.

It's not just this. They don't seem to care about doing everything possible to become a top 25 program. So many things thrown out there, and takes forever to get done.

We have a medical staff that puts a players health in jeopardy because of incompetence. It gets fixed, thank God, and they only care about their own ass.

Anyway, I'll be rooting for Steven wherever he ends up. Actually have a great friend who is a WMU alum, so I have always rooted for them. I know he would be thrilled if that's the landing spot.

 

[Alsacs]

Simmer down, now.

Dino isn't happy with this stuff. He is pissed at the incompetence behind the scenes.

This school should be doing everything to keep him happy. Instead our leadership isn't doing anything to fix this crap.

 

[RF2044]

My guess he told the kid even in light of new information his decision remained. I bet he didn't answer any direct answers and wished the kid the best in his future endeavors.

So option #1 [Tucker presented with medical evidence to the contrary, but disregarding it] or #2 [University sanctioned CYA irrespective of the medical evidence].

Both of which are very difficult to justify.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Dino isn't happy with this stuff. He is pissed at the incompetence behind the scenes.

This school should be doing everything to keep him happy. Instead our leadership isn't doing anything to fix this crap.

I'm sure Dino isn't happy about this. I'm not sure that's a fair statement about the leadership.

 

[Consigliere]

Well, if you count the WMU team doc, it's 4. And if you go back a few pages, you'll see that it quite likely is 5. DiFino was said to have changed his mind.

Missed that DiFino changed his position. That was the only shred of sanity left here. If Tucker was relying on the input of the one true expert he trusted the most I can understand a little. Don't necessarily agree as there are apparently multiple equally qualified experts who found differently, but can understand. But if DiFino even softened his position saying this is not a lifelong condition and the blood thinners could be discontinued in the short term, and if with that Tucker STILL stuck with the DQ, I am at a loss. So sorry for how this is turning out for your family, cubs. And embarrassed that my university has caused so much angst. Echo those wishing you and Steven the best wherever the road takes him.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm sure Dino isn't happy about this. I'm not sure that's a fair statement about the leadership.

When we announce some upgrades to facilities would help.

The passive continuing to study isn't helping. It's an arms race and we are already behind.

Adminstration needs to step up. This isn't a Wildhack thing either it's a Syverrud thing stepping up. The chancellor has gotten a big time honeymoon. It's on him now.

 

[Consigliere]

Certainly agree we have had an inordinate number of medical DQs but I'm struggling to come up with one who moved on and actually played high level college football at another school. Don't believe Long ever played at Wagner and I can't think of others - Marona, Arcienega, Johnson, Harris. Probably just drawing a blank and it means nothing here but I am stumped

 

[rrlbees]

I think it comes down to why he got the blood clots. That's causing them to be even more risk averse.

 

[RF2044]

I think it comes down to why he got the blood clots. That's causing them to be even more risk averse.

Very good point.

Unfortunately, a classic example of two wrongs not making a right.

 

[Finwad32]

I think it comes down to why he got the blood clots. That's causing them to be even more risk averse.

Which is even more frustrating from my point of view. I fully comprehend it, I just hate it.

 

[kcsu]

Whit needs to grow a set and step up.

 

[sufandu]

What I find impossible to reconcile is how Dr. Tucker is disregarding the assessments of three specialists with more professional expertise in the medical domains that are relevant to this case.

I don't have first hand knowledge of what's going on behind closed doors here, not pretending to, but if their findings don't cast doubt on his original diagnosis, then his final disposition just appears stubborn.

And if his decision is based solely on covering the University / administration while disregarding pertinent medical information, then that is a pretty sorry outcome at the expense of Steven Clark.

I have a high level of skepticism over the third alternative--that a GP is right and three specialists practicing in that field are wrong.

The answer is actually pretty easy. He's digging in his heels. To clear SC is to say the university is at fault for his blood clots because of the knee brace. Instead, he shifts the blame to a genetic factor that experts say isn't a problem.

The MD that has the final say should not have any connection to the university, especially a financial one. That leaves him inherently biased.

 

[Alsacs]

Kyle Knapp left and went to play football at Western Michigan.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think it comes down to why he got the blood clots. That's causing them to be even more risk averse.

Which means it's time to hire a more competent medical staff from the top down.

 

[Alsacs]

People need to read this thread
Kyle Knapp

Go read the message from Knapp's father what a joke Tucker is. Same freaking thing.

God we run a chicken bleep organization.

 

[Alsacs]

This is 2 years old from former player Kyle Knapp who transferred to Western Michigan.

Read this.

orangeintheaccWalk On
Our family wanted to go quietly from SU, but this thread has my blood boiling. Kyle does in fact have parents, I happen to be his dad. Other than the obvious football stuff, Kyle and our family have had a great experience at SU. We've met a lot of great people - parents, faculty and fans that have welcomed us with open arms.

Just to set the record straight Kyle had 2 concussions - the "3rd" one that Tucker DQ'd him for was questionable -even Dr. Tucker wasn't sure about it. So no, he did not have anywhere near 7 concussions.
As far as I know, Dr. Tucker is a GP. He has the final say with regard to medical DQs. We asked and he would not allow us to get a second opinion from a neurologist or anyone else. In a phone call Dr. tucker said Kyle was done and that was it.

On our own dime we took Kyle to a concussion specialist at UPMC. He literally knew within 5 minutes what was wrong with him and he couldn't believe SU's people couldn't see it themselves. Kyle's eyes weren't converging which made him susceptible to getting concussions. 7 weeks of eye therapy later his baseline tests were back to normal or above. The Dr. At UPMC had zero qualms about Kyle playing again. neither did the other doctor we saw. Unfortunately, SU had already moved on.

Our family loves football, but we would never put his future at risk if we thought it was dangerous to his future. Kyle wanted to play for SU more than anything. I don't think he deserves some of the stupid crap in this thread.

 

[sufandu]

This is 2 years old from former player Kyle Knapp who transferred to Western Michigan.

Read this.

orangeintheaccWalk On
Our family wanted...

...Kyle wanted to play for SU more than anything. I don't think he deserves some of the stupid crap in this thread.

Wow. :bang:

 

[kcsu]

As some of you know my family is a long time supporter of the University and specifically the Athletic department. We have written the AD and have informed him of our disappointment with the medical staffs seemingly lack of competence. Suffice to say having a top shelf medical staff supporting our student athletes should be a given. The administration should perform a thorough review of the medical staff and our policies and decision making process. Until we receive a response from the administration we will be pulling our support.

Im appalled at the total lack of process and competence that our medical staff has demonstrated.

 

[Alsacs]

As some of you know my family is a long time supporter of the University and specifically the Athletic department. We have written the AD and have informed him of our disappointment with the medical staffs seemingly lack of competence. Suffice to say having a top shelf medical staff supporting our student athletes should be a given. The administration should perform a thorough review of the medical staff and our policies and decision making process. Until we receive a response from the administration we will be pulling our support.

Im appalled at the total lack of process and competence that our medical staff has demonstrated.

We gotta hit them in the wallets. I am no whale but I won't donate one cent to the AD until there is change. I already paid for season tickets but will not renew after the year if there isn't change.

This crap has to end now and it's on the chancellor.

 

[kcsu]

I believe that we should consider sending the administration a group correspondence.