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[SmilinBob]

I love having the games on campus but parking/long walks are an issue. I'd just build a very tall parking garage(s) near the dome.

As for having an open roof/retractable I say embrace what we have and continue to be unique. Instead of smoke when the players enter the field we should have snow.

 

[Oakland]

Most years, football is not being played that late into the fall. This year, for example, the Louisville game is the only game being played in November.

People have been going to games in Green Bay in JANUARY for generations. I think games in Syracuse in OCTOBER and NOVEMBER are manageable.

In the ACC, no game would be played on campus after Thanksgiving weekend. That is not the dead of winter.

Gobal warming could make this a moot agrument.

 

[mountaincuse]

Gobal warming could make this a moot agrument.

Or winning - I'd prefer winning

 

[orangeinjersey]

If they build anything, it needs to have a roof, becuase it would need to house the basketball team as well. That being said, not taking into account financing (HUGE OBSTACLE) They need to build something on a smaller scale to what UNLV is building, a domed multiuse facility that can accomodate ANY sporting due to its mechanical movable seating bowl configration

In a basketball configration, the northern endzone in this pic, slides down to connect to the southern endzone. Make it 40k capacity, and we are golden.

Find a sponsor for naming rights, call it the Nike Events center for all I care, make us Oregon East. Does Pepsi need another dome? Perhaps Coke? The Facebook Center, Apple Arena Who the cares what name is on the building as long as their checks cash.

Make it happen TGD!!

 

[Bayside44]

If they build anything, it needs to have a roof, becuase it would need to house the basketball team as well. That being said, not taking into account financing (HUGE OBSTACLE) They need to build something on a smaller scale to what UNLV is building, a domed multiuse facility that can accomodate ANY sporting due to its mechanical movable seating bowl configration

In a basketball configration, the northern endzone in this pic, slides down to connect to the southern endzone. Make it 40k capacity, and we are golden.

Find a sponsor for naming rights, call it the Nike Events center for all I care, make us Oregon East. Does Pepsi need another dome? Perhaps Coke? The Facebook Center, Apple Arena Who the cares what name is on the building as long as their checks cash.

Make it happen TGD!!

The Washington Nationals are a ten minute walk from the Capitol and haven't secured naming rights to that stadium. So this would be infinitely harder.

We have what we have, and are VERY fortunate to have it.

 

[Eric15]

Tell us where to park.

Because the next time you and your father and grandfather attend Homecoming Weekend, you'll be parking 5 miles away from campus and waiting for a shuttle bus. Along with 45,000 other people.

My friends and I (they go to every game, I live in Maryland and come up for a couple games per year) park and tailgate in the lot across the street from the HSBC Bank on E. Adams Street. It could not possibly be any more convenient. Quick on and off from Rt. 81, and a 10 minute walk to the Dome. There are always plenty of spots available, and the lot eventually fills up and is a very lively and festive tailgating atmosphere. If you have to use the bathroom, Marshall Square Mall is right across the street.

I have been to probably 12-15 other college football venues in my life, and there is nothing more convenient than this in terms of cost of parking and efficient in and out.

 

[Eric15]

I'll be 30 next month, and I truly hope I can take my grandkids to the Dome.

 

[All4SU]

I'll be 30 next month, and I truly hope I can take my grandkids to the Dome.

Not impossible. If you had a kid when you were 15, and they had a kid when they are 15, you could be toddling up to the Dome with a Grandkid next year!

 

[Shenexon]

How about covering the inside of the dome roof with video panels and projecting video of the sky. Then pump in cold/warm air to match the view and have an irrigation system to sprinkle just enough water or simulated snow to make it feel real. Kind of like one of the shows at Disney World. Maybe they could even make the seating rock back and forth when there is a big hit. That whole system should be cheaper than a retractable roof.

Bright sunny skies when we have the ball and storm clouds with lightning when they have the ball? Can we add other effects as desired or scripted? I envision a snow squall when they're kicking long field goals complete with swirling winds.

 

[Eric15]

Not impossible. If you had a kid when you were 15, and they had a kid when they are 15, you could be toddling up to the Dome with a Grandkid next year!

LOL - and then I can go on Maury Povich and take a paternity test.

 

[OttoMets]

Most years, football is not being played that late into the fall. This year, for example, the Louisville game is the only game being played in November.

People have been going to games in Green Bay in JANUARY for generations. I think games in Syracuse in OCTOBER and NOVEMBER are manageable.

In the ACC, no game would be played on campus after Thanksgiving weekend. That is not the dead of winter.

But people who live in Wisconsin actually like the Packers and want to attend their games. Such is not the case in Central New York.

There are a ton of rough weather days in Syracuse in autumn, regardless of whether they're in November (when we usually play at least two home games - this season is highly unusual) or earlier. And it doesn't have to be the dead of winter to make sitting outside for three hours an unpleasant experience. Anything below fifty degrees with a little bit of precipitation and a huge portion of the fanbase won't want to attend an outdoor game.

 

[OttoMets]

The Washington Nationals are a ten minute walk from the Capitol and haven't secured naming rights to that stadium. So this would be infinitely harder.

We have what we have, and are VERY fortunate to have it.

That's fantastic; I was just about to post that example.

When a National League ballclub in America's healthiest economic city goes five years (and counting) without finding a favorable corporate partnership, my hopes aren't high for a private university in Syracuse.

There're a lot of Syracuse fans who don't realize how lucky we are to have the Dome. A once-in-a-lifetime financing opportunity came together in 1978; we got a fantastic icon of a facility and thirty years of (mostly) on-field success out of it. We'd be fortunate to keep that going.

 

[OttoMets]

My friends and I (they go to every game, I live in Maryland and come up for a couple games per year) park and tailgate in the lot across the street from the HSBC Bank on E. Adams Street. It could not possibly be any more convenient. Quick on and off from Rt. 81, and a 10 minute walk to the Dome. There are always plenty of spots available, and the lot eventually fills up and is a very lively and festive tailgating atmosphere. If you have to use the bathroom, Marshall Square Mall is right across the street.

I have been to probably 12-15 other college football venues in my life, and there is nothing more convenient than this in terms of cost of parking and efficient in and out.

I find it very difficult to believe that the parking complainers have been to major college football games at other schools.

If so, we wouldn't have these threads every three weeks.

 

[ElwoodJBlues]

Why bother building a new stadium? Do what they're doing at MSG, make changes over a 3-5 year period. During the offseason, improve entrance ways/improve the base for a retractable roof, the next year do your interior adjustments while putting in/testing the systems for the roof, the final year is when you spruce up the paint, drop the roof in, etc.

From some of the costs studies I've done, if you're talking about a parking garage, figure about $10,000 per parking spot. Therefore, if you build a parking structure with 500 spots, you're talking a $5 million price tag (at least). Depending on the university's resources, it might be easier to invest in a better transportation system from existing lots at Manley or skytop to increase parking capacity and promote ease of use.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Can we stop the "put a retractable roof on the Dome" nonsense once and for all?

1. The Dome exterior walls can NOT handle the weight of a retractable roof. You would have to build 4 new heavy exterior walls around the perimeter of the Dome to handle the weight. I'm not sure there's enough room between the Dome and Archbold Gym or between the Dome and Forrestry Drive to make this happen. I'm also not sure it's cost effective to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a 30 year old building.

2. The playing surface of the Dome was never built with rain or snow in mind. Unlike an outdoor field which is crowned, the Dome floor is completely flat, and there's no provisions for drainage. Unless you want puddles all over the field, the roof would have to be closed at the slightest hint of precipitation. Which means you might be able to have the roof open for 1 or 2 games in September, and maybe a few LAX games in April.

Is it really worth it?

 

[rrlbees]

There is hardly a parking problem with the Dome. I am from Columbus. From some Buckeye tailgates, I have walked 2 miles from the tailgate to the game. I know that is a bit extreme but there are hordes of people nationwide walking serious distances to get to the gate for a ballgame. There seems to be plenty of parking in the area around the university. Just park there and suck it up.

Als0, regarding an outdoor stadium - so what if it rains/snows??? One - there is one November game this year. And its not like Cuse is going to be playing playoff football in January like the NFL. I think an outdoor stadium would be marvelous up here in the Fall.

Were you a season ticket holder at OSU?

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[Jake]

There is really much simpler reason why an open air stadium isn't an option. You can't play hoops in one- any stadium we build will have to be used for hoops- because the only reason to build a stadium is to raze the dome for academic use.

 

[rrlbees]

No...parents are though. So I guess by proxy?

I asked because I was wondering if season ticket holders who also pay for a parking pass have to walk 2 miles.

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[rrlbees]

Surprised that a season ticket holder has to walk 2 miles and lark on a street. Don't they have lots for season ticket holders or at least those that donate to the program like many SU fans do? I've only been there once many years ago and they seemed to have close lots for season ticket holders.

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[CU44SE]

Why does it have to be used for both. Is that just a code the University has said must be followed? (I'm a newbie to this discussion.)

I highly doubt we leave the Dome any time soon. Recently Gross has spent a lot of money on upgrades. Right now we don't have enough money to build a football practice facility, where would we get the funds to build a brand new stadium? Now to your point on the joint complex. Like I said Im not sure the University can even afford a football stadium, but there is absolutely no way they could afford a basketball and football stadium. For example the Yum Center (Louisville's new stadium) cost 238 million dollars to build and Minnesota who just built a new stadium thats roughly the same size as the dome cost 303 million. Add inflation and other hidden costs and your now over 600 million dollars for the two facilities.

 

[Moontan]

Most years, football is not being played that late into the fall. This year, for example, the Louisville game is the only game being played in November.

The way that most here interpret the new ACC TV deal, every other year there will be a home game on the Friday night following Thanksgiving. That's Nov. 22-28. Is that "late enough in the fall" for you?

Were you at last year's USF game by any chance? That was "only" November 11th. Just to remind you, it was cold, wet and windy. Had that been played outdoors it would've made Tulane's home "crowds" look fantastic. Oh, and by the way, there was another home game played 2 weeks later.

An outdoor-only football stadium could spell the end of Syracuse football (let's just assume that the program rebounds before then). Yes, I know they just built such a stadium in Minnesota. Good luck to them.

 

[Bayside44]

Surprised that a season ticket holder has to walk 2 miles and lark on a street. Don't they have lots for season ticket holders or at least those that donate to the program like many SU fans do? I've only been there once many years ago and they seemed to have close lots for season ticket holders.

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They have 100,000 season ticket holders.

 

[OttoMets]

Why bother building a new stadium? Do what they're doing at MSG, make changes over a 3-5 year period. During the offseason, improve entrance ways/improve the base for a retractable roof, the next year do your interior adjustments while putting in/testing the systems for the roof, the final year is when you spruce up the paint, drop the roof in, etc.

From some of the costs studies I've done, if you're talking about a parking garage, figure about $10,000 per parking spot. Therefore, if you build a parking structure with 500 spots, you're talking a $5 million price tag (at least). Depending on the university's resources, it might be easier to invest in a better transportation system from existing lots at Manley or skytop to increase parking capacity and promote ease of use.

I agree with almost all of this, but on work I've done, structured parking is more like a $40 or $50,000 per spot investment (have to factor in financing).

It's very likely that investing in mass transit would get more bang for the buck. Need to put some pressure on local leaders and get OnTrack service restored.

Also, not sure how feasible a retractable roof is. I'd peel off the roof, build expansions on the north and west sides of the building, and replace the fixed roof as cheaply as possible.

 

[OttoMets]

Can we stop the "put a retractable roof on the Dome" nonsense once and for all?

1. The Dome exterior walls can NOT handle the weight of a retractable roof. You would have to build 4 new heavy exterior walls around the perimeter of the Dome to handle the weight. I'm not sure there's enough room between the Dome and Archbold Gym or between the Dome and Forrestry Drive to make this happen. I'm also not sure it's cost effective to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a 30 year old building.

2. The playing surface of the Dome was never built with rain or snow in mind. Unlike an outdoor field which is crowned, the Dome floor is completely flat, and there's no provisions for drainage. Unless you want puddles all over the field, the roof would have to be closed at the slightest hint of precipitation. Which means you might be able to have the roof open for 1 or 2 games in September, and maybe a few LAX games in April.

Is it really worth it?

Correct on both counts. And there's no room on the Forestry Drive side; when SU expanded the elevators east of stadium control, they had to encroach on the right-of-way. There's only about ten feet between the wall and the curb.

 

[OttoMets]

It is on a tier system. It essentially goes by donors. But yes, many season ticket holders need to walk quite a distance. My family lives 2 miles from the stadium in Upper Arlington, so I walk from home and avoid the parking issue. But our street is full by about 9am on a gameday of cars that are parking and walking to the game. Or dropping off tailgating goods at a close point and then sending one spry soul to park while the others prepare to reward his Long March with culinary greatness.

This is the way to do it.