Syracuse Parts Ways with Adrian Autry [Official]

[EnviroSciGuy]

Actually no hadn’t seen any of that, at least not paid attention to it.

As my posting volume here suggests just not in a place to be locked in on keeping up with it all, mostly I’m coming from a “pulse of the community” type frame of mind in addition to seeing a few interviews with BH.

As you know my 35 years private practice in healthcare here allows me to have a fairly good, albeit small, but I think, representative sampling of the community mindset.

Until last night, I’ve been keeping that perspective I’ve been hearing at arms length, not jumping on the Gerry train as of then. Last night caused a reanalysis of it all and here I am today.

I was feeling things last night, man.

 

[TommyA13]

Completely clearing house

 

[FrancoPizza]

So... Hopkins is out.

"National search" was also mentioned. It would tragically hilarious if the new AD caves to Hop given that language.

 

[LpoolNative]

Completely clearing house

BURN IT ALL DOWN BABYYY!!!! WOOOOO

 

[Oakland]

I'm wrong about things all the time, but I can say in good faith that the Autry hire felt awful to me from Day 1. It just felt like the laziest possible move we could have made. "Oh, well he's on campus and already here, let's just give him a chance and see what happens."

I had similar thoughts but felt he would do better than he did.

 

[FrancoPizza]

yes.. see my post about Gerry and words...

That's fine. Hop still doesn't fit that description. And that's what we are trying to avoid.

 

[Maxsumm]

there are specific criteria here layed out:
1. Recruit at the highest level- eliminates GMAc he was a notoriously unsuccessful recruiter under the old non NIL rulles
2. Proven winner-eliminates Hopkins he did not win in his only head coach gig

We’ll see if these requirements because twisted bc they are hell bent on picking someone from SU

Note: familiarity with SU and tradition was not listed

 

[wiseman3]

If you are going by the term proven winner, all of the current candidates should be out including Baby Shark

Going by your logic, this would have also disqualified the following coaches from a lower level moving to a power school:

Coach K (Army)
Bill Self (Tulsa)
Jim Calhoun (Northeastern)
Jerry Tarkanian (Long Beach State)
Billy Donovan (Marshall)
Todd Golden (San Francisco)
Dusty May (FAU)
Jay Wright (Hofstra)
John Calipari (UMass)
Jim Larranaga (George Mason)
Bruce Pearl (Milwaukee)

etc etc etc...

The list is literally endless for mid-major coaches who have been winners at their schools, then made final fours/won championships at a power school.

Hodgson and Schertz are PROVEN winners

 

[FrancoPizza]

mostly from this perspective. We'd likely be a stepping stone to an outsider like this. That's if he can negotiate the battlefield of a strange new place with serious limits competitive wise with NIL, etc. and have success. He'd be looked at from day one with a critical skeptical eye by the Syracuse fan base with its notorious show me success first attitude before buying in.

The fear is if they don't give GMAC a look, a revered legend in these parts, there'd likely be the same reaction in response to the stupid decision of putting the baseball stadium where it is vs downtown. IOW people angry/upset and staying away just for spite, not buying in.

Also Not sure his affect/personality is a fit here either, regardless we're still taking a chance with this type mid level, albeit successful coach. As RF20 pointed out successfully in detail, there absolutely NO QUESTION who resume is better and looks better. But there's now some nuance that need be put into the mix given what Gerry accomplished literally last night.

And listen they’re gonna be a 16 seed vs a 1 so no one should expect with a 7 man roster for them to pull an upset so jumping ahead to cut it off before it comes to pass, that isn’t and shouldn’t be a factor.
But the bigger picture over two seasons should be and what happened last night should be too. To the poster saying it doesn't make sense to see how one game should matter in this assessment makes no sense, none. It happened.

He took a doormat to success very very quickly. To not pay attention to that given the unique variables at play (historic syracuse legend, likely lifer with success) is antithetical to due diligence required on this very precarious situation here now that is Syracuse basketball.
The world didn't exactly shift on it axis because of last night, but it did shift, and should shift, as a factor for the hiring of a basketball coach at Syracuse University.

As mentioned elsewhere this is a lightning in the bottle now unique situation the way all the planets have just aligned. Day one a GMAC tenure would have record number of us getting seasons tickets back and others going in first time jumping on the Gerry train.

The excitement meter for the fanbase would be immediately and ridiculously high off the charts with a true circle the wagons underdog us against the world mentality with everyone around here all in. We saw a kid mature as a player to immediate and nonstop success albeit different type of success taking the reins once Carmello left. And now have seen a man start maturing as a coach with likely more maturation and success as a coach.

And with success he'd likely be a lifer here vs. the USF coach who would likely use us as a stepping stone to the next level. He overcame his physical limitations to have success as a player, I wouldn't bet against him doing the same here circumnavigating the formative obstacles here too to get us competitive and successful again, that I have no doubt (well if I'm being honest there's some doubt there given all the factors at play).

But If we can't get a top top level guy here (Wright, Pitino, etc) as a coach as then it's taking a chance no matter if it's GMAC or another mid level pick. Why not take a chance on a guy whose upside is as above with immediate upside payoff vs. a similarly chancey albeit good resume pick who also may or may not be successful here but who's payout to success comes (if it does at all) later.

That’s the best I got to explain it. No easy answers here but would hate to see us miss this very unique and pressing opportunity to at least have him in the mix of interviewing etc. just to be expedient on what looked 100% right with BH but before last night occurred.

Gerry would be a good candidate to consider if continuity made sense. Blame JB for destroying the program's legacy.

Because of that, Gerry has to prove he can stack up to any other up-and-coming coach. No more hometown bias. Go to an A-10 school. Hit it out of the park. And if he truly bleeds orange he'll come back in several years when BH is inevitably taken captive by the Columbian cartel.

 

[Cusefan69]

Appreciate the take as always. One thing about the support feature with Gerry is where are we as a fanbase in terms of connection to the past. I’m not certain we can make the argument one way or the other with any certainty so while your point is fair that maybe he fires up the fanbase it’s fair to be skeptical that folks may still be lukewarm about another Cuse hire even someone like GMac.

That said it’s not at all controversial Gerry deserves a good look and hopefully has gotten one given things are likely progressing past what was already happening.

Good stuff and while I might not see eye to eye I do get where you are coming from and appreciate the response. We should know soon hopefully.

You get a like for being open to different opinions and while not agreeing you are not a dick about it.

 

[Irt4su]

is the little strength coach gone too?

 

[LAorange44]

Going by your logic, this would have also disqualified the following coaches from a lower level moving to a power school:

Coach K (Army)
Bill Self (Tulsa)
Jim Calhoun (Northeastern)
Jerry Tarkanian (Long Beach State)
Billy Donovan (Marshall)
Todd Golden (San Francisco)
Dusty May (FAU)
Jay Wright (Hofstra)
John Calipari (UMass)
Jim Larranaga (George Mason)
Bruce Pearl (Milwaukee)

etc etc etc...

The list is literally endless for mid-major coaches who have been winners at their schools, then made final fours/won championships at a power school.

Hodgson and Schertz are PROVEN winners

So are Gerry and Hop then

 

[Oakland]

No doubt Red had his shortcomings as a head coach. Took awhile to understand the demands of new NIL era, which he’s admitted to. To me he coached like a young player where the game is moving a bit too fast for them. He probably would’ve benefitted with head coaching experience at a lower level elsewhere before getting the SU job.

The collapse this year was not nearly all on him though. Somewhere around the BC loss many of the players stopped competing at the level they had early on like they did in the Houston game. The lack of effort was obvious, and I don’t care who the coach is. At this level, and especially now getting paid like they do, it was just pathetic.

I give Red a lot of credit for never losing his cool on the court or with the media. He’s a really good dude and was a great player and assistant coach for Cuse, just didn’t work out as head coach.

Despite the many claims that the players didn't try hard, I disagree.

 

[Widget24]

is the little strength coach gone too?

Rob Harris? Yes. Sounds like a total house cleaning.

 

[RF2044]

There's an old saying --- "Don't be the first guy to follow a legend, be the second guy"

"...especially when you are totally unqualified for the job."

 

[RF2044]

mostly from this perspective. We'd likely be a stepping stone to an outsider like this. That's if he can negotiate the battlefield of a strange new place with serious limits competitive wise with NIL, etc. and have success. He'd be looked at from day one with a critical skeptical eye by the Syracuse fan base with its notorious show me success first attitude before buying in.

The fear is if they don't give GMAC a look, a revered legend in these parts, there'd likely be the same reaction in response to the stupid decision of putting the baseball stadium where it is vs downtown. IOW people angry/upset and staying away just for spite, not buying in.

Also Not sure his affect/personality is a fit here either, regardless we're still taking a chance with this type mid level, albeit successful coach. As RF20 pointed out successfully in detail, there absolutely NO QUESTION who resume is better and looks better. But there's now some nuance that need be put into the mix given what Gerry accomplished literally last night.

And listen they’re gonna be a 16 seed vs a 1 so no one should expect with a 7 man roster for them to pull an upset so jumping ahead to cut it off before it comes to pass, that isn’t and shouldn’t be a factor.
But the bigger picture over two seasons should be and what happened last night should be too. To the poster saying it doesn't make sense to see how one game should matter in this assessment makes no sense, none. It happened.

He took a doormat to success very very quickly. To not pay attention to that given the unique variables at play (historic syracuse legend, likely lifer with success) is antithetical to due diligence required on this very precarious situation here now that is Syracuse basketball.
The world didn't exactly shift on it axis because of last night, but it did shift, and should shift, as a factor for the hiring of a basketball coach at Syracuse University.

As mentioned elsewhere this is a lightning in the bottle now unique situation the way all the planets have just aligned. Day one a GMAC tenure would have record number of us getting seasons tickets back and others going in first time jumping on the Gerry train.

The excitement meter for the fanbase would be immediately and ridiculously high off the charts with a true circle the wagons underdog us against the world mentality with everyone around here all in. We saw a kid mature as a player to immediate and nonstop success albeit different type of success taking the reins once Carmello left. And now have seen a man start maturing as a coach with likely more maturation and success as a coach.

And with success he'd likely be a lifer here vs. the USF coach who would likely use us as a stepping stone to the next level. He overcame his physical limitations to have success as a player, I wouldn't bet against him doing the same here circumnavigating the formative obstacles here too to get us competitive and successful again, that I have no doubt (well if I'm being honest there's some doubt there given all the factors at play).

But If we can't get a top top level guy here (Wright, Pitino, etc) as a coach as then it's taking a chance no matter if it's GMAC or another mid level pick. Why not take a chance on a guy whose upside is as above with immediate upside payoff vs. a similarly chancey albeit good resume pick who also may or may not be successful here but who's payout to success comes (if it does at all) later.

That’s the best I got to explain it. No easy answers here but would hate to see us miss this very unique and pressing opportunity to at least have him in the mix of interviewing etc. just to be expedient on what looked 100% right with BH but before last night occurred.

I disagree with most of this, but always love seeing your well-thought out logic / opinions.

A rare occasion when we aren't on the same page [which is ALL GOOD].

 

[swish7]

Luke Murray has two National Championships as an assistant. Does that count as "a proven winner"?

Luke Murray is perhaps the most interesting name on the list. IMO.

 

[Orangezoo]

You get a like for being open to different opinions and while not agreeing you are not a dick about it.

Ty and I do try.. Mrs zoo would probably not agree lol

 

[Moontan]

Patterson was probably a bust, dude should have stayed and tried the Jessie Edwards path who Griff did land.

Jesse is moving on from Australia to Turkey.

 

[rocfan44]

Love this statement. Sounds like Hodgson or Schertz. Luke Murray’s name might be floated because he has a high ceiling and could have great success as a head coach, but I don’t see them taking the risk based on that statement of looking for a proven winner. And Hop feels like a non-starter if you say you’re looking for a proven winner.

Luke Murray would be like “groundhogs day”. Another first time head coach. That didn’t work out well before.

 

[Moontan]

Hop would be the fall back plan if we strike out with our first 5 choices including GMac

GMac has a stop to go before he can return... assuming it opens up in 4-10 years.
By then he may have moved on twice and built his own heritage.

 

[oldpinepoint]

GMac has a stop to go before he can return... assuming it opens up in 4-10 years.
By then he may have moved on twice and built his own heritage.

Agreedn

 

[Moontan]

BURN IT ALL DOWN BABYYY!!!! WOOOOO

 

[Moontan]

Going by your logic, this would have also disqualified the following coaches from a lower level moving to a power school:

Coach K (Army)
Bill Self (Tulsa)
Jim Calhoun (Northeastern)
Jerry Tarkanian (Long Beach State)
Billy Donovan (Marshall)
Todd Golden (San Francisco)
Dusty May (FAU)
Jay Wright (Hofstra)
John Calipari (UMass)
Jim Larranaga (George Mason)
Bruce Pearl (Milwaukee)

etc etc etc...

The list is literally endless for mid-major coaches who have been winners at their schools, then made final fours/won championships at a power school.

Hodgson and Schertz are PROVEN winners

I'm OK with bringing Billy Donovan to The Dome.

 

[Blanko97]

So are Gerry and Hop then

Gerry maybe, Hop is not a winner his career win % is barely over .500