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[OrangeXtreme]

Now, that's creative thinking. Too bad Turning Stone is so far away. Maybe Onondaga Nation could emulate Oneida Nation and do something in Syracuse. I have no idea where there would be enough property for it ... or how Onondaga Nation could come up with the needed upfront resources... but too bad this was not thought of before Turning Stone was built.

Never happen. The Onondagas are 100% traditional. They want nothing to do with gambling or commerce.

 

[dollarbill44]

Pretty sure the Oneida Indian Nation can't build anything on Onondaga territory.

Unless you want the new stadium about 35 miles away from campus.

Then we would be UConn.

I think he probably meant partner with the Onondagas and build on their territory. It might help with crowds, but I don't think it's as easy as the Onondagas just building a casino. There is a little bit of permitting that has to go on there.

 

[OrangeChris]

As an alum, I am adamantly opposed to an off-campus stadium. With the exception of the period in which the Dome was being built, we've played in close to that exact spot for 108 years. It's where I went to games as a student, it's where my father went to games as a student, it's where my grandfather went to games as a student, and it's where the next & current generation of students go to games. It's literally "Quad adjacent." That's every other college in America's DREAM location for their football stadium. College football should be played on-campus. Period. I'm not in favor of throwing that all away so somebody can shave a few minutes off their commute to Liverpool. If people are so hot to build a new arena, build the Crunch one. They actually need one, and don't represent a university, its students, or alumni.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

As an alum, I am adamantly opposed to an off-campus stadium. With the exception of the period in which the Dome was being built, we've played in close to that exact spot for 108 years. It's where I went to games as a student, it's where my father went to games as a student, it's where my grandfather went to games as a student, and it's where the next & current generation of students go to games. It's literally "Quad adjacent." That's every other college in America's DREAM location for their football stadium. College football should be played on-campus. Period. I'm not in favor of throwing that all away so somebody can shave a few minutes off their commute to Liverpool. If people are so hot to build a new arena, build the Crunch one. They actually need one, and don't represent a university, its students, or alumni.

Where are you going to park? Every year another parking lot near the Dome gets eliminated. Half the Quad parking was taken away last year. The Henry and Raynor lots are gone. Next year ESF starts building on the Standart lot. It's only a matter of time before all the lots West of the Dome are gobbled up.

You do realize that most of the people who attend games aren't students who live a 5 minute walk away. You want Alumni and Locals to keep purchasing tickets every year? Tell us where to park.

Because the next time you and your father and grandfather attend Homecoming Weekend, you'll be parking 5 miles away from campus and waiting for a shuttle bus. Along with 45,000 other people.

 

[OttoMets]

As an alum, I am adamantly opposed to an off-campus stadium. With the exception of the period in which the Dome was being built, we've played in close to that exact spot for 108 years. It's where I went to games as a student, it's where my father went to games as a student, it's where my grandfather went to games as a student, and it's where the next & current generation of students go to games. It's literally "Quad adjacent." That's every other college in America's DREAM location for their football stadium. College football should be played on-campus. Period. I'm not in favor of throwing that all away so somebody can shave a few minutes off their commute to Liverpool. If people are so hot to build a new arena, build the Crunch one. They actually need one, and don't represent a university, its students, or alumni.

Yes, yes, and yes.

 

[Jake]

As an alum, I am adamantly opposed to an off-campus stadium. With the exception of the period in which the Dome was being built, we've played in close to that exact spot for 108 years. It's where I went to games as a student, it's where my father went to games as a student, it's where my grandfather went to games as a student, and it's where the next & current generation of students go to games. It's literally "Quad adjacent." That's every other college in America's DREAM location for their football stadium. College football should be played on-campus. Period. I'm not in favor of throwing that all away so somebody can shave a few minutes off their commute to Liverpool. If people are so hot to build a new arena, build the Crunch one. They actually need one, and don't represent a university, its students, or alumni.

I understand your perspective, but Syracuse is a smaller private institution. We are not a big land grant state school. You're not getting 35k out of town alumni each weekend. If you want fans, you need to attract the local community. And that means making it attractive to non alumni.

The biggest issue I have with some graduates is they fail to acknowledge the name Syracuse on the jersey isn't just the schools name, it's the communitys name as well.

/offsoapbox

 

[OttoMets]

Where are you going to park? Every year another parking lot near the Dome gets eliminated. Half the Quad parking was taken away last year. The Henry and Raynor lots are gone. Next year ESF starts building on the Standart lot. It's only a matter of time before all the lots West of the Dome are gobbled up.

You do realize that most of the people who attend games aren't students who live a 5 minute walk away. You want Alumni and Locals to keep purchasing tickets every year? Tell us where to park.

Because the next time you and your father and grandfather attend Homecoming Weekend, you'll be parking 5 miles away from campus and waiting for a shuttle bus. Along with 45,000 other people.

For probably the thousandth time, the university is not losing any parking spaces in the long-term. They're committed to having a certain number of spots on West Campus, and that number is no lower than the number that existed before the recent construction started.

People everywhere on the planet manage to access large events that have much less parking than the Dome does. The fine denizens of the northern suburbs of Syracuse should be able to do the same.

 

[OttoMets]

I understand your perspective, but Syracuse is a smaller private institution. We are not a big land grant state school. You're not getting 35k out of town alumni each weekend. If you want fans, you need to attract the local community. And that means making it attractive to non alumni.

The biggest issue I have with some graduates is they fail to acknowledge the name Syracuse on the jersey isn't just the schools name, it's the communitys name as well.

/offsoapbox

I'd argue that that status as a smaller private school makes it more important to cultivate the campus gameday atmosphere. We probably haven't done a great job of that, but that opportunity exists. Move the stadium to the Fairgrounds or Skytop and it's just another minor-league sports experience. Like Rutgers and UConn.

It's good that SU has embraced its community, though. Replacing the cheesy "SU" logo of 2004 with the block S might seem like empty symbolism, but the sports programs are the community's teams and should be labeled as such. I don't think moving the stadium would be a positive step in reinforcing that connection, though.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

For probably the thousandth time, the university is not losing any parking spaces in the long-term. They're committed to having a certain number of spots on West Campus, and that number is no lower than the number that existed before the recent construction started.

People everywhere on the planet manage to access large events that have much less parking than the Dome does. The fine denizens of the northern suburbs of Syracuse should be able to do the same.

There isn't enough on-campus parking now. So you're saying that SU is committed to the same inadequacies in the long term.

 

[Jake]

For probably the thousandth time, the university is not losing any parking spaces in the long-term. They're committed to having a certain number of spots on West Campus, and that number is no lower than the number that existed before the recent construction started.

People everywhere on the planet manage to access large events that have much less parking than the Dome does. The fine denizens of the northern suburbs of Syracuse should be able to do the same.

Parking spaces does not equal game tailgating atmosphere. This is an epic fail from a planning perspective.

 

[OttoMets]

There isn't enough on-campus parking now. So you're saying that SU is committed to the same inadequacies in the long term.

What do you mean by "there isn't enough on-campus parking now"? I mean, there's a lot of excess capacity. This doesn't seem to jibe with anything one sees in the parking facilities.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'd argue that that status as a smaller private school makes it more important to cultivate the campus gameday atmosphere. We probably haven't done a great job of that, but that opportunity exists. Move the stadium to the Fairgrounds or Skytop and it's just another minor-league sports experience. Like Rutgers and UConn.

Most of the people who purchase tickets are locals who could care less about the "on campus" experience. They're not interested in making a college football game a 12 hour experience.

You want to sell more tickets? Make the experience more customer friendly, not less.

Don't drive away 5,000 locals to keep 500 Alumni happy.

 

[Rocco]

All for it but downtown ain't the place.

If and when they build a new stadium, please please please have tailgating in mind...

 

[OttoMets]

Parking spaces does not equal game tailgating atmosphere. This is an epic fail from a planning perspective.

No, they don't. It's always surprising to see people tailgating in garages; that doesn't look very fun.

But parking spaces and tailgating aren't necessarily tied at the hip. A lot of schools have divorced the two (think of Ole Miss, or my favorite example, Texas A&M). It's reasonable - and enjoyable - to drop off tailgating things at a place like the Quad or Hendricks Field, stow the car in a nearby garage, and return for a great day of tailgating.

People don't seem to like change, but we don't need to be resistant to this idea. It's a big hit at other major football schools and allows for a more efficient (no need to use/waste thousands of surface-level square feet on automobile storage) and very fun atmosphere.

 

[OttoMets]

Most of the people who purchase tickets are locals who could care less about the "on campus" experience. ...

I don't know that that is true; either way, it sounds pretty arrogant and generally unpleasant.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

What do you mean by "there isn't enough on-campus parking now"? I mean, there's a lot of excess capacity. This doesn't seem to jibe with anything one sees in the parking facilities.

There are enough parking spaces on campus to handle a crowd up to approx 15,000. Anytime the Dome expects a bigger crowd, off-campus lots at Manley and Skytop have to be used, and that involves shuttle bus service.

If more than half of a typical football crowd can't park anywhere near the campus, does that sound like excess capacity to you?

 

[OrangeChris]

You do realize that most of the people who attend games aren't students who live a 5 minute walk away. You want Alumni and Locals to keep purchasing tickets every year? Tell us where to park.

You're more than welcome to park with us on University Ave. Been parking & tailgating there for years. Always empty spots in both the private & University owned lots. There's even a giant parking garage, and free parking on side streets (my buddies parked for free last night). We have GREAT tailgating too. Plus, you're right near Marshall Street if you want to celebrate a big win.

That's too bad if your normal lot has had problems this season, but there are a lot of other great lots you might want to explore. Stop by ours for the Louisville game and you can enjoy a chicken wing brat & whiskey cider with us!

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I don't know that that is true; either way, it sounds pretty arrogant and generally unpleasant.

Most of the people who attend SU games are NOT students, alumni, or parents.

They're just local residents who want to see a football game. If you can't provide them with a fan friendly atmosphere, they'll just stay home.

 

[OttoMets]

You're more than welcome to park with us on University Ave. Been parking & tailgating there for []years[/i]. Always empty spots in both the private & University owned lots. There's even a giant parking garage, and free parking on side streets (my buddies parked for free last night). We have GREAT tailgating too. Plus, you're right near Marshall Street if you want to celebrate a big win.

That's too bad if your normal lot has had problems this season, but there are a lot of other great lots you might want to explore. Stop by ours for the Louisville game and you can enjoy a chicken wing brat & whiskey cider with us!

This. There are unsold spots at university-owned garages and lots. I'd call that excess capacity.

And we could see more availability if the university ever moves to a more progressive transportation management policy and starts charging market rates to employees and (especially) students.

 

[OttoMets]

Most of the people who attend SU games are NOT students, alumni, or parents.

They're just local residents who want to see a football game. If you can't provide them with a fan friendly atmosphere, they'll just stay home.

I don't know what that has to do with the price of tea in China.

You're going to a college football game, it's fun to do it on a college campus. It's not minor-league baseball.

 

[rrlbees]

$100 million would be cheap.

For a retractable roof?

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[rrlbees]

Most of the people who purchase tickets are locals who could care less about the "on campus" experience. They're not interested in making a college football game a 12 hour experience.

You want to sell more tickets? Make the experience more customer friendly, not less.

Don't drive away 5,000 locals to keep 500 Alumni happy.

Truer than people think.

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[rrlbees]

Except that whole area is prime real estate for academic buildings and dorms which it will all be eventually. Most of the people in the Dome are locals anyways and we don't care where it is as long as it is a solid environment. Why cater to the few that attend the occasional game?

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[rrlbees]

Try 5X that, minimum.

He's talking about a retractable roof on the current Dome. You and OPA are talking completely new stadium.

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[OrangeChris]

Don't drive away 5,000 locals to keep 500 Alumni happy.

I'd like to think that there's a way to make both happy (and I honestly think the answer is simply a winning team). However, the two groups aren't mutually exclusive. There are plenty of people in CNY that also graduated from S.U. These aren't completely separate groups that are somehow at odds with one another. Let's not kid ourselves about who's going to foot the bill for this thing though. The university can't dip into its endowment to pay for a completely unnecessary football stadium and the city is on the verge of bankruptcy. Where's the money going to come from? The university is going to ask the alumni to pay, just like they always do, and while we were perfectly happy to write a check to renovate Manley or other football facilities, we simply will not contribute to this.